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Can a Calendar Be Used Prior to the Time of Its Inception?

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If we take a look at the start and finish points of both the Solar and Lunar calendar we see that they both begin the year on Day 4 of creation, but where their months begin and end is where the difference comes down the line:

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Solar Year
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1st Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring/Vernal Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

2nd Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Noah 600 at Flood)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (7 Days)

3rd Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01
02 03 04 05 06 07 (14 Days)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (21 Days)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (28 Days)
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 (35 Days)
29 30_______________ (42 Days)

4th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Summer Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11 (49 Days)
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (56 Days)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (63 Days)
26 27 28 29 30______ (70 Days)

5th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 (77 Days)
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 (84 Days)
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (91 Days)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (98 Days)

6th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01
02 03 04 05 06 07 (105 Days)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (112 Days)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (119 Days)
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 (126 Days)
29 30_______________ (133 Days)

7th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Fall/Autumnal Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11 (140 Days)
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (150 Days) (Flood waters stop rising)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

8th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

9th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

10th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Winter Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

11th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

12th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

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Lunar Year
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1st Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring/Vernal Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29_________

2nd Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
____________01 02 03
04 05 06 07 08 09 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 (Noah 600 at Flood)
25 26 27 28 29 30___ (7 Days)

3rd Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
__________________01
02 03 04 05 06 07 08 (14 Days)
09 10 11 12 13 14 15 (21 Days)
16 17 18 19 20 21 22 (28 Days)
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 (35 Days)

4th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01
02[03]04 05 06 07 (42 Days) (Summer Solstice)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (49 Days)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (56 Days)
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 (63 Days)
29 30_______________ (70 Days)

5th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______01 02 03 04 05
06 07 08 09 10 11 12 (77 Days)
13 14 15 16 17 18 19 (84 Days)
20 21 22 23 24 25 26 (91 Days)
27 28 29____________ (98 Days)

6th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11 (105 Days)
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (112 Days)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (119 Days)
26 27 28 29 30______ (126 Days)

7th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]_____01 02 (Fall/Autumnal Equinox)
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 (133 Days)
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 (145 Days)(Flood waters stop rising)
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29___

8th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
__________________01
02 03 04 05 06 07 08
09 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30__________________

9th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
___01 02 03 04 05 06
07 08 09 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29_______________

10th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Winter Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29_________

11th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

12th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

As you all can clearly see when you separate the Solar and Lunar years from one another and actually order them properly it is clear the Bible is using a solar calendar of 360 Days with 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days which aren't counted as normal days during the year; and we see just how chaotic the lunar year is. On top of all this the Sun completes the 150 Days of Genesis 7:11 and 8:2-4 while the Moon only completes 145 Days: by this we know that each solar month is composed of 30 Days only as Moses doesn't reckon the 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days found at the head of the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th Months.
For those curious as to how one would reconcile the Solar and Lunar years you apply the following formulas:

Solar & Astral Cycle at end of 50 Year Jubilee Cycle
(360 Days x 50 Years) + (4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days) =
18,000 Days + 200 Days = 18,200 Days


Lunar Cycle Reconciled at end of 50 Year Jubilee Cycle
(354 Days x 50 Years) +
(6 Overplus Days x 5 Years x 10 Intercalary Periods) +
(4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days x 50 Years) =
17,700 Days + 300 Days + 200 Days = 18,200 Days

To correctly intercalate the additional 1 Lunar Month you must add them once every 5 Years so that 5 Lunar Years are equal to 5 Solar Years, and this is becuase each year the Sun has an overplus of 6 Days so that after 5 Years the Sun has an overplus of 30 Days/1 Month:

3 Year Cycle
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Sun
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360 Solar Days x 3 Years = 1,080 Solar Days
4 Seasonal Days x 3 Years = 12 Days
1,092 Solar Days

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Moon
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354 Lunar Days x 3 Years = 1,062 Lunar Days
6 Overplus Days x 3 Years = 18 Days
1,080 Lunar Days

5 Year Cycle
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Sun
====
360 Solar Days x 5 Years = 1,800 Solar Days
4 Seasonal Days x 5 Years = 20 Days
1,820 Solar Days


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Moon
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354 Lunar Days x 5 Years = 1,770 Lunar Days
6 Overplus Days x 5 Years = 30 Days
1,800 Lunar Days + (4 Seasonal Days x 5 Years) =
1,800 Lunar Days + 20 Days = 1,820 Days

This Jubilee Cycle for the Sun and Moon is far superior to the Metonic and Callipic Cycles as every 5 Years the Sun and Moon will be in alignment with one another instead of having to wait 19 Solar Years or 235 Lunar Months. And the best part is you can do away with those silly and unecessarily complicated formulas: for YHWH's system is perfect, clean, and predictable. Attached is a chart showing what I have just described.
 

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Dear readers,

The evidence I have presented--to those opposed to a 360 Day Solar Calendar with 4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days--in this thread shows without a doubt that the calendar created by God on Day 4 of creation is the true calendar the given to Adam and eventually in writing to Moses on Mt. Sinai. That said I give YHWH all the credit for preserving this truth and giving me th ability to share it freely with you all.

Since YHWH is a revealer of secrets I don't claim to discovered this as due to any personal "genius", rather I simply took YHWH at His word and believed with all my heart and soul that there was indeed a clear way to prove from His Word all that I have spoken here and elsewhere.

All of this means that the aforementioned solar calendar is the same one used during the life of Yeshua when He lived His 30 Years on this earth. And it is this same solar calendar we are to follow today.

In closing obviously it is in everyone's power to choose to follow the truth or falsehood. At least now I can say with a clear conscience that I have shared the truth and all who deny it will be doing so willingly. In addition to this work on the True Biblical Solar Calendar I have also done the leg work on the chronological timeline from Adam to the Final Judgment. And if anyone disagrees then let them show their work as I have done and not only speak mere words which have no substance in them.
 
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... a lunar calendar wasn't used but a 360 Day Solar Calendar with 4 Intercalary Days.

Ive got the book of Enoch, got the Book of Jubilees, got Calendar and Chronology - Jewish and Christian (Beckwith), got Ages in Chaos (Velikovsky) got the Coming Prince (Anderson), got Chronological Aspects (Hoehner).

Ive been down every bunny trail, been attacked by rabbits! :eek: Believe me; there is no 360-day calendar that works; no 364-day calendar that works either.
 
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Ive got the book of Enoch, got the Book of Jubilees, got Calendar and Chronology - Jewish and Christian (Beckwith), got Ages in Chaos (Velikovsky) got the Coming Prince (Anderson), got Chronological Aspects (Hoehner).

Ive been down every down every bunny trail, been attacked by rabbits! :eek: Believe me; there is no 360-day calendar that works; no 364-day calendar that works either.
My dear good sir Gedge, you and I get along quite well and while I can't say I'm all familiar with the works of the gentlemen you mentioned after the apocryphal books, I can say that I too thought I had once exhausted every avenue until I realized that none of these man made calendars we see in history existed at the beginning of creation and Adam. That said it forced me to reexamine everything I thought I formerly knew and to approach this case from a fresh angle.

To my knowledge I have not seen anyone even attempt anything close to what I have presented in posts #14 & 16 of this thread, and what I shared at the end of pg. 3 and the beginning of pg. 4. Of course of we keep approaching this ancient calendar system of God with modern eyes then we'll never understand that it has worked and still works to this day.
 
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My research on the Ancient Hebrew Calendar. A short video is at the end. Also, please see chapter 3 of my book, 'The Atonement Clock.'

Be blessed.
Watched your video brother Gedge and I must tell you that if you read posts #14, #16, #59, and #61 they will help you piece together some key information you missed in your research, for I also discovered the connection between the 50 Year Jubilee Cycle and how the Sun and Moon align at the end of it before starting their cycles anew.
 
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I also discovered the connection between the 50 Year Jubilee Cycle and how the Sun and Moon align at the end of it before starting their cycles anew.

When you were questioned about these things in one of your other threads you never offered any explanation. And no doubt that is because, as shown in this thread, you do not even believe the empirical evidence for the relationships between the sun, the earth in its rotation upon its axis and orbit around the sun, and the moon in its orbit around the earth. You simply throw all those things out the window and claim that you believe what God says and therefore science, mathematics, orbital mechanics, and astronomy are all wrong because you say so.
 
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Dear Humble reader, the problem here is fairly obvious, since Humble Penny expects you to simply believe on his word that the solar year is precisely 364 days instead of 365.242 days, and the problem is that he himself apparently does not observe his own version of the calendar, for if he did, he would soon realize that it doesn't work.

As previously stated, in fifty years the Humble Penny calendar would be just over 62 days off, and the Pesach would fall in winter, two months early. In twenty-five years his calendar is 31 days off. In ten years his calendar is 12.4 days off. In a mere five years his calendar is already 6.2 days off, almost a week.
 
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That was the Babylonian calendar that Moses referenced, with a few changes.
How can that be when the Babylonians, nor any of the nations existed prior to the Flood and the Tower of Babel? Also why would God tell Moses to follow the ways of nations He hates and told them not to follow?
 
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How can that be when the Babylonians, nor any of the nations existed prior to the Flood and the Tower of Babel?

You're presuming they had a calendar...or even needed one.

At what point of civilization do people need a calendar, rather than simply knowing what point of the solar year a person is in at the moment? A calendar isn't really necessary until empires form.
 
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You're presuming they had a calendar...or even needed one.
And you think God just created the world without creating time and His own calendar?

No Adam = No Mankind
No Luminaries = No Calendar
No Creation = No Matter
No Beginning = No Time


The book of Genesis isn't called "Beginnings" for no good reason: it's literally the beginning of the history of the world and everything in it.
 
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And you think God just created the world without creating time and His own calendar?

No Adam = No Mankind
No Luminaries = No Calendar
No Creation = No Matter
No Beginning = No Time


The book of Genesis isn't called "Beginnings" for no good reason: it's literally the beginning of the history of the world and everything in it.

I did not say time did not exist. And if God has His own calendar, "A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day," so His calendar wouldn't be very useful for a farmer figuring how many days he had to harvest or for the king's chronicler to count the span of the regnum. So we're not talking about God's calendar.

There are hunter-gatherer societies existing today that do not have a calendar.
 
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You're presuming they had a calendar...or even needed one.

At what point of civilization do people need a calendar, rather than simply knowing what point of the solar year a person is in at the moment? A calendar isn't really necessary until empires form.
And have you forgotten that God is the God of gods, King of kings, and Lord of lords??? What king doesn't have their own standing army, people and empire they rule over??? God created the world and is called the Lord of Hosts or Lord of Armies, and all the heavenly beings and mankind are His subjects whom He rules over! Hello!!! So naturally God would need to create His own calendar and appoint His own special times for us to meet....common sense would tell you that you can't have a calendar without the Sun, Moon and stars.
 
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And have you forgotten that God is the God of gods, King of kings, and Lord of lords??? What king doesn't have their own standing army, people and empire they rule over??? God created the world and is called the Lord of Hosts or Lord of Armies, and all the heavenly beings and mankind are His subjects whom He rules over! Hello!!! So naturally God would need to create His own calendar and appoint His own special times for us to meet....common sense would tell you that you can't have a calendar without the Sun, Moon and stars.

That has nothing to do with human calendars, which is what this thread is about.
 
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I did not say time did not exist. And if God has His own calendar, "A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day," so His calendar wouldn't be very useful for a farmer figuring how many days he had to harvest or for the king's chronicler to count the span of the regnum. So we're not talking about God's calendar.
Don't be so simple minded...you clearly don't understand that there are different units of time and measurement...not all measures or units are equal to one another...

The 1000 Years = 1 Day is connected to the 7 Days of the Week, and why? Because God predetermined the world to exist for 7,000 Years. There are 6,000 Years of Work and 1,000 Years of Rest because God worked 6 Days and rested on the 7th Day.
 
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That has nothing to do with human calendars, which is what this thread is about.
Actually I created this thread so I know exactly what my own thread is about thank you. The question of this thread is to get people to think and ask themselves what was the very first calendar created before man came into existence: it's a Divine and Holy Solar Calendar Created by God on Day 4 of Creation.
 
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Actually I created this thread so I know exactly what my own thread is about thank you. The question of this thread is to get people to think and ask themselves what was the very first calendar created before man came into existence: it's a Divine and Holy Solar Calendar Created by God on Day 4 of Creation.

You said in your original post:

Seeing that there has been much lively discussion more recently on getting the timing of Yeshua's birth right and making sure it is backed by the Word of God which would include knowing exactly which calendar was being used by the Jews during the time of Yeshua. We will arrive at the answer by pondering the question in the title of this post.

Can a Calendar Be Used Prior to the Time of Its Inception?
The answer to this question would be no. That is because our Gregorian calendar was created in 1582 AD and therefore never existed prior to this time, which means it cannot be used to reckon dates in history as no one used it.

What calendar were the Jews using during the Life of Yeshua?

So, no, unless you're moving the goalpost, the thread was started discussing, quoting you: "What calendar were the Jews using during the Life of Yeshua?" (Emphasis is yours).
 
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There are hunter-gatherer societies existing today that do not have a calendar.
Wow...so we can't discover the truth about God's calendar because of some uncivilized people still roaming the earth??? C'mon...what kind of reasoning is that? What do they have to do with anything?
 
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