can christians NOT be nudists

[walk the talk]

I think it is fun to watch those who can not defend their position with anything more than what they have become accustomed to. They have lots of straw.

I agree, good point

 

[peternat]

When the Scriptures are studied thoroughly - all the word related to nakedness, naked, nudity in the original language and context - you can come to the following conclusion:

Nakedness doesn't equate sin - just as being clothed doesn't equate being sinless.

Sin is sin whether being naked or clothed. Murder is murder being naked or clothed. Lust is lust being naked or clothed. Adultery is adultery being naked or clothed. Fornication is fornication being naked or clothed. Swinging is swinging being naked or clothed. Jealousy is jealousy being naked or clothed. Hatred is hatred being naked or clothed. Disobedience to God is disobedience to God being naked or clothed. So you can carry on. Sin is sin being naked or clothed.

Sin is only sin when defined by the word of God, not by the interpretations of men.

Being naked in itself isn't a sin.

For more info have a look at my blog
http://naturisminsouthafrica.blogspot.co.uk/
http://naturistchristian.wordpress.com/

Not here to judge, just to express my view.
Have a good day
Peter

 

[walk the talk]

When the Scriptures are studied thoroughly - all the word related to nakedness, naked, nudity in the original language and context - you can come to the following conclusion:

Nakedness doesn't equate sin - just as being clothed doesn't equate being sinless.

Sin is sin whether being naked or clothed. Murder is murder being naked or clothed. Lust is lust being naked or clothed. Adultery is adultery being naked or clothed. Fornication is fornication being naked or clothed. Swinging is swinging being naked or clothed. Jealousy is jealousy being naked or clothed. Hatred is hatred being naked or clothed. Disobedience to God is disobedience to God being naked or clothed. So you can carry on. Sin is sin being naked or clothed.

Sin is only sin when defined by the word of God, not by the interpretations of men.

Being naked in itself isn't a sin.

For more info have a look at my blog
http://naturisminsouthafrica.blogspot.co.uk/
http://naturistchristian.wordpress.com/

Not here to judge, just to express my view.
Have a good day
Peter

WOW Peter what a great explanation. I am speechless. There is nothing else to add.

Merry Christmas and God bless you

 

[Mister_Al]

Luke 8:26-35 Amplified Bible (AMP)

26 Then they came to the country of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee.

27 Now when Jesus stepped out on land, there met Him a certain man out of the town who had [was possessed by] demons. For a long time he had worn no clothes, and he lived not in a house but in the tombs.

28 And when he saw Jesus, he raised a deep (terrible) cry [from the depths of his throat] and fell down before Him [in terror] and shouted loudly, What have You [to do] with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? [[a]What have we in common?] I beg You, do not torment me!

29 For Jesus was already commanding the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For many times it had snatched and held him; he was kept under guard and bound with chains and fetters, but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the wilderness (desert).

30 Jesus then asked him, What is your name? And he answered, Legion; for many demons had entered him.

31 And they begged [Jesus] not to command them to depart into the Abyss (bottomless pit).

32 Now a great herd of swine was there feeding on the hillside; and [the demons] begged Him to give them leave to enter these. And He allowed them [to do so].

33 Then the demons came out of the man and entered into the swine, and the herd rushed down the steep cliff into the lake and were drowned.

34 When the herdsmen saw what had happened, they ran away and told it in the town and in the country.

35 And [people] went out to see what had occurred, and they came to Jesus and found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed and in his right (sound) mind; and they were seized with alarm and fear.


Man WITH demons was running around NUDE. Man after demons were CAST OUT was at the feet of Jesus FULLY CLOTHED.

Enough said.

Alan

 

[toramei]

Clothed in righteousness.In the beginning GOD created nudity and saw that it was good.Nudity is not evil what man does with it . Creates the evil if he so chooses.Free will we have.Are we listening to GOD or ?

 

[walk the talk]

Luke 8:26-35 Amplified Bible (AMP)

26 Then they came to the country of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee.

27 Now when Jesus stepped out on land, there met Him a certain man out of the town who had [was possessed by] demons. For a long time he had worn no clothes, and he lived not in a house but in the tombs.

28 And when he saw Jesus, he raised a deep (terrible) cry [from the depths of his throat] and fell down before Him [in terror] and shouted loudly, What have You [to do] with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? [[a]What have we in common?] I beg You, do not torment me!

29 For Jesus was already commanding the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For many times it had snatched and held him; he was kept under guard and bound with chains and fetters, but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the wilderness (desert).

30 Jesus then asked him, What is your name? And he answered, Legion; for many demons had entered him.

31 And they begged [Jesus] not to command them to depart into the Abyss (bottomless pit).

32 Now a great herd of swine was there feeding on the hillside; and [the demons] begged Him to give them leave to enter these. And He allowed them [to do so].

33 Then the demons came out of the man and entered into the swine, and the herd rushed down the steep cliff into the lake and were drowned.

34 When the herdsmen saw what had happened, they ran away and told it in the town and in the country.

35 And [people] went out to see what had occurred, and they came to Jesus and found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed and in his right (sound) mind; and they were seized with alarm and fear.


Man WITH demons was running around NUDE. Man after demons were CAST OUT was at the feet of Jesus FULLY CLOTHED.

Enough said.

Alan

Jesus himself was socially naked on a regular basis for bathing. Society back then had no concept of Shame when naked to the extent we have gone in our generation. Your very narrow minded opinion that people are out of their minds to be socially nude using one example of one man's experience is ubserd. It is like saying Jesus bathed nude with his friends along with other men, women and children and therefore he was also out of his mind.

Enough said

 

[Mister_Al]

Jesus himself was socially naked on a regular basis for bathing. Society back then had no concept of Shame when naked to the extent we have gone in our generation. Your very narrow minded opinion that people are out of their minds to be socially nude using one example of one man's experience is ubserd. It is like saying Jesus bathed nude with his friends along with other men, women and children and therefore he was also out of his mind.

Enough said

Please quote me a scripture that says that Jesus bathed naked openly amongst a crowd of people. You people just ASSUME that Jesus did this. Why can't you ASSUME that He bathed privately away from others since there is no proof otherwise. I don't remember the Bible saying much about the hygiene practices of the Lord, with the exception of His feet being washed or Him washing the disciples feet. And to say that people back then had no morality or concept of shame in regard to nudity is also a wrong assumption. People back then were just as chaste as today if not more so. Again you ASSUME too much.

 

[Mister_Al]

Clothed in righteousness.In the beginning GOD created nudity and saw that it was good.Nudity is not evil what man does with it . Creates the evil if he so chooses.Free will we have.Are we listening to GOD or ?

In the beginning God did not create nudity, He created man and woman and every other thing that exists. Man and woman were innocent of sin and had no concept of nudity (they didn't know any different). But, when they broke God's command and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil their eyes were opened and they were ashamed in their nakedness and tried to cover themselves with leaves. Later God killed a couple of animals and MADE THEM BOTH CLOTHES to cover themselves. I would have to say that God created clothes before I'd say that He created nudity.

Alan

 

[walk the talk]

Please quote me a scripture that says that Jesus bathed naked openly amongst a crowd of people. You people just ASSUME that Jesus did this. Why can't you ASSUME that He bathed privately away from others since there is no proof otherwise. I don't remember the Bible saying much about the hygiene practices of the Lord, with the exception of His feet being washed or Him washing the disciples feet. And to say that people back then had no morality or concept of shame in regard to nudity is also a wrong assumption. People back then were just as chaste as today if not more so. Again you ASSUME too much.

It is history man, where else would he bathe? Even royalty bathed in the local bathing hole. Just read the story of Moses. You guys are so focused on your ideas you don't have any room for common sense.

 

[Inkfingers]

When, outside of pre-fall Eden, does the Bible speak of nudity as anything but shameful?

Never.

Outside of pre-fall Eden, the Bible invariably describes nudity as shameful or as part of a shameful context.

"He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent" (Gen 9:21)

"And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.’" (Exo 20:26)

"Your nakedness shall be uncovered, and your disgrace shall be seen" (Isa 47:3)

"When Jesushttp://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke 8.27#footnote0 had stepped out on land, there met him a man from the city who had demons. For a long time he had worn no clothes, and he had not lived in a house http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke 8.27#footnote1but among the tombs" (Luke 8:27)

"For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, ublind, and naked" (Rev 3:17)

The only possible place where it is acceptable is in private between a husband and wife.

 

[Mister_Al]

It is history man, where else would he bathe? Even royalty bathed in the local bathing hole. Just read the story of Moses. You guys are so focused on your ideas you don't have any room for common sense.

What makes you think The disciples didn't stand guard over Jesus while He was bathing to protect His privacy. Do you think that the son of God couldn't arrange for a little private time to cleanse His body? I do have enough common sense to believe that He who came to save the world could arrange for a bath in private.

Alan

 

[walk the talk]

When, outside of pre-fall Eden, does the Bible speak of nudity as anything but shameful?

Never.

Outside of pre-fall Eden, the Bible invariably describes nudity as shameful or as part of a shameful context.

"He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent" (Gen 9:21)

"And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.’" (Exo 20:26)

"Your nakedness shall be uncovered, and your disgrace shall be seen" (Isa 47:3)

"When Jesushttp://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke 8.27#footnote0 had stepped out on land, there met him a man from the city who had demons. For a long time he had worn no clothes, and he had not lived in a house http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke 8.27#footnote1but among the tombs" (Luke 8:27)

"For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, ublind, and naked" (Rev 3:17)

The only possible place where it is acceptable is in private between a husband and wife.

Hello,

You have given examples of where it was inappropriate to be nude in the bible. The point you are missing and again because you are so focused on your own ideas that social nudity is wrong that you miss the so obvious truth. It is staring you right in the eye. That is the point that in the bible times socially acceptable nudity was far different than it is today. History will show you also parts of the bible as I have also hinted. Social nudity was practiced regularly by everyone. I would assume that everyone bathed????? This would be a typical situation I could think of just off the top of my head. A conversation between Jesus and his deciples. Hey Jesus are you going bathing this morning? Yes, do you want to join me friends? Sure Jesus, it probably isn't so busy this early in the morning with all the kids splashing about causing a ruckus.

 

[Mister_Al]

Hello,

You have given examples of where it was inappropriate to be nude in the bible. The point you are missing and again because you are so focused on your own ideas that social nudity is wrong that you miss the so obvious truth. It is staring you right in the eye. That is the point that in the bible times socially acceptable nudity was far different than it is today. History will show you also parts of the bible as I have also hinted. Social nudity was practiced regularly by everyone. I would assume that everyone bathed????? This would be a typical situation I could think of just off the top of my head. A conversation between Jesus and his deciples. Hey Jesus are you going bathing this morning? Yes, do you want to join me friends? Sure Jesus, it probably isn't so busy this early in the morning with all the kids splashing about causing a ruckus.

Nudity could have very well been socially acceptable in PAGAN societies, but we are debating about Christians being nudists. Also, the culture back then wasn't without private baths. You seem to envision a small spring where hundreds of people gathered daily to strip naked and frolic in the water. And I have my doubts that Jesus walked around to every disciple asking for someone to please take a bath with Him. Bathing wasn't a time to party down for the people as you would liken it to be. Actually I believe bathing wasn't done very often and was easily done privately.

 

[walk the talk]

Nudity could have very well been socially acceptable in PAGAN societies, but we are debating about Christians being nudists. Also, the culture back then wasn't without private baths. You seem to envision a small spring where hundreds of people gathered daily to strip naked and frolic in the water. And I have my doubts that Jesus walked around to every disciple asking for someone to please take a bath with Him. Bathing wasn't a time to party down for the people as you would liken it to be. Actually I believe bathing wasn't done very often and was easily done privately.

Very funny, you make me laugh, so you are saying that Jesus was a pagan??? In those days it was either naked in a public bath which was very rare or naked in the local bathing spot? I would choose the local bathing spot any day. And yes kids liked to have fun then as they do now swimming accept back then bathing suits didn't exist, regardless of how you feel and why. I am sorry but People with bathing suits would have been ridiculed and laughed at. It just wouldn't fit in that time.

 

[dayhiker]

Scriptures that talk about being naked and God not having a problem with it:

David dances almost naked before the Lord:
2 Sam.6:20When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!” 21David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”
23And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

Isaiah is told to to around naked by God and did so for 3 years!

Isa.20:1In the year that the supreme commander, sent by Sargon king of Assyria, came to Ashdod and attacked and captured it— 2at that time the Lord spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, “Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet.” And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot.
3Then the Lord said, “Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,a 4so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt’s shame. 5Those who trusted in Cush and boasted in Egypt will be dismayed and put to shame. 6In that day the people who live on this coast will say, ‘See what has happened to those we relied on, those we fled to for help and deliverance from the king of Assyria! How then can we escape?’ ”

No where in the Bible does it say its wrong or sinful to be naked either alone or with other people.
The shame associated with being naked is wither the shame of sin, as Gen.3 or the shame of being conquered and carried away into slavery.

 

[walk the talk]

Scriptures that talk about being naked and God not having a problem with it:

David dances almost naked before the Lord:
2 Sam.6:20When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!” 21David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”
23And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

Isaiah is told to to around naked by God and did so for 3 years!

Isa.20:1In the year that the supreme commander, sent by Sargon king of Assyria, came to Ashdod and attacked and captured it— 2at that time the Lord spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, “Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet.” And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot.
3Then the Lord said, “Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,a 4so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt’s shame. 5Those who trusted in Cush and boasted in Egypt will be dismayed and put to shame. 6In that day the people who live on this coast will say, ‘See what has happened to those we relied on, those we fled to for help and deliverance from the king of Assyria! How then can we escape?’ ”

No where in the Bible does it say its wrong or sinful to be naked either alone or with other people.
The shame associated with being naked is wither the shame of sin, as Gen.3 or the shame of being conquered and carried away into slavery.

Amen brother, preach it. Thank God for the freedoms we have in Christ including being able to be socially nude.

 

[walk the talk]

I am going bathing at the local nudist club this evening and I thank God for being able to be friends with such a beautiful bunch of people including some fellow Christian brothers

 

[Mister_Al]

Scriptures that talk about being naked and God not having a problem with it:

David dances almost naked before the Lord:
2 Sam.6:20When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!” 21David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”
23And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

Isaiah is told to to around naked by God and did so for 3 years!

Isa.20:1In the year that the supreme commander, sent by Sargon king of Assyria, came to Ashdod and attacked and captured it— 2at that time the Lord spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, “Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet.” And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot.
3Then the Lord said, “Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,a 4so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt’s shame. 5Those who trusted in Cush and boasted in Egypt will be dismayed and put to shame. 6In that day the people who live on this coast will say, ‘See what has happened to those we relied on, those we fled to for help and deliverance from the king of Assyria! How then can we escape?’ ”

No where in the Bible does it say its wrong or sinful to be naked either alone or with other people.
The shame associated with being naked is wither the shame of sin, as Gen.3 or the shame of being conquered and carried away into slavery.

You're right about King David. He took off his shirt (he was HALF naked) and danced before the Lord. You can tell by how he was scorned for these actions that nudity was acceptable in his kingdom.

And about Isaiah going nude: It was a command of God to him for a prophetic sign against Egypt and Cush. You know, sort of like God sending a warning with visual effects. It in no way justifies Christians being nudists. In fact it shows that God knows how to get a point across. You'll notice that Isaiah didn't start any nudist camps or go around saying that he was proof that it's alright with God to go around naked because God told him to do it.

I see no evidence in these two examples that it's ok with the Lord to be a Christian nudist.

Alan

 

[Mister_Al]

I am going bathing at the local nudist club this evening and I thank God for being able to be friends with such a beautiful bunch of people including some fellow Christian brothers

I imagine that somewhere today some Christians will probable get drunk with their friends, and some will probably do drugs with their friends, and some may even commit crimes with their friends. But that doesn't mean God endorses their actions just because they do these things with their friends.

Alan

 

[walk the talk]

I imagine that somewhere today some Christians will probable get drunk with their friends, and some will probably do drugs with their friends, and some may even commit crimes with their friends. But that doesn't mean God endorses their actions just because they do these things with their friends.

Alan

Hello again, it looks like I will have to repeat myself for you to take notice. Very funny, you make me laugh, so you are saying that Jesus was a pagan??? In those days it was either naked in a public bath which was very rare or naked in the local bathing spot? I would choose the local bathing spot any day. And yes kids liked to have fun then as they do now swimming accept back then bathing suits didn't exist, regardless of how you feel and why. I am sorry but People with bathing suits would have been ridiculed and laughed at. It just wouldn't fit in that time.