Can a Calendar Be Used Prior to the Time of Its Inception?

[daq]

I've got to hand it to you daq, I've never run into someone so proud of advertising their ignorance to the world. When you look up the word host as it relates to the passages you quoted it was an old term or way of saying "army", which is why YHWH is called the Lord of Armies.

Genesis 1:14-19 is our foundational proof text that the Sun, Moon and stars all appointed for signs, seasons, days, and years. The angels just happen to be set as leaders over certain stars and have Uriel as the head over all of the luminaries and their leaders, but for whatever reason you confuse Uriel's position as Prince of the Luminaries with Michael being the Prince of Armies. Guess I shouldn't be suprised because you equate the "stars" mentioned in Daniel 8 with "angels" and therefore falsely believe that Enoch must be in contradtiction with Scripture...and simply because you fail to discern the differences between Uriel and Michael's positions.

Nice try again, but, nope. Miykael is Sar Tzaba, Prince, Captain, or Head of the Host, all the way through the scripture. Moreover it doesn't even matter whether a context is figurative or not: Sar Tzaba is still Sar Tzaba either way, and Sar sariym is still Sar sariym either way, and haSar haGadol is still haSar haGadol either way, and Archangel is still Archangel either way. And there is only one Archangel because he is Sar Tzaba, the Captain of the Host.

Joshua 5:13-15 KJV
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD [Sar Tzaba YHWH] am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
15 And the captain of the LORD'S host [Sar Tzaba YHWH] said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. [Exodus 3:5] And Joshua did so.

Scripture illiteracy is a terrible plague.

 

[Humble Penny]

Nice try again, but, nope. Miykael is Sar Tzaba, Prince, Captain, or Head of the Host, all the way through the scripture. Moreover it doesn't even matter whether a context is figurative or not: Sar Tzaba is still Sar Tzaba either way, and Sar sariym is still Sar sariym either way, and haSar haGadol is still haSar haGadol either way, and Archangel is still Archangel either way. And there is only one Archangel because he is Sar Tzaba, the Captain of the Host.

Joshua 5:13-15 KJV
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD [Sar Tzaba YHWH] am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
15 And the captain of the LORD'S host [Sar Tzaba YHWH] said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. [Exodus 3:5] And Joshua did so.

Scripture illiteracy is a terrible plague.

Again Uriel is made Prince of the Luminaries while Michael is made Prince of the Angels or the Armies of Heaven. Simply put Stars aren't Angels.

Scripture illiteracy is a terrible plague indeed.

 

[daq]

Again Uriel is made Prince of the Luminaries while Michael is made Prince of the Angels or the Armies of Heaven. Simply put Stars aren't Angels.

Scripture illiteracy is a terrible plague indeed.

In the scripture stars can be stars, people, or angels.
Is this a star, a man, or an angel?

Revelation 9:1-3 KJV
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Moreover you've now ignored other places in the actual core text of Sefer Henok that completely refute what you say. Did you never read of the prison of the stars which did not come forth in their appointed times? There are seven stars mentioned in Henok, just as there are seven Holy Angels, and at one place those seven wandering stars are even petitioning Henok, (in translations other than the R.H. Charles reading), they do not represent people and they are not literal-physical stars of the heavens.

Enoch XVIII
12 And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. 13 I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, 14 The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15 And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16 And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ⌈for ten thousand years⌉.'
The Book of Enoch: Enoch's Journeys through the Earth and Sheol: Chapter XVIII

Enoch 18:12 (1882)
12 And there I saw a terrible thing: seven stars, like great burning mountains and like spirits, that petitioned me.
Enoch 18:12 (1821)
12 And there I beheld seven stars, like great blazing mountains, and like spirits entreating me.
Enoch - Book of Enoch Ge'ez Interlinear

These stars are not literal physical stars of the heavens and they are certainly not people.

Cherry picking to make up one's own private doctrine is also a terrible plague.

 

[Humble Penny]

In the scripture stars can be stars, people, or angels.
Is this a star, a man, or an angel?

Revelation 9:1-3 KJV
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Moreover you've now ignored other places in the actual core text of Sefer Henok that completely refute what you say. Did you never read of the prison of the stars which did not come forth in their appointed times? There are seven stars mentioned in Henok, just as there are seven Holy Angels, and at one place those seven wandering stars are even petitioning Henok, (in translations other than the R.H. Charles reading), they do not represent people and they are not literal-physical stars of the heavens.

Enoch XVIII
12 And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. 13 I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, 14 The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15 And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16 And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ⌈for ten thousand years⌉.'
The Book of Enoch: Enoch's Journeys through the Earth and Sheol: Chapter XVIII

Enoch 18:12 (1882)
12 And there I saw a terrible thing: seven stars, like great burning mountains and like spirits, that petitioned me.
Enoch 18:12 (1821)
12 And there I beheld seven stars, like great blazing mountains, and like spirits entreating me.
Enoch - Book of Enoch Ge'ez Interlinear

These stars are not literal physical stars of the heavens and they are certainly not people.

Cherry picking to make up one's own private doctrine is also a terrible plague.

Great job showing more of your ignorance. Clearly you have difficulty distinguishing between these different meanings and signs. But again what is to be expected since you keep mixing up the angels which make up the armies of heaven with the angels who have been appointed as leaders over the luminaries and the multitude or hosts of literal stars?

Now why would Enoch refer to the angels as stars who did not keep their appointed place in the heavens? Clearly they can't be literal stars because they aren't actually alive and it would make no sense to have an unconscous body of light burning for eternity...therefore the only logical conclusion is that these "stars" are the angels who have been appointed to be in charge of those stars we know as planets literally "wanderers". With this correct context in mind God will punish all conscious beings who wander from their appointed places He has given to them to be responsible over.

Only simple minded and gullible people will mix up these clear definitions from the Word of God just like those same gullible people who believe that shooting or falling stars mean someone has died, and the the brightness or dimness of a star s connected to the lifespan of a person. So whenever you read of a "star falling from heaven" it's more often than not telling you that one of the heavenly angels fell from heaven and not an actual star. Why this close link between stars and angels? They are both high up in the heavens...therefore angels are heavenly beings who can rise and fall just like we see literal stars do in the heavens.

Cherry picking to make up one's own private doctrine is also a terrible plague indeed.

 

[daq]

Great job showing more of your ignorance. Clearly you have difficulty distinguishing between these different meanings and signs. But again what is to be expected since you keep mixing up the angels which make up the armies of heaven with the angels who have been appointed as leaders over the luminaries and the multitude or hosts of literal stars?

Now why would Enoch refer to the angels as stars who did not keep their appointed place in the heavens? Clearly they can't be literal stars because they aren't actually alive and it would make no sense to have an unconscous body of light burning for eternity...therefore the only logical conclusion is that these "stars" are the angels who have been appointed to be in charge of those stars we know as planets literally "wanderers". With this correct context in mind God will punish all conscious beings who wander from their appointed places He has given to them to be responsible over.

Only simple minded and gullible people will mix up these clear definitions from the Word of God just like those same gullible people who believe that shooting or falling stars mean someone has died, and the the brightness or dimness of a star s connected to the lifespan of a person. So whenever you read of a "star falling from heaven" it's more often than not telling you that one of the heavenly angels fell from heaven and not an actual star. Why this close link between stars and angels? They are both high up in the heavens...therefore angels are heavenly beings who can rise and fall just like we see literal stars do in the heavens.

Simply put Stars aren't Angels.
Scripture illiteracy is a terrible plague indeed.

And I am not surprised that you apparently do not even realize that Revelation 9:1 is a reference to Sefer Henok.

Enoch LXXXVI (R.H. Charles)
1 And again I saw with mine eyes as I slept, and I saw the heaven above, and behold a star fell from heaven, and it arose and eat and pastured amongst those oxen. 2 And after that I saw the large and the black oxen, and behold they all changed their stalls and pastures and their cattle, and began to live with each other. 3 And again I saw in the vision, and looked towards the heaven, and behold I saw many stars descend and cast themselves down from heaven to that first star, and they became bulls amongst those cattle and pastured with them ⌈amongst them⌉.
The Book of Enoch: The Dream-Vision: Chapter LXXXVI

 

[Humble Penny]

And I am not surprised that you apparently do not even realize that Revelation 9:1 is a reference to Sefer Henok.

Enoch LXXXVI (R.H. Charles)
1 And again I saw with mine eyes as I slept, and I saw the heaven above, and behold a star fell from heaven, and it arose and eat and pastured amongst those oxen. 2 And after that I saw the large and the black oxen, and behold they all changed their stalls and pastures and their cattle, and began to live with each other. 3 And again I saw in the vision, and looked towards the heaven, and behold I saw many stars descend and cast themselves down from heaven to that first star, and they became bulls amongst those cattle and pastured with them ⌈amongst them⌉.
The Book of Enoch: The Dream-Vision: Chapter LXXXVI

Actually it's quite simple:

• Enoch saw these things far in advance then John when he was on the isle of Patmos.
• John simply had more details revealed to him concerning these same end times.

This "star" falling from heaven and living among the oxen is also echoed in Genesis 6 when the angels who are referred to as the sons of God came down from heaven and began marrying the daughters of Adam and having children by them, and Moses called these Nephillim "fallen ones" who became giants on the earth. Clearly all the sex going on between men and women don't ever produce giants: 1 Enoch is the main book to go into detail about this along with Jasher and Jubilees.

In short these visions are showing a time of great corruption where things will happen out of place or their proper orders which will bring in great evil.

Good job on showing your own scriptural illiteracy and cherry picking to come up with your own doctrines! 10 points for you!

 

[daq]

3 Key Lessons I've Learned when presenting the Truth to people plainly and what to conclude about them when they deny it:

1. Either they're stupid.
2. Or they're dishonest.
3. Or they simply are being willfully ignorant.

Enjoy your fantasy calendar and have a great day!
Nice chatting.

 

[Humble Penny]

Enjoy your fantasy calendar and have a great day!
Nice chatting.

All good! I'll defnitely enjoy reality while you go back to the Matrix.

 

[Chiliastie]

Shalom
I am new to this site and this is my 1st post. I find
It should be obvious that the Bible has a 360-day calendar that can be shown to exist from the days of Noah`s flood to the coming troubles of the book of revelation C.f., ref in Gen, Dan and Rev
1 Week = 7 Years
7 Years ÷ 2 = 3.5 Years
3.5 Years x 12 Months = 42 Months
42 Months x 30 Days = 1,260 Days
1,260 Days ÷ 3.5 Years = 360 Days

But just like every other calendar ever divised it must be intercalated some how?

I find it very interesting that if God`s 360-day calendar is intercalated with 30-day months just 7 times over every 40-Solar years of 365.25 it works out to be 14,610-days. And this = 494 and 3/4 Lunar months. Or so close to 99 Lunar weeks every 2-Solar years or 99 Lunar months every 8-Solar years.
In the qumran calendar of 364-days, it looks like the "SIGN' that they look for every 6-Solar years (5?) is a 1/4 phase of the moon. Each Lunar week has normally 7 days (average 7.382647 days).