Can a believer commit the unforgivable sin?

1stcenturylady · Feb 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I believe God only speaks to us using His Word. God wants us to obey His commandments. If God is asking us to do something that is outside of His Word, chances are it is probably not of God. Can God answer our prayers? Yes, but it is only inline with what His Word says. To receive messages from God or prophecy is not biblical because the word of prophecy known as the Bible is complete. It is the only revelation we need. That which is perfect (the Bible) is now complete (1 Corinthians 13:10).

Well, there you have it. Now that we have the Bible, you believe the Holy Spirit and His gifts to strengthen the church have disappeared.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 3, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Well, there you have it. Now that we have the Bible, you believe the Holy Spirit and His gifts to strengthen the church have disappeared.

I believe God can still do miracles today, but I do not believe prophesy is still taking place because we are not to add any words to the prophecy of the book known as the Bible.

ezra932 · Feb 3, 2018

SkyWriting said:
The unforgivable sin is permanently rejecting the Holy Spirit
with full knowledge and intent. Any mental illness is accounted for.
God is pretty bright about such things and is not offended if you
have a bad day. Or a bad year.

yes

1stcenturylady · Feb 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I believe God can still do miracles today, but I do not believe prophesy is still taking place because we are not to add any words to the prophecy of the book known as the Bible.

I agree. There are no new doctrines. But just as Peter realized through the gifts of the Spirit that a portion of Joel was being fulfilled, doesn't mean we won't receive further revelations as to the fulfillment of other prophecies.

We aren't to remove any either, but they removed the Epistle of Barnabas didn't they? It is direly needed, especially as it has the only command against abortion specified. And you've removed, "forbid not to speak in tongues." Personal prophecies and words of knowledge are still from God today, but they are not new doctrines. By stopping at 1 Cor. 13:10 instead of to the end of the chapter, you've misunderstood that these gifts will not end until we see Him face to face.

SkyWriting · Feb 3, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
We aren't to remove any either, but they removed the Epistle of Barnabas didn't they? It is direly needed,

I can't stand to read it. It looks faked.
The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

1stcenturylady · Feb 3, 2018

SkyWriting said:
I can't stand to read it. It looks faked.
The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

It's wonderful. It gives so much clarification as to WHY God did what He did in the Old Testament. Sorry, if you can't understand it.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 3, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
I agree. There are no new doctrines. But just as Peter realized through the gifts of the Spirit that a portion of Joel was being fulfilled, doesn't mean we won't receive further revelations as to the fulfillment of other prophecies.

We aren't to remove any either, but they removed the Epistle of Barnabas didn't they? It is direly needed, especially as it has the only command against abortion specified. And you've removed, "forbid not to speak in tongues." Personal prophecies and words of knowledge are still from God today, but they are not new doctrines. By stopping at 1 Cor. 13:10 instead of to the end of the chapter, you've misunderstood that these gifts will not end until we see Him face to face.

I am actually still studying on this topic and reading more articles. Thank you for challenging me. I am on the fence at the moment. I believe I will find the truth in the Lord's timing. I will keep searching and seeking and testing God's Word. Right now I see both positions as having merit to them. Granted, I do feel more comfortable that prophecy has ceased, but if God's Word says that it has not ceased, then I have to accept that.

1stcenturylady · Feb 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I am actually still studying on this topic and reading more articles. Thank you for challenging me. I am on the fence at the moment. I believe I will find the truth in the Lord's timing. I will keep searching and seeking and testing God's Word. Right now I see both positions as having merit to them. Granted, I do feel more comfortable that prophecy has ceased, but if God's Word says that it has not ceased, then I have to accept that.

Did I ever share with you about the miracle of the ring? It was a prophecy, but a personal prophecy to me only. That became a milestone in my walk with Jesus. Agabus gave Paul a personal prophecy, that if he went to Jerusalem he would be put in jail. And it happened. That wasn't a doctrine. In other words, not everyone who goes to Jerusalem will go the jail, just because a prophecy said so - about Paul only. See the difference? If you haven't heard about my miracle, let me know and I'll post it. You know a lot about the word of God, especially on OSAS, and I totally agree with you, and have a kinship with you. But I really want you to know more than the knowledge of the Scriptures. I want you to know the POWER of them.

Buzz_B · Feb 4, 2018

mmbattlestar said:
Okay so everyone knows what the unforgivable sin is and was in Jesus`s day. Many people say the unforgivable sin cannot be commited today because Jesus isn't walking on the Earth anymore. But I don't know. If the unforgivable sin could be commited today could a believer commit it? Say they have a mental illness and part of their mental illness is that they say really bad things about the holy spirit and Jesus could they be forgiven? I'm asking because I am the person with the mental illness and part of dealing with my illness everyday is dealing with thoughts that the holy spirit could be Satan. I mean Jesus says in John 6:37-6:40 that he will not lose a single believer so my salvation should be as secure as any other believers but I still cannot stop these thoughts from coming into my head no matter how many meds I take. I want Jesus to cure me so that I will never blasphemy him or any part of God anymore but he wont. Its almost as if Jesus hates me and doesn't understand how bad this is making me feel. So is it possible for a believer to commit the unforgivable sin? If not why? If yes we would eventually get the punishment we deserve for saying such things. But why would Jesus give us the holy spirit in the first place? And why would Jesus say he would not lose a single believer if believers could be lost? Wouldn't that make Jesus a liar? And wouldn't that mean that saying a believer could lose his salvation call Jesus a liar from his numerous statements in the bible that say that a believer cannot lose their salvation? I mean... I'm just as saved as any other believer right?

Two examples we have in the New Testament of sin against the holy spirit is the case of two believers, Ananias and Sapphira:

Acts 5:1 And a certain man, Ananias by name, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 and did keep back of the price -- his wife also knowing -- and having brought a certain part, at the feet of the apostles he laid it.
3 And Peter said, "Ananias, wherefore did the Adversary fill thy heart, for thee to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back of the price of the place?
4 while it remained, did it not remain thine? and having been sold, in thy authority was it not? why is it that thou didst put in thy heart this thing? thou didst not lie to men, but to God;"
5 and Ananias hearing these words, having fallen down, did expire, and great fear came upon all who heard these things,
6 and having risen, the younger men wound him up, and having carried forth, they buried him.
7 And it came to pass, about three hours after, that his wife, not knowing what hath happened, came in,
8 and Peter answered her, "Tell me if for so much ye sold the place;" and she said, "Yes, for so much."
9 And Peter said unto her, "How was it agreed by you, to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? lo, the feet of those who did bury thy husband are at the door, and they shall carry thee forth;"
10 and she fell down presently at his feet, and expired, and the young men having come in, found her dead, and having carried forth, they buried her by her husband;
11 and great fear came upon all the assembly, and upon all who heard these things.

When anyone is disposed to play false to the holy spirit they are naturally unable to be helped by the holy spirit. Thus they have no hope of ever being cleansed from their sins and built up into an honorable vessel. And this denial of the holy spirit can be very subtle. It really only requires that we develop the habit of disregarding the direction of the holy spirit, which was evidently what Ananias and his wife Sapphira had done. Such a habit will plague one right onto death for such a habit closes them off from all help.

We do have another example in the Scriptures, another husband and wife, which stands out (although all who are fully wicked have committed this sin by which they have become fully wicked).

SkyWriting · Feb 4, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
It's wonderful. It gives so much clarification as to WHY God did what He did in the Old Testament. Sorry, if you can't understand it.

It is written as a believer, (a real odd one) and seems to be
a rambling discourse on their personal beliefs.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 4, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Did I ever share with you about the miracle of the ring? It was a prophecy, but a personal prophecy to me only. That became a milestone in my walk with Jesus. Agabus gave Paul a personal prophecy, that if he went to Jerusalem he would be put in jail. And it happened. That wasn't a doctrine. In other words, not everyone who goes to Jerusalem will go the jail, just because a prophecy said so - about Paul only. See the difference? If you haven't heard about my miracle, let me know and I'll post it. You know a lot about the word of God, especially on OSAS, and I totally agree with you, and have a kinship with you. But I really want you to know more than the knowledge of the Scriptures. I want you to know the POWER of them.

My experiences with GOD are a little different. They magnify His Word. When God is wanting me to know something, He uses life situations, things I am studying, etc. to say something within His Scriptures to me. These messages in Scripture do contain lessons for me life (of course). For what purpose? 2 Timothy 3:16-17 holds the key.

See, the problem I have currently with personal prophecy today is should we write these words down and add our own epistle to the Bible as a result of them? If a man named Bob within our church had a prophecy, should we then add an epistle called "Bob" to our Bibles? The Bible warns that we are not to add any words or take away any words from the prophecy of this book.

1stcenturylady · Feb 4, 2018

SkyWriting said:
It is written as a believer, (a real odd one) and seems to be
a rambling discourse on their personal beliefs.

So you believe abortion is okay?

1stcenturylady · Feb 4, 2018

Jason0047 said:
See, the problem I have currently with personal prophecy today is should we write these words down and add our own epistle to the Bible as a result of them? If a man named Bob within our church had a prophecy, should we then add an epistle called "Bob" to our Bibles? The Bible warns that we are not to add any words or take away any words from the prophecy of this book.

That would mean that every prophecy of the 1st century must be written somewhere. They're not.

Acts 21:
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.

11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.

Don't forget, Agabus was already a prophet, but this is the only personal prophecy accounted for. But it was an example of a personal prophecy, not about the end of mankind.

John said even Jesus did many other miracles that were never written about. But we have enough in our Bible to show examples of the power and nature of God. There are even some that are against our sensibilities. We would find repulsive. Can you imagine what some said about Jesus coughing up spit onto the ground and making mud out of it to heal someone's eyes? No wonder many thought he was demon possessed. That alone should give us pause to criticize any future move of God. The Brownsville Revival is a case in point. I didn't understand what was going on, but I knew enough to wait and see and to not speak against it. And sure enough people were healed, saved and changed. And many were rid of demons. That is what the writhing on the floor was about, even the same was described in the gospels. But edited clips on the internet made it seem it was a claimed result of the Holy Spirit. Well, in one sense it was. He was freeing them. And God also let me find that the barking and howling which some did on their own was in a response to one nicely dressed woman's encounter with God and He said to her, "What would you do for Me? If I asked you to bark like a dog, and howl at the moon, would you?" The answer by everyone she told was a resounding, "Yes, Lord!" In other words, if God asked Abraham to kill his son, or for Naaman to wash in the dirty river Jericho seven times, would they? God wanted to be given free reign in peoples lives, but personal pride hinders God from doing the miraculous. That had to be broken. Knowing this is why I caution myself and you and anyone else to resist knee jerk reactions to things they don't understand. I have seen great miracles. "Your ways are not My ways."

Major1 · Feb 4, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I beg to differ. I believe Once Saved Always Saved is not a teaching taught in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible teaches against such a belief big time in many places.

So if salvation is a sovereign act of God, then that means that man cannot be held accountable for any sin or evil he does because God could have prevented him from sinning by forcing salvation upon him. God could have stopped man from sinning (or at least to "sin less" according certain Eternal Security proponent's odd definition on holiness). Anyways, why have a judgment of men if it was God who put man there? It makes no sense. That would be like creating a robot to kill people and then later putting that robot on trial for murder. It is illogical.

Now, while it is true we are born again spiritually according to John 3:3 and Titus 3:5, this is not a forced regeneration against our own will. How so? Scripture says,

"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." (Matthew 13:15).

Did you catch what this verse said? It says the people's heart is waxed gross and is dull of hearing and their eyes they have closed, .... LEST (UNLESS) .... at any time THEY SHOULD SEE with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart. It is a person's choice to choose God. If not, then this life would be meaningless and we are just puppets of God.

Sorry, but Calvinism is not being taught in these verses. How so?

Well, if you were to look at Romans 8:12-13, it says,

12 "Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

Okay. Verse 12 is a condition. If Calvinism was true or God forced saved us, then why would Paul make conditional statements like he does in verses 12 and 13? It makes no sense. Paul says in verse 12 to the Roman church that we are debtors not to live after the flesh (sin). Okay. If all believers are going to just automatically obey God and do the right thing because they have a new heart, then why does Paul tell the Roman church here to not live after the flesh (sin)? If being regenerated was a choice by God, then why does Paul say (in verse 13) to the Romans church that, IF they live after the flesh (sin) they will die? Why does Paul also add that the Roman church can obey God by telling them to mortify the deeds of the body (sin) and live? Why does Paul give them a choice? If forced regeneration was true, it would make no sense for Paul to say this.

Not true. In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, when the son returned home from living a life of sin and was willing to repent towards his father and before all of heaven, his father said that his son was "dead" and is "alive again." This parable of course was speaking in spiritual terms. The son was spiritually dead when he was living in sin (away from the father) and he became alive again spiritually when he decided to come back home and seek his father's forgiveness (and become a hired hand).

But when you read John 3:15, you MUST also read about the "Condemnation" mentioned in John 3:19-21 to get the context. Verse 20 says that all who do evil hate the light and neither come to the light unless their deeds should be reproved (corrected). This means that believing in Jesus does not make for an allowance for doing evil because John 3:20 says those who are doing evil have not come to the light.

Eternal Life is a person and not a thing.
Eternal Life is Jesus Christ. For Christ alone has immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son, does not have life (1 John 5:12). In other words, we must abide in the Son in order to have life (Eternal Life). Okay so how can we have an assurance in knowing the Son (i.e. to abide in Him and have Eternal Life)? 1 John 2:3 says, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." On the flip side: 1 John 2:4 says, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Eternal Security can easily be disproved by pointing out the surrounding context of a verse that supposedly proves it. For there hasn't been a verse (that supposedly proves Eternal Security) that I was not able to refute using Scripture.

In fact, I am not sure how a person can read the Bible and ignore all the verses that refute the unbiblical teaching of Eternal Security. For when a person reads their Bible they will see a refutation of Eternal Security in the majority of the New Testament (and in some cases, depending on the book, they will see a refutation of Eternal Security on almost every page).

Long List of Verses Refuting Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
… so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13 above).

Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death)

Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS

What you have done is to try and overwhelm Bible factual teachings with the volume of words..

I will say however that not one single Bible verse you posted say that we as humans can loose our salvation. Every single one of those verses given the proper context say something entirely different than what YOU want them to say.

But just for YOUR sake I will speak to you on Hebrews 6:4-8 as it is one you listed and one that people of your thinking like to use to say we can loose our salvation.

What's astonishing to me is how easy this verse actually is to understand. When reading the Bible, we always have to remember that each book is written to a specific people for a specific reason to say a specific thing.

Hebrews was written to a Jewish audience. More specifically, it was written to a Christian Jewish audience. And even more specifically, it was written to Christian Jews who were being persecuted for their faith. Many of these Jews had lost their land, their jobs, or even their families. Their persecution was great. Land was very important to Jews, it was their inheritance from God.

So the loss of land was a real blow to these Jews. In the midst of their persecution a false theology began to work its way in. The thought came up that because these Jews would have been saved under the old law before Christ, that maybe they could abandon their faith in Christ and go back to the old law.

The thought was that since they were saved under the old law and that they were not persecuted that they could go back to the old sacrificial system and the old ways and still be saved. The author of Hebrews writes against this theology. He explains to these persecuted Christian Jews that the old law does not save any longer. Now that Christ has come, Salvation is found through him. This is why Hebrews was written. These are the people that it was written to.

Now, with just that simple understanding, look at again at 6:4-6 and you'll see that this verse says absolutely nothing to us about losing our Salvation and absolutely absolutely absolutely nothing about the idea that if we slip up and "fall away" from our faith that Christ will refuse to forgive us. Let's look closer:

Verse 6: ...................
"if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."

Here, it is important to realize that when the author says "fall away" he is meaning go back to the old way. These Jews have already accepted Christ. The forgiveness for their sins is found through Christ's work on the cross. If they fall away and turn back to the old law they cannot be brought back to repentance. There is no forgiveness of sins under the old law now that Christ has been crucified. Christ paid the ultimate price, and suggesting that they don't need Christ, and thinking that they can reject what Christ did and go back to the old way would be like crucifying him all over again. This is why Christ came to give us forgiveness. Forgiveness now comes through Christ, not the old law.

As we all can see, the idea of "WE can lose our salvation" IS NOT IN THE BIBLE" but instead what we see is a lack of diligent Bible study to learn the truth of God's Word.

I do not have the time or energy to go through every verse you posted, but I can assure you that every single one of them can be properly explained when the context is applied and none of them speak to losing ones salvation.

Major1 · Feb 4, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I believe God can still do miracles today, but I do not believe prophesy is still taking place because we are not to add any words to the prophecy of the book known as the Bible.

If prophecy is not taking place today, how do you account for the words given in Daniel and Revelation?

According to the Bible there is a lot of prophecy yet to take place and the Scriptures say
that the next prophetic event is going to be the Rapture.

Major1 · Feb 4, 2018

Jason0047 said:
My experiences with GOD are a little different. They magnify His Word. When God is wanting me to know something, He uses life situations, things I am studying, etc. to say something within His Scriptures to me. These messages in Scripture do contain lessons for me life (of course). For what purpose? 2 Timothy 3:16-17 holds the key.

See, the problem I have currently with personal prophecy today is should we write these words down and add our own epistle to the Bible as a result of them? If a man named Bob within our church had a prophecy, should we then add an epistle called "Bob" to our Bibles? The Bible warns that we are not to add any words or take away any words from the prophecy of this book.

Jason. I do not know you. I feel like I should say to you that you are being rather naive and quite elitist in your comments.

Do YOU really think that God would be different to YOU than to anyone else????

Are you aware that that is exactly forbidden in the Bible???????

Acts 10:34..............
"And Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons".

Webster's Bible Translation. .............
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, In truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: Weymouth New Testament. Then Peter began to speak.

Then the answer to your question about addition is NO.........

Deut. 4:2..........
"Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you".

I am not trying to disrespect you but in my opinion from reading your own words it seems to me that you would benefit greatly from attending a Bible believing church and get involved in a Bible study operation and learn more about what you are trying to put forth.

SkyWriting · Feb 4, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
So you believe abortion is okay?

I had no idea that was in the writings. I couldn't come away with anything.
I was really looking for something to draw from it.
All I could see was rambling praise.

1stcenturylady · Feb 4, 2018

SkyWriting said:
I had no idea that was in the writings. I couldn't come away with anything.
I was really looking for something to draw from it.
All I could see was rambling praise.

Chapter 10 I believe tells WHY the unclean meats of the Jews were unclean in God's eyes. Chapter 15 is a prophecy on the return of Christ and His 1000 year reign on earth, that was no where near its fulfillment 2000 years ago, but is close now! Actually, I believe that prophecy was something they didn't want to believe was canonical because it wasn't "imminent" so they cast out the entire book even though the EoB was on 6 lists of canonical candidates to include in the finished Bible. But God preserved the book for us today. And it is now more than ever that we need a commandment against abortion, and the killing of infants. I think that is in chapter 17.

Benaiahian Monk · Feb 4, 2018

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:28
“The unforgivable sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit has been interpreted in various ways, but the true meaning cannot contradict other Scripture. It is unequivocally clear that the one unforgivable sin is permanently rejecting Christ (John 3:18; 3:36). Thus, speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible. ‘My spirit shall not always strive with man,’ God said long ago (Genesis 6:3).

Major1 · Feb 5, 2018

Benaiahian Monk said:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:28
“The unforgivable sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit has been interpreted in various ways, but the true meaning cannot contradict other Scripture. It is unequivocally clear that the one unforgivable sin is permanently rejecting Christ (John 3:18; 3:36). Thus, speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible. ‘My spirit shall not always strive with man,’ God said long ago (Genesis 6:3).

Of course the real issue in OSAS is the word "ONCE".

A lot of people down through the ages have "played church". They got involved for various personal reasons but were never saved. They were religious but lost. Then as time went by they went back to their old ways never to be seen again in the house of God.

Others seeing that take place came to the conclusion that they "lost" their salvation when the truth is they never had any salvation to begin with. Religion has never and will never save anyone.

But what if we commit a sin? What if we commit a lot of sins? What if we do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Again the key word in all of this is ONCE a person has
truly accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is actually very simple.

We ALL will commit more sins after we are saved. We ALL will commit a lot of sins after we are saved. Most of us will do something very wrong after we are saved. But that is why we are saved!!!

We are saved from the judgment to come because we are forgiven of our sins committed yesterday.....today and tomorrow. That is because we are ALL sinners!!! If we come to Christ ONCE, He is faithful to forgive us of our sins every single time we sin. We sin because we are sinners and that is our nature.

A person who willingly, humbly, repents of sin and turns towards the cross, trusting Christ as their Savior, will be saved according to Acts 16:31, John 6:37; John 14:6. That salvation is once and for all, eternal, and secure. Those who truly trust in Christ are saved once, and saved always.

You see, there is absolutely no Scriptures that tell us salvation by the Lord Jesus is "Temporary".

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