Can a Calendar Be Used Prior to the Time of Its Inception?

[Humble Penny]

Since you have called me a fool, and have claimed that I do not abide in the word of God, and since you claim that your calendar is God's calendar, and since your calendar is 364 days: please quote the passage or passages from the scripture where God teaches us in His word that His calendar is 364 days.

If you cannot do so, please know that I do not accept empty accusations, empty assertions, or empty claims.

Weren't you quoting the story of Noah to show that there are 360 Day Solar years?

 

[Humble Penny]

Since you have called me a fool, and have claimed that I do not abide in the word of God, and since you claim that your calendar is God's calendar, and since your calendar is 364 days: please quote the passage or passages from the scripture where God teaches us in His word that His calendar is 364 days.

If you cannot do so, please know that I do not accept empty accusations, empty assertions, or empty claims.

Weren't you quoting the story of Noah to show that there are 360 Day Solar years?

And if you need to review how 360 Days and 364 Days correlate on such a calendar then checkout posts #14 & #16. The math also tells you this:

12 Months x 30 Days = 360 Days
52 Weeks x 7 Days = 364 Days

 

[daq]

This is what is missing from the Enoch calendar, how it was corrected to the solar year.

So are you proposing a Lunar solar Calendar?

No, I am not proposing a lunar calendar: that was another false claim from someone casting stones in the dark. As I have said previously, imo, the flood calendar is the leap year calendar, which is 371 days, exactly 53 weeks, so that the Shabbat never changes to a different day of the week. Again, it is essentially what in modern times they would now call a fiscal calendar. With the four inter-calendar days between the end of the tenth month and the beginning of the eleventh month there are eleven days the Horeb way in the leap year, (4+7=11).

 

[daq]

Weren't you quoting the story of Noah to show that there are 360 Day Solar years?

That is not scripture: where is the scripture that teaches us that God's calendar is what you claim it is?

 

[daq]

And if you need to review how 360 Days and 364 Days correlate on such a calendar then checkout posts #14 & #16. The math also tells you this:

12 Months x 30 Days = 360 Days
52 Weeks x 7 Days = 364 Days

That is not scripture: where is the scripture that teaches us that God's calendar is what you claim it is?

 

[Humble Penny]

That is not scripture: where is the scripture that teaches us that God's calendar is what you claim it is?

Right so the story of Noah isn't Scripture?

 

[daq]

Right so the story of Noah isn't Scripture?

Quote the post where I said any such thing. You continually reveal that you are a perverter of words.

 

[Humble Penny]

Quote the post where I said any such thing. You continually reveal that you are a perverter of words.

Look I get you're wanting to truly get back at me so you're being petty. The story of Noah in Genesis 7-8 shows you it lasted a year as it began on the 17th Day of the 2nd Month in Noah's 600th Year; it ended in Noah's 601st Year on the 27th Day of the 2nd Month. In the LXX and Josephus it lasts exactly 360 Days while in the Masoretic Text it lasts 370 Days. Either way you slice it the year is complete in 360 Days...and that means you have 12 Solar Months of 30 Days.

 

[Humble Penny]

Since you have called me a fool, and have claimed that I do not abide in the word of God, and since you claim that your calendar is God's calendar, and since your calendar is 364 days: please quote the passage or passages from the scripture where God teaches us in His word that His calendar is 364 days.

If you cannot do so, please know that I do not accept empty accusations, empty assertions, or empty claims.

Look I get you're wanting to truly get back at me so you're being petty. The story of Noah in Genesis 7-8 shows you it lasted a year as it began on the 17th Day of the 2nd Month in Noah's 600th Year; it ended in Noah's 601st Year on the 27th Day of the 2nd Month. In the LXX and Josephus it lasts exactly 360 Days while in the Masoretic Text it lasts 370 Days. Either way you slice it the year is complete in 360 Days...and that means you have 12 Solar Months of 30 Days.

If you need Scripture to show that God only recognizes 12 Months = 1 Year then turn to 1 Chronicles 27:1-15 and 1 Kings 4:7-19.

 

[daq]

Look I get you're wanting to truly get back at me so you're being petty. The story of Noah in Genesis 7-8 shows you it lasted a year as it began on the 17th Day of the 2nd Month in Noah's 600th Year; it ended in Noah's 601st Year on the 27th Day of the 2nd Month. In the LXX and Josephus it lasts exactly 360 Days while in the Masoretic Text it lasts 370 Days. Either way you slice it the year is complete in 360 Days...and that means you have 12 Solar Months of 30 Days.

That's your interpretation of scripture with which I do not agree. You have plainly stated that your calendar, which you claim to be God's calendar, is 364 days. You say I do not abide in the word of God, so prove it, by providing the scripture passage or passages which actually teach what you claim. Otherwise your claims are unacceptable.

 

[Humble Penny]

That's your interpretation of scripture with which I do not agree. You have plainly stated that your calendar, which you claim to be God's calendar, is 364 days. You say I do not abide in the word of God, so prove it, by providing the scripture passage or passages which actually teach what you claim. Otherwise your claims are unacceptable.

Right of course since you don't like to do math:

You can also prove this with the length of the Flood waters rising for 150 Days from the 17th Day of the 2nd Month to the 17th Day of the 7th Month (Genesis 7:24 cf. 8:1-4). And you can also show from Daniel 7:25 where the Fourth Beast has power for 3.5 Years:

7 Years ÷ 2 = 3.5 Years
3.5 Years x 12 Months = 42 Months
42 Months x 30 Days = 1,260 Days
1,260 Days ÷ 3.5 Years = 360 Days

And these numbers reflect exactly what we read of in Revelation. Post #59 shows how such a year would look like.

 

[Humble Penny]

Right of course since you don't like to do math:

You can also prove this with the length of the Flood waters rising for 150 Days from the 17th Day of the 2nd Month to the 17th Day of the 7th Month (Genesis 7:24 cf. 8:1-4). And you can also show from Daniel 7:25 where the Fourth Beast has power for 3.5 Years:

3.5 Years x 12 Months = 42 Months
42 Months x 30 Days = 1,260 Days
1,260 Days ÷ 3.5 Years = 360 Days

And these numbers reflect exactly what we read of in Revelation. Post #59 shows how such a year would look like.

@daq here's some extra credit work to show these numbers aren't being imagined or forced by me, but are plainly told by Scripture:

1,290 Days ÷ 30 Days = 43 Months
1,335 Days ÷ 30 Days = 44.5 Months
2,300 Days ÷ 30 Days = 76.6666666667 Months
OR
3 Years 7 Months
3 Years 8 Months 15 Days
76 Months x 30 Days = 2,280 Days
0.6666666667 x 30 Days = 20 Days

These are the exact numbers you'd expect on a 360 Day Solar Calendar.

Shalom

 

[Filippus]

Solar & Astral Cycle at end of 50 Year Jubilee Cycle

(360 Days x 50 Years) + (4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days) =

18,000 Days + 200 Days = 18,200 Days

Lunar Cycle Reconciled at end of 50 Year Jubilee Cycle

(354 Days x 50 Years) +

(6 Overplus Days x 5 Years x 10 Intercalary Periods) +

(4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days x 50 Years) =

17,700 Days + 300 Days + 200 Days = 18,200 Days

You should start with the Tropical year:

The tropical year lasts for 365.24219 mean solar days.

365.24219 x 50 years = 18,262.1095 Days.

18,262.1095 Days - 18,200 Days = 62.1095 Days

Therefore, you are 62 days short!

The Enoch calendar fails, sorry but it’s true.

If not, you will need to explain why not. Simply referencing back to your old posts doesn’t constitute proof and doesn’t explain why you believe it does.

And referencing proverbs can be seen as childish, and doesn’t contribute to the discussion.

The question was raised multiple times, yet not addressed or explained by you except quoting your incomplete posts.

However, in a mere fifty years, a calendar of strictly 364 days would have the Passover falling in winter, about sixty-two days too soon, because a calendar of strictly 364 days without any intercalation or leap year is 1.24219 days short in every year. This is due to the rate of rotation of the earth about its axis, (a day), and the time it takes for the earth to make one revolution in its orbit around the sun, (a year). There is no escaping these facts: they are what they are, whether you want to believe them or not.

50*1.24219 = 62.1095 days.

As previously stated, in fifty years the Humble Penny calendar would be just over 62 days off, and the Pesach would fall in winter, two months early. In twenty-five years his calendar is 31 days off.

Yet you insist your posts resolve the questions raised.

Now from the tropical year, we have 365.24 days.

The lunisolar calendar actually synchronises the calendar month to the moon, resulting in the full moon always falling on the evening of the 14th, or Passover.

Basically, the evening between the 14th -15th.

This can also be used as a quick test for the calendar.

To synchronise the calendar with the solar cycle a leap month was employed, as you know and reject however the math actually supports the calendar and its synchronisation.

Now, this should not be confused with the 19-year cycle Hillel II introduced.

Looking at an 8-year cycle.

The lunar cycle is ±29.5 days long and a 29 then 30-day month cycle takes care of the average cycle and explains why observation, and equates to a 354 day year:

1st year meant 11 days shorter than the Solar year
2nd year meant 22 days shorter than the Solar year
3rd year meant 3 days shorter than the Solar year, (Intercalary Month added)
4th year meant 14 days shorter than the Solar year
5th year meant 25 days shorter than the Solar year
6th year meant 6 days shorter than the Solar year, (Intercalary Month added)
7th year meant 17 days shorter than the Solar year
8th year meant 2 days ahead of the Solar year, (Intercalary Month added)
OR
1st 354................vs................365
2nd 354...................................365
3rd 384..................................365
4th 354...................................366
5th 354...................................365
6th 384..................................365
7th 354...................................365
8th 384..................................366
= 2922 Days.......................= 2922 Days

Considering the leap days we are then in sync with the solar year.
Now I am well aware of the book of Jubilees, but we need to determine which pen is lying?

Now considering the Genesis account the Luni-solar actually is the only one that works without tampering with the calculation.

As I said to you in an earlier post, can you imagine my disappointment when I tested it myself and realised that all the people arguing for the Enoch calendar had simply ignored or missed this?

Now something people generally ignore is the fact that the historical evidence must also support your calendar unless you only ignore them based on your bias towards them in the first place.

If we consider the definition for Easter Sunday dating back to Dionysius Exiguus, we see that

Easter Sunday is and was defined to fall on the first Sunday after the Full Moon (14th to 15th) that falls on or after the equinox (March 19-21). If the Full Moon is on a Sunday, Easter is celebrated on the following Sunday.

Now it is only after you understand that the full moon occurs on Pesach, the evening of the 14th, that the above would make any sense.

Therefore the early church also understood it this way.

Therefore, the evidence from scripture and history evidence suggests the opposite.

Shalom

 

[Humble Penny]

You should start with the Tropical year:

The tropical year lasts for 365.24219 mean solar days.

365.24219 x 50 years = 18,262.1095 Days.

18,262.1095 Days - 18,200 Days = 62.1095 Days

Therefore, you are 62 days short!

The Enoch calendar fails, sorry but it’s true.

If not, you will need to explain why not. Simply referencing back to your old posts doesn’t constitute proof and doesn’t explain why you believe it does.

And referencing proverbs can be seen as childish, and doesn’t contribute to the discussion.

The question was raised multiple times, yet not addressed or explained by you except quoting your incomplete posts.





Yet you insist your posts resolve the questions raised.

Now from the tropical year, we have 365.24 days.

The lunisolar calendar actually synchronises the calendar month to the moon, resulting in the full moon always falling on the evening of the 14th, or Passover.

Basically, the evening between the 14th -15th.

This can also be used as a quick test for the calendar.

To synchronise the calendar with the solar cycle a leap month was employed, as you know and reject however the math actually supports the calendar and its synchronisation.

Now, this should not be confused with the 19-year cycle Hillel II introduced.

Looking at an 8-year cycle.

The lunar cycle is ±29.5 days long and a 29 then 30-day month cycle takes care of the average cycle and explains why observation, and equates to a 354 day year:

1st year meant 11 days shorter than the Solar year
2nd year meant 22 days shorter than the Solar year
3rd year meant 3 days shorter than the Solar year, (Intercalary Month added)
4th year meant 14 days shorter than the Solar year
5th year meant 25 days shorter than the Solar year
6th year meant 6 days shorter than the Solar year, (Intercalary Month added)
7th year meant 17 days shorter than the Solar year
8th year meant 2 days ahead of the Solar year, (Intercalary Month added)
OR
1st 354 vs 365
2nd 354 365
3rd 384 365
4th 354 366
5th 354 365
6th 384 365
7th 354 365
8th 384 366
= 2922 Days = 2922 Days

Considering the leap days we are then in sync with the solar year.
Now I am well aware of the book of Jubilees, but we need to determine which pen is lying?

Now considering the Genesis account the Luni-solar actually is the only one that works without tampering with the calculation.

As I said to you in an earlier post, can you imagine my disappointment when I tested it myself and realised that all the people arguing for the Enoch calendar had simply ignored or missed this?

Now something people generally ignore is the fact that the historical evidence must also support your calendar unless you only ignore them based on your bias towards them in the first place.

If we consider the definition for Easter Sunday dating back to Dionysius Exiguus, we see that

Easter Sunday is and was defined to fall on the first Sunday after the Full Moon (14th to 15th) that falls on or after the equinox (March 19-21). If the Full Moon is on a Sunday, Easter is celebrated on the following Sunday.

Now it is only after you understand that the full moon occurs on Pesach, the evening of the 14th, that the above would make any sense.

Therefore the early church also understood it this way.

Therefore, the evidence from scripture and history evidence suggests the opposite.

Shalom

Sadly the calendar you're using is a man-made one and didn't exist at creation along with all other man-made calendars. And be careful because now you're making man-made calendars greater than the perfect calendar created by God.

 

[Humble Penny]

Dear Readers,

Please keep these dates of creation in mind:

-5470 BC (LXX)
-4004 BC (Masoretic Text)
-3761 BC (Rabbinic Judaism)
-[INSERT DATE HERE] BC (Others)

No calendar can exist prior to whatever date of creation you choose. The true date however which will correct all other dates is the LXX. Therefore just look at the date your calendar was created and it can't exist prior to that time and therefore cannot be used since it was never in existence.

 

[Filippus]

No, I am not proposing a lunar calendar: that was another false claim from someone casting stones in the dark. As I have said previously, imo, the flood calendar is the leap year calendar, which is 371 days, exactly 53 weeks, so that the Shabbat never changes to a different day of the week. Again, it is essentially what in modern times they would now call a fiscal calendar. With the four inter-calendar days between the end of the tenth month and the beginning of the eleventh month there are eleven days the Horeb way in the leap year, (4+7=11).

Now I have considered the Leap week for the Enoch calendar, more specific the work presented by John P. Pratt.

However I haven't seen the link in scripture.

I will consider your proposal and test it.

Do you have more info regarding the leap year calendar?

 

[Filippus]

Dear Readers,

Please keep these dates of creation in mind:

-5470 BC (LXX)
-4004 BC (Masoretic Text)
-3761 BC (Rabbinic Judaism)
-[INSERT DATE HERE] BC (Others)

No calendar can exist prior to whatever date of creation you choose. The true date however which will correct all other dates is the LXX. Therefore just look at the date your calendar was created and it can't exist prior to that time and therefore cannot be used since it was never in existence.

I have started with the Rabbinic Judaism correcting from scripture and concluded -[3950] BC (Others)

Shalom

 

[Filippus]

Right so the story of Noah isn't Scripture?

Yes but 153 days in your calendar are not equal to 150 days.

 

[Humble Penny]

I have started with the Rabbinic Judaism correcting from scripture and concluded -[3950] BC (Others)

Shalom

Yes but 153 days in your calendar are not equal to 150 days.

Look I get you don't believe in what I'm saying so you don't have to keep replying back. Otherwise Genesis 7:24 and 8:1-4 show that Moses didn't count the 4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days as normal days during the year which is why he only counts 150 Days. And then you tried a desperate attempt to disprove this using a luni-solar calendar which was pretty hilarious.

Otherwise posts #111 & #112 show why Scripture supports a 360 Day Solar Calendar with 4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days. And posts #14 & #16 show the math as to why you don't reckon the 4 Seasonal Days during the year but at the end of the year.

 

[Humble Penny]

I have started with the Rabbinic Judaism correcting from scripture and concluded -[3950] BC (Others)

Shalom

Keep in mind the date of creation for Rabbinic Judaism wasn't relevant when the Septuagint was translated from the original Hebrew in -284 BC during the reign of Ptolemy II Philadelphus. The modern Jewish date of creation wouldn't come about until 90 Years after the Destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD, and only after Jose Ben Halafta compiled the Seder Olam.

But if you want to keep basing your conclusions on lies then know the lake of fire awaits all people who love lies.