Bogus Hitler quote

[SoldierOfTheKing]

European gun laws, generally, were enacted for the purpose of disarming political dissidents.

You realize that only about 200,000 Jews owned guns in the first place?

That would be about one third of Germany's Jewish population.

 

[smaneck]

European gun laws, generally, were enacted for the purpose of disarming political dissidents.

I don't know about that, but the notion of right to bear arms grew out of the fact that a member of the nobility knew that if a king asked him to give up his arms that meant he gunning for him forhis fief. Fiefs were given in exchange for military service, after all.

Certainly when a particular group is disarmed and others are not, then something dangerous is afoot. But not gun control laws that apply to everyone.

That would be about one third of Germany's Jewish population.

And Jews made up only 1% of Germany's population. Which makes the idea that Jews could have fought off and prevented the Holocaust if only they were armed all the more ludicrous. Polish Jews took up arms in the Warsaw Ghetto. They all ended up dead anyhow.

 

[Armoured]

I don't know about that, but the notion of right to bear arms grew out of the fact that a member of the nobility knew a king was gunning for him and his fief if he was asked to give up his arms. Fiefs were given in exchange for military service, after all.

Certainly when a particular group is disarmed and others are not, then something dangerous is afloat. But not gun control laws that apply to everyone.



And Jews made up only 1% of Germany's population. Which makes the idea that Jews could have fought off and prevented the Holocaust if only they were armed all the more ludicrous. Polish Jews took up arms in the Warsaw Ghetto. They all ended up dead anyhow.

You're forgetting the Red Dawn fantasy that lies just beneath the surface of anyone making a "we need guns because tyranny! " argument

 

[smaneck]

You're forgetting the Red Dawn fantasy that lies just beneath the surface of anyone making a "we need guns because tyranny! " argument

Except honestly that was part of the Founding Father's thinking in when they wrote the Second Amendment and Article 8 of the Constitution. To their way of thinking standing armies led to tyranny. Hence, rather than a standing army we should have well-trained state militias who would stand up in time of war, but only for two years. Of course that is not the way things turned out. Article 8 was almost entirely ignored after the Civil War and Second Amendment applied to people who had no intention of serving in a state militia.

 

[Armoured]

Except honestly that was part of the Founding Father's thinking in when they wrote the Second Amendment and Article 8 of the Constitution. To their way of thinking standing armies led to tyranny. Hence, rather than a standing army we should have well-trained state militias who would stand up in time of war, but only for two years. Of course that is not the way things turned out. Article 8 was almost entirely ignored after the Civil War and Second Amendment applied to people who had no intention of serving in a state militia.

Let's not get factual history involved here. We're talking about the armchair commandos who think they can take down Obama's socialist empire with a rifle and a packed lunch.

 

[smaneck]

Let's not get factual history involved here. We're talking about the armchair commandos who think they can take down Obama's socialist empire with a rifle and a packed lunch.

Yeah, but I can't help but wish all those people who are accusing our government of violating the Constitution because of things like Social Security, Medicare and ObamaCare would pay attention to the actual trampling of Article 8. Not that I think any modern state can exist without a standing army, but it is unconstitutional.

 

[LinguaIgnota]

It seems that private gun ownership is the frequent target

It was so with the NAZI's (Nationalsocializt) movement

It was followed by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic

And is found in more palatable socialistic nations today such as Denmark etc.

As a Libertarian, I'm not in favor of this personal freedom being taken. It is in our constitution second only to free speech.

And we're quite happy with our very restrictive gun laws in Denmark. You should compare the number of gun related crimes, or even deaths, of our country to your own.
Noone here feels that their personal freedom has been taken away. We don't feel that owning a tool made exclusively for harming others is a freedom. To the contrary, we feel that the need to own such a tool is barbaric and uncivilized.

 

[morningstar2651]

That's right - the people had to lose their liberty of gun ownership so that the government could confiscate their land, which is another liberty that socialism targets

You don't know the difference between socialism, democratic socialism, state capitalism, and national socialism, do you?

Gun control has nothing to do with any of the above, by the way.

 

[morningstar2651]

Let's not get factual history involved here. We're talking about the armchair commandos who think they can take down Obama's socialist empire with a rifle and a packed lunch.

Anyone who thinks they can take on the US military is clearly delusional.

No need to disarm the people. We wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[Armoured]

Yeah, but I can't help but wish all those people who are accusing our government of violating the Constitution because of things like Social Security, Medicare and ObamaCare would pay attention to the actual trampling of Article 8. Not that I think any modern state can exist without a standing army, but it is unconstitutional.

It's the executive kill lists I have a problem with. Strangely, they're the one thing Obama has done the neocons seem OK with.

 

[ranunculus]

You're forgetting the Red Dawn fantasy that lies just beneath the surface of anyone making a "we need guns because tyranny! " argument

I'm amused by those who say they will use weapons to defend against government tyranny.
Tyranny like the Citizen's United ruling, privatized prisons, the war on drugs, the drone wars, Guantanamo bay, spying and torture programs, CISA...?
If you want to stop America from turning into a fascist police state you're about 35 years too late.
And how are you going to keep the government in check using guns? Are you going to shoot at cops and the military?

 

[Armoured]

I'm amused by those who say they will use weapons to defend against government tyranny.
Tyranny like the Citizen's United ruling, privatized prisons, the war on drugs, the drone wars, Guantanamo bay, spying and torture programs, CISA...?
If you want to stop America from turning into a fascist police state you're about 35 years too late.
And how are you going to keep the government in check using guns? Are you going to shoot at cops and the military?

People who claim private weapons ownership is a "check on tyranny" really hate it when you point out that armed citizens fightingwhat the percieve to be government tyranny looks like this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing#Shootout_with_police

 

[ranunculus]

It's the executive kill lists I have a problem with. Strangely, they're the one thing Obama has done the neocons seem OK with.

I find it quite telling that the right wing in America seems fond of making up fake scandals like Bengazhi or Hillary's emails. But when Obama's military kills US citizens in foreign countries without a trial or when the government passes more privacy invading measures you don't hear a peep from the right wing media. All the criticism seems to come from the left, albeit not enough.

 

[Armoured]

I find it quite telling that the right wing in America seems fond of making up fake scandals like Bengazhi or Hillary's emails. But when Obama's military kills US citizens in foreign countries without a trial or when the government passes more privacy invading measures you don't hear a peep from the right wing media. All the criticism seems to come from the left, albeit not enough.

My personal theory is that the neocons don't make much noise about things like drone warfare and executive kill lists because they're looking forward to using them when they next have executive power.

 

[grandvizier1006]

How does gun ownership in Nazi Germany reflect gun control politics? hitler taking away guns doesn't mean that all people who advocate gun control are Nazis--they're just concerned about violence. hitter expanding gun rights does not mean that any pro-gun person is a Nazi--it just means they value the second ammendment and believe that violence can be curbed if guns are owned by responsible people. Who's right! Depends on whom you ask, but stop bringing hitler into everything.

 

[grandvizier1006]

I find it quite telling that the right wing in America seems fond of making up fake scandals like Bengazhi or Hillary's emails. But when Obama's military kills US citizens in foreign countries without a trial or when the government passes more privacy invading measures you don't hear a peep from the right wing media. All the criticism seems to come from the left, albeit not enough.

"The right" cares more about American citizens than foreign civilians killed in drone strikes. The NSA stuff just isn't interesting enough because we don't see it happen.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

And Jews made up only 1% of Germany's population. Which makes the idea that Jews could have fought off and prevented the Holocaust if only they were armed all the more ludicrous. Polish Jews took up arms in the Warsaw Ghetto. They all ended up dead anyhow.

How did the insurgents in Iraq do against the western military forces?

 

[Armoured]

How well were the relatively small numbers of insurgents in Vietnam or in Iraq able to fight the American military?

With gross popular support. Something the Jews didn't have.

 

[Always in His Presence]

And we're quite happy with our very restrictive gun laws in Denmark. You should compare the number of gun related crimes, or even deaths, of our country to your own.
Noone here feels that their personal freedom has been taken away. We don't feel that owning a tool made exclusively for harming others is a freedom. To the contrary, we feel that the need to own such a tool is barbaric and uncivilized.

Yes, I am sure you felt very civilized as you lost your liberty to the Germans.

 

[smaneck]

How did the insurgents in Iraq do against the western military forces?

I find it quite telling that the right wing in America seems fond of making up fake scandals like Bengazhi or Hillary's emails. But when Obama's military kills US citizens in foreign countries without a trial or when the government passes more privacy invading measures you don't hear a peep from the right wing media. All the criticism seems to come from the left, albeit not enough.

As far as I'm concerned what really deserves a Congressional Investigation is the bombing of the Doctors without Borders hospital in Afghanistan.