Can a Calendar Be Used Prior to the Time of Its Inception?

[Humble Penny]

You said in your original post:



So, no, unless you're moving the goalpost, the thread was started discussing, quoting you: "What calendar were the Jews using during the Life of Yeshua?" (Emphasis is yours).

I never limited it to man made calendars...that's your assumption.

 

[Humble Penny]

@RDKirk I believe if you take some time to read instead of giving knee jerk responses you'll get more out of this thread...or at the very least ask some questions for clarification...

 

[daq]

Don't be so simple minded...you clearly don't understand that there are different units of time and measurement...not all measures or units are equal to one another...

The 1000 Years = 1 Day is connected to the 7 Days of the Week, and why? Because God predetermined the world to exist for 7,000 Years. There are 6,000 Years of Work and 1,000 Years of Rest because God worked 6 Days and rested on the 7th Day.

Dear Humble reader, the belief which Humble Penny espouses in the above commentary is precisely why he has proclaimed that the Middle Ages never happened, and then proceeds to cut that period out of his history of the world, so that in his mind, his 7000 year theory remains possible.
What Exactly are the "Middle Ages"?

Please be advised that Humble Penny has also set a date for the return of the Meshiah in the year 530 AD, which according to his calculations has not yet happened because the world has not yet reached that date in history, (because he deleted the Middle Ages from his version of world history).
Summing Up My Work's Main Idea & Conclusion

 

[RDKirk]

I never limited it to man made calendars...that's your assumption.

Ah...moving the goalpost, then.

 

[Humble Penny]

Ah...moving the goalpost, then.

No, you missed it and simply never got the ball through.

 

[Humble Penny]

You said in your original post:



So, no, unless you're moving the goalpost, the thread was started discussing, quoting you: "What calendar were the Jews using during the Life of Yeshua?" (Emphasis is yours).

Ah...moving the goalpost, then.

In case you missed it from the end of my OP:

"[...]To answer this question more precisely we must trace time all the way back to Adam, and at this point we see that none of the nations existed along with the calendars which were created by them: therefore this means Adam only had one calendar he was following since God created the world and him.

So what calendar did God create and when did He create it?"

Otherwise please don't come into my threads or posts trying to wrangle with me when I never even spoke to you prior to you coming on here. I don't take kindly to bullies or people who like to assert their opinions on others.

Shalom

 

[Humble Penny]

Dear Humble reader, the belief which Humble Penny espouses in the above commentary is precisely why he has proclaimed that the Middle Ages never happened, and then proceeds to cut that period out of his history of the world, so that in his mind, his 7000 year theory remains possible.
What Exactly are the "Middle Ages"?

Please be advised that Humble Penny has also set a date for the return of the Meshiah in the year 530 AD, which according to his calculations has not yet happened because the world has not yet reached that date in history, (because he deleted the Middle Ages from his version of world history).
Summing Up My Work's Main Idea & Conclusion

Hey you know what daq? I was praying on the proper way to deal with you and after seeing this post I see you're just a hater of my work. So thank you!

Please keep adding fuel to the fire and exposing people to my work. You post this as if you're Sherlock Holmes and solved the world's greatest mystery lol!

 

[Humble Penny]

@daq it's been said:

"A man's real character is revealed when you see how much truth they can tolerate."

And after reviewing my interactions with you--and others who have responded to me in similar manner--it's clear that what you thought was the "truth" you were following isn't at all but falsehood. But trust me, give yourself time to adjust to the Light instead of fighting it and running back to the Darkness.

Shalom

 

[daq]

Hey you know what daq? I was praying on the proper way to deal with you and after seeing this post I see you're just a hater of my work. So thank you!

Please keep adding fuel to the fire and exposing people to my work. You post this as if you're Sherlock Holmes and solved the world's greatest mystery lol!

@daq it's been said:

"A man's real character is revealed when you see how much truth they can tolerate."

And after reviewing my interactions with you--and others who have responded to me in similar manner--it's clear that what you thought was the "truth" you were following isn't at all but falsehood. But trust me, give yourself time to adjust to the Light instead of fighting it and running back to the Darkness.

Shalom

Shabbat Shalom HP.
Here is a blessing for you, if you will receive it.

INCORRECT:

1Enoch 72:1 (1882)
1 The book of the courses of the luminaries of heaven, how it is with each one of them, as to their classes, their governments, and their times, as to their names and origin, and as to their months, which their leader Uriêl, a holy angel who was with me, showed to me, and their whole description as it is he showed to me, and how it is with respect to all the years of the world and to eternity, till a new creation is made which will continue to eternity.

INCORRECT:

1Enoch 72:1 (1912)
1 The book of the courses of the luminaries of the heaven, the relations of each, according to their classes, their dominion and their seasons, according to their names and places of origin, and according to their months, which Uriel, the holy angel, who was with me, who is their guide, showed me; and he showed me all their laws exactly as they are, and how it is with regard to all the years of the world and unto eternity, till the new creation is accomplished which dureth till eternity.

INCORRECT:

1Enoch 72:1 (1821)
1 The book of the revolutions of the luminaries of heaven, according to their respective classes, their respective powers, their respective periods, their respective names, the places where they commence their progress, and their respective months, which Uriel, the holy angel who was with me, explained to me; he who conducted them. The whole account of them, according to every year of the world for ever, until a new work shall be effected, which will be eternal.

CORRECT:

Sefer of the Luminaries 1:1-2
[01] Sefer of the revolution of the luminaries of the heaven: the relations of each, by their classes, their dominion, and their seasons, according to their names and origins, and according to their months, which their leader Uriel, the Holy Malak who was with me, showed me.
[02] And he showed me all their ordinances just as they are, and how it is with every year of the world unto alam: [olam, (the end of) the age] until a new creation is accomplished, [by way of the flood] which will endure into alam almaya [forever].

 

[Humble Penny]

Shabbat Shalom HP.
Here is a blessing for you, if you will receive it.

INCORRECT:

1Enoch 72:1 (1882)
1 The book of the courses of the luminaries of heaven, how it is with each one of them, as to their classes, their governments, and their times, as to their names and origin, and as to their months, which their leader Uriêl, a holy angel who was with me, showed to me, and their whole description as it is he showed to me, and how it is with respect to all the years of the world and to eternity, till a new creation is made which will continue to eternity.

INCORRECT:

1Enoch 72:1 (1912)
1 The book of the courses of the luminaries of the heaven, the relations of each, according to their classes, their dominion and their seasons, according to their names and places of origin, and according to their months, which Uriel, the holy angel, who was with me, who is their guide, showed me; and he showed me all their laws exactly as they are, and how it is with regard to all the years of the world and unto eternity, till the new creation is accomplished which dureth till eternity.

INCORRECT:

1Enoch 72:1 (1821)
1 The book of the revolutions of the luminaries of heaven, according to their respective classes, their respective powers, their respective periods, their respective names, the places where they commence their progress, and their respective months, which Uriel, the holy angel who was with me, explained to me; he who conducted them. The whole account of them, according to every year of the world for ever, until a new work shall be effected, which will be eternal.

CORRECT:

Sefer of the Luminaries 1:1-2
[01] Sefer of the revolution of the luminaries of the heaven: the relations of each, by their classes, their dominion, and their seasons, according to their names and origins, and according to their months, which their leader Uriel, the Holy Malak who was with me, showed me.
[02] And he showed me all their ordinances just as they are, and how it is with every year of the world unto alam: [olam, (the end of) the age] until a new creation is accomplished, [by way of the flood] which will endure into alam almaya [forever].

Not sure what that has to do with the topic of this thread but, don't forget to include all the passages in our current canon where YHWH says that His appointed times are to be observed forever. But you should leave your personal interpretations of Scripture out as the the text doesn't indicate what you're saying at all. We know the Flood didn't have an effect on the timekeeping or course of the luminaries as God was still able to count the days just fine and narrate them accurately to Moses who also recorded the Flood of Noah for us.

 

[daq]

Not sure what that has to do with the topic of this thread but, don't forget to include all the passages in our current canon where YHWH says that His appointed times are to be observed forever. But you should leave your personal interpretations of Scripture out as the the text doesn't indicate what you're saying at all. We know the Flood didn't have an effect on the timekeeping or course of the luminaries as God was still able to count the days just fine and narrate them accurately to Moses who also recorded the Flood of Noah for us.

I believe it is indeed related to the thread and entirely relevant concerning your version of the calendar which is essentially based on the Book of the Luminaries.

You cannot have an antediluvian pre-flood calendar that lasts forever, or into eternity, then have a new creation accomplished by way of the flood, and then after the flood have a second calendar that also lasts forever or into eternity.

And it isn't the text that is wrong but the English translations of it which are wrong as shown above by their own illogical contexts. And the reason they are wrong, besides the obvious contradiction they present right there in the context of their own translations, is because they do the same kind of mechanical renderings with the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures when it comes to both olam and aionos. It depends on context, usage, and forms: sometimes olam or aionos are merely meant as an age, as in the end of the age, and sometimes they mean forever, like into the ages of the ages.

Your 364-day calendar is the antediluvian pre-flood calendar from the days of Henok and the patriarchs before the flood and that text proves it.

It appears that what we are missing from Damascus, (a.k.a. Qumran), is the leap year calendar, if they had one. And I suspect they did, for they would not likely have read the passage I quoted above like modern scholarship now reads it. They would surely not have missed that statement or misunderstood it.

 

[Humble Penny]

I believe it is indeed related to the thread and entirely relevant concerning your version of the calendar which is essentially based on the Book of the Luminaries.

You cannot have an antediluvian pre-flood calendar that lasts forever, or into eternity, then have a new creation accomplished by way of the flood, and then after the flood have a second calendar that also lasts forever or into eternity.

And it isn't the text that is wrong but the English translations of it which are wrong as shown above by their own illogical contexts. And the reason they are wrong, besides the obvious contradiction they present right there in the context of their own translations, is because they do the same kind of mechanical renderings with the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures when it comes to both olam and aionos. It depends on context, usage, and forms: sometimes olam or aionos are merely meant as an age, as in the end of the age, and sometimes they mean forever, like into the ages of the ages.

Your 364-day calendar is the antediluvian pre-flood calendar from the days of Henok and the patriarchs before the flood and that text proves it.

It appears that what we are missing from Damascus, (a.k.a. Qumran), is the leap year calendar, if they had one. And I suspect they did, for they would not likely have read the passage I quoted above like modern scholarship now reads it. They would surely not have missed that statement or misunderstood it.

Before you keep replying ponder on this Proverb:

"Sensible people always think before they act, but stupid people advertise their ignorance."
Proverbs 13:16 GNTD

 

[Humble Penny]

I believe it is indeed related to the thread and entirely relevant concerning your version of the calendar which is essentially based on the Book of the Luminaries.

You cannot have an antediluvian pre-flood calendar that lasts forever, or into eternity, then have a new creation accomplished by way of the flood, and then after the flood have a second calendar that also lasts forever or into eternity.

And it isn't the text that is wrong but the English translations of it which are wrong as shown above by their own illogical contexts. And the reason they are wrong, besides the obvious contradiction they present right there in the context of their own translations, is because they do the same kind of mechanical renderings with the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures when it comes to both olam and aionos. It depends on context, usage, and forms: sometimes olam or aionos are merely meant as an age, as in the end of the age, and sometimes they mean forever, like into the ages of the ages.

Your 364-day calendar is the antediluvian pre-flood calendar from the days of Henok and the patriarchs before the flood and that text proves it.

It appears that what we are missing from Damascus, (a.k.a. Qumran), is the leap year calendar, if they had one. And I suspect they did, for they would not likely have read the passage I quoted above like modern scholarship now reads it. They would surely not have missed that statement or misunderstood it.

While you ponder on the Proverb in post #92 look at how your thoughts fulfill the foolish person described in it:

You don't believe in the calendar given to Enoch by God because you want to push a lunar calendar, or other non-biblical calendar. You then go on to say that the calendar created by God cannot last forever...but then believe that your non-biblical calendar does last forever? Be careful about putting the works of man above the works of God...

But I guess only time will tell if you are going to continue fulfilling the role of the fool in Proverbs 13:16.

 

[daq]

Before you keep replying ponder on this Proverb:

"Sensible people always think before they act, but stupid people advertise their ignorance."
Proverbs 13:16 GNTD

While you ponder on the Proverb in post #92 look at how your thoughts fulfill the foolish person described in it:

You don't believe in the calendar given to Enoch by God because you want to push a lunar calendar, or other non-biblical calendar. You then go on to say that the calendar created by God cannot last forever...but then believe that your non-biblical calendar does last forever? Be careful about putting the works of man above the works of God...

But I guess only time will tell if you are going to continue fulfilling the role of the fool in Proverbs 13:16.

The new thread topic is me? I'm flattered, but I must respectfully decline, Mr. Humble.

 

[Filippus]

I believe it is indeed related to the thread and entirely relevant concerning your version of the calendar which is essentially based on the Book of the Luminaries.

You cannot have an antediluvian pre-flood calendar that lasts forever, or into eternity, then have a new creation accomplished by way of the flood, and then after the flood have a second calendar that also lasts forever or into eternity.

And it isn't the text that is wrong but the English translations of it which are wrong as shown above by their own illogical contexts. And the reason they are wrong, besides the obvious contradiction they present right there in the context of their own translations, is because they do the same kind of mechanical renderings with the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures when it comes to both olam and aionos. It depends on context, usage, and forms: sometimes olam or aionos are merely meant as an age, as in the end of the age, and sometimes they mean forever, like into the ages of the ages.

Your 364-day calendar is the antediluvian pre-flood calendar from the days of Henok and the patriarchs before the flood and that text proves it.

It appears that what we are missing from Damascus, (a.k.a. Qumran), is the leap year calendar, if they had one. And I suspect they did, for they would not likely have read the passage I quoted above like modern scholarship now reads it. They would surely not have missed that statement or misunderstood it.

This is what is missing from the Enoch calendar, how it was corrected to the solar year.

So are you proposing a Lunar solar Calendar?

 

[Humble Penny]

This is what is missing from the Enoch calendar, how it was corrected to the solar year.

So are you proposing a Lunar solar Calendar?

Post #61

 

[Filippus]

@Filippus Dear brother my clear illustrations in post #59 shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that what I have been speaking up to this point--regarding the calendar created by God on Day 4 of creation and the true length of the solar year as spoken of in Scripture--is correct.

Cherry picking between the evidence have led you to your view and opinion. Below it works out exactly 150 days.

 

[Humble Penny]

Cherry picking between the evidence have led you to your view and opinion. Below it works out exactly 150 days.

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Guess you forgot how luni-solar calendars work huh? It's still a lunar based system...it simply applies formula so that the Moon is aligned with the solar year...in reality it's the Sun that completed the 150 Days...on paper you are just being told what day it would be on the Sun...nice try though...

No cherry picking on my end as I laid out the whole lunar and solar year for everyone to see with dates clearly marked.

 

[Humble Penny]

@Filippus

 

[daq]

Before you keep replying ponder on this Proverb:

"Sensible people always think before they act, but stupid people advertise their ignorance."
Proverbs 13:16 GNTD

While you ponder on the Proverb in post #92 look at how your thoughts fulfill the foolish person described in it:

You don't believe in the calendar given to Enoch by God because you want to push a lunar calendar, or other non-biblical calendar. You then go on to say that the calendar created by God cannot last forever...but then believe that your non-biblical calendar does last forever? Be careful about putting the works of man above the works of God...

But I guess only time will tell if you are going to continue fulfilling the role of the fool in Proverbs 13:16.

Since you have called me a fool, and have claimed that I do not abide in the word of God, and since you claim that your calendar is God's calendar, and since your calendar is 364 days: please quote the passage or passages from the scripture where God teaches us in His word that His calendar is 364 days.

If you cannot do so, please know that I do not accept empty accusations, empty assertions, or empty claims.