Bogus Hitler quote

[smaneck]

Yes, I am sure you felt very civilized as you lost your liberty to the Germans.

The Poles were well armed. So were the French. Fat lot of good that did them!

 

[Armoured]

Yes, I am sure you felt very civilized as you lost your liberty to the Germans.

You think a better armed populace could have held off the wermacht? Well, if a single nuclear blast can end ISIS, I guess sure, why not? Plucky band of Danish high schoolers could do it. Someone should make a movie about it. They could call it "Black and Red Dawn".

 

[Nithavela]

Hitler was a vegetarian and owned a dog.

Just putting that out there.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes, I am sure you felt very civilized as you lost your liberty to the Germans.

Newsflash: It wasn't armed citizenry that stopped the Nazis. It was the concerted effort of many countries working together with well-trained armies and navies and the absolute best military technology available to the most powerful countries at the time who were pouring all their resources into the war effort... And it took years.

Armed citizens can do basically nothing against a real tyrannical government.

 

[Goonie]

Hitler was a vegetarian and owned a dog.

Just putting that out there.

Yes on that basis I am really suspicious of vegetarian dogs.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Newsflash: It wasn't armed citizenry that stopped the Nazis. It was the concerted effort of many countries working together with well-trained armies and navies and the absolute best military technology available to the most powerful countries at the time who were pouring all their resources into the war effort... And it took years.

Armed citizens can do basically nothing against a real tyrannical government.

While I'll agree that the Nazi's were far too powerful to be toppled by an armed resistance, an armed Jewish citizenry still would've made it a very different kind of conflict/outcome for the Jewish community.

If you put yourself in their shoes. If you knew that the Nazis were coming to take you away, which would you prefer? Getting captured, essentially tortured for 4-9 months in a camp being used for slave labor, then put in a brutal gas chamber?, or die swiftly in a gunfight with the Nazis? (knowing that you might even get to pop one of them on your way out)... A person who knows their going to die either way is going to have a nothing to lose mentality at that point and will likely opt for what they feel is the quicker, more preferable way of death.

...and like I said before, obviously an armed resistance isn't going to be effecting in defeating a group like the Nazi's, however as was seen in France, armed resistance forces can at least disrupt business to a degree.

 

[smaneck]

While I'll agree that the Nazi's were far too powerful to be toppled by an armed resistance, an armed Jewish citizenry still would've made it a very different kind of conflict/outcome for the Jewish community.

They would have been just as dead.

If you put yourself in their shoes. If you knew that the Nazis were coming to take you away, which would you prefer? Getting captured, essentially tortured for 4-9 months in a camp being used for slave labor, then put in a brutal gas chamber?

Actually those sent to the gas chambers usually were killed right away, not used as slave labor for months prior to this.

or die swiftly in a gunfight with the Nazis? (knowing that you might even get to pop one of them on your way out)... A person who knows their going to die either way is going to have a nothing to lose mentality at that point and will likely opt for what they feel is the quicker, more preferable way of death.

And that is exactly what happens in Poland. When the Jews realized they will be killed anyhow they did engage in armed uprisings. But the result was the same.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

They would have been just as dead.

Yes, but by a bullet instead of a gas chamber.

A Jewish person would have had every incentive to hide and take a few cheap shots at the Nazi's prior to being captured/killed...Hitler knew that. He knew that a armed Jewish uprising wasn't going to defeat the German army, he wasn't worried about that...but he did know an armed Jewish citizenry would provide certain difficulties and create a least some German casualties.

I can't speak for everyone, but if I was in their shoes, I'd want to kill a Nazi or two first before I was taken out.

 

[smaneck]

A Jewish person would have had every incentive to hide and take a few cheap shots at the Nazi's prior to being captured/killed...Hitler knew that. He knew that a armed Jewish uprising wasn't going to defeat the German army, he wasn't worried about that...but he did know an armed Jewish citizenry would provide certain difficulties and create a least some German casualties.

i really don't think that had much to do with Hitler's policies. Only in Germany were Jews singled out to be disarmed and it was part of all the petty disabilities and denials of human rights that they were subject to before they started rounding them up. It would be nice to take out a Nazi or two but your chances of surviving were much better if you just ran and hid.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And that is exactly what happens in Poland. When the Jews realized they will be killed anyhow they did engage in armed uprisings. But the result was the same.

If you're referring to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising...yes the result was the same (with the exception of the 100 Nazi casualties that occurred)

However, an uprising isn't really the same as an actual 'resistance'. In the uprising, the victims were already in a "contained" status.

 

[morningstar2651]

Armed citizens can do basically nothing against a real tyrannical government.

I'd like to reiterate this. If you think you stand a chance of fighting back if the government turns into fascist police state, you're nuts. We have the largest military in the world. Your M16 and your Beretta M9 won't save you from a bomb dropped from an aircraft or a mid-night drone strike.

People, if you're so afraid of government tyranny than stop voting for people that increase the size of our military.

 

[smaneck]

However, an uprising isn't really the same as an actual 'resistance'. In the uprising, the victims were already in a "contained" status.

Given the fact the Jews were hopelessly out-numbered the only reason for an active resistance would have been knowing the alternative was death. At the time an active resistance could have taken place, the Jews could not have known this whether they were armed or unarmed. If you are old enough to remember the skyjacking that took place prior to 9-11 the standard operating procedure was to cooperate as much as possible, and thereby save lives. No one could have imagined that terrorists would deliberately kill themselves by using the airplane as a weapon. So non-resistance was the norm. The passengers of United Flight 93 resisted only because they knew what happened to the other three flights where no resistance was offered.
Nowadays no one would be able to carry out a skyjacking because passengers all believe that non-resistance means death.

 

[smaneck]

People, if you're so afraid of government tyranny than stop voting for people that increase the size of our military.

And start fighting as hard for the enforcement of Article 8 as you are for the Second Amendment.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I'd like to reiterate this. If you think you stand a chance of fighting back if the government turns into fascist police state, you're nuts. We have the largest military in the world. Your M16 and your Beretta M9 won't save you from a bomb dropped from an aircraft or a mid-night drone strike.

Guerilla warfare, in its essence, is the science of turning smallness into an advantage.

 

[smaneck]

Guerilla warfare, in its essence, is the science of turning smallness into an advantage.

Suicide bombings do that even better.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Newsflash: It wasn't armed citizenry that stopped the Nazis. It was the concerted effort of many countries working together with well-trained armies and navies and the absolute best military technology available to the most powerful countries at the time who were pouring all their resources into the war effort... And it took years.

Armed citizens can do basically nothing against a real tyrannical government.

Newsflash it is armed citizens that fight for their country. Going to war without Denmark is like going hunting without your flute.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Newsflash it is armed citizens that fight for their country. Going to war without Denmark is like going hunting without your flute.

You suggested that an armed citizenry would have stood a chance against the most powerful military of the time and would have prevented WWII.

That is pure fantasy.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You suggested that an armed citizenry would have stood a chance against the most powerful military of the time and would have prevented WWII.

That is pure fantasy.

That my friend is your assumption of what I said so it is also your fantasy

Have you heard of a little thing called the French resistance movement you might want to Google that it'll give you some insight that you don't seem to have

 

[smaneck]

Have you heard of a little thing called the French resistance movement you might want to Google that it'll give you some insight that you don't seem to have

The French Resistance didn't stop Hitler.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The French Resistance didn't stop Hitler.

No, but they sure did help the Allies defeat him and get their country back