Bogus Hitler quote

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Suicide bombings do that even better.

In addition to my moral scruples against suicide, I tend to see suicide bombing as a waste of manpower.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

While I'll agree that the Nazi's were far too powerful to be toppled by an armed resistance, an armed Jewish citizenry still would've made it a very different kind of conflict/outcome for the Jewish community.

If you put yourself in their shoes. If you knew that the Nazis were coming to take you away, which would you prefer? Getting captured, essentially tortured for 4-9 months in a camp being used for slave labor, then put in a brutal gas chamber?, or die swiftly in a gunfight with the Nazis? (knowing that you might even get to pop one of them on your way out)... A person who knows their going to die either way is going to have a nothing to lose mentality at that point and will likely opt for what they feel is the quicker, more preferable way of death.

...and like I said before, obviously an armed resistance isn't going to be effecting in defeating a group like the Nazi's, however as was seen in France, armed resistance forces can at least disrupt business to a degree.

Why not, I mean, there is only black and white, two choices, that is it. Being slaughtered in a death camp or slaughtered in a street gunfight. Why even contemplate leaving Germany, I mean, no one did that, right?


And of course, all the Jews would be like SEAL team six fighters after the centuries of persecution they faced in Europe. They would have the tactical know how after being forbidden from serving in the armies of Europe and superior weapons skill from never belonging to a “gun culture”. Three Jews would have kicked all those NAZI’s butts, Schlomo Segal, Avi Rambo and Mordechai Norris.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Why not, I mean, there is only black and white, two choices, that is it. Being slaughtered in a death camp or slaughtered in a street gunfight. Why even contemplate leaving Germany, I mean, no one did that, right?


And of course, all the Jews would be like SEAL team six fighters after the centuries of persecution they faced in Europe. They would have the tactical know how after being forbidden from serving in the armies of Europe and superior weapons skill from never belonging to a “gun culture”. Three Jews would have kicked all those NAZI’s butts, Schlomo Segal, Avi Rambo and Mordechai Norris.

Ah yes, falsely exaggerate my claims (far beyond anything I was suggesting) so you can showcase you're dislike for "gun culture"...nice, straw man much?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Hitler was a vegetarian and owned a dog.

Just putting that out there.

He also over-medicated...

Watched a documentary from PBS recently discussing some of the factors leading up to the fall of the Nazis, some speculate that his over-medicating contributed to his deteriorating mental status...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell#Substances_given_to_Hitler

His private physician was pumping that dude full of drugs day and night.
(notice that e. coli was on the list...found that to be a bit odd)

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The French Resistance didn't stop Hitler.

No, and as noted earlier, I don't think anyone was claiming a resistance movement alone could have stopped him...

However, they disrupted business enough and made enough of a contribution that it caught the attention of top brass in the US


http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/opinions/kaiser-ve-day-french-resistance/

What almost no one in America will recall is the crucial role the French Resistance played in the liberation of France, or the gratitude Dwight Eisenhower expressed, over and over again, for the vital contribution these French men and women made to the success of the Allies at Normandy.

 

[jgarden]

The 1938 law, which did take place under the Nazi government, prohibited Jews from owning guns, but simultaneously liberalized gun restrictions for most everyone else. The law totally deregulated the sale of rifles, shotguns, and ammunition, as well as expanded the number of people exempt from permit requirements. It also lowered the age requirement for purchase and carry permits from 20 to 18, and extended the period permits were valid from 1 to 3 years.


It’s utterly implausible that Hitler would have been praising laws passed by the previous administration to disarm his Brown Shirts and counter his revolutionary ambitions. The equally implausible narrative of Germany as a free gun-owning paradise until “liberal fascists” took over and imposed gun registration in 1935 is complete fantasy. This quote has Hitler claiming that “for the first time ever” a civilized country had gun registration — are we to suppose that he forgot the previous 15 years of his own country’s gun laws?

blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/03/19/fake-quote-files-adolf-hitler-on-gun-registration-conquest-and-disarmament/
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The only gun law passed by the 3rd Reich in 1936 liberalized gun ownership in Germany for everybody but the Jews.

Prior to assuming power, the Nazi "Brown Shirts" could have been considered an armed militia and used their arms to destabilize the nation and intimidate other politic parties.

 

[Nithavela]

There you go again with the truth, will you people never learn?

 

[smaneck]

No, and as noted earlier, I don't think anyone was claiming a resistance movement alone could have stopped him...

However, they disrupted business enough and made enough of a contribution that it caught the attention of top brass in the US


http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/opinions/kaiser-ve-day-french-resistance/

What almost no one in America will recall is the crucial role the French Resistance played in the liberation of France, or the gratitude Dwight Eisenhower expressed, over and over again, for the vital contribution these French men and women made to the success of the Allies at Normandy.

Yes, but they didn't do this by force of arms but rather sabotage.

 

[LinguaIgnota]

Yes, I am sure you felt very civilized as you lost your liberty to the Germans.

I'm sure that a bunch of untrained civilians with guns could have stopped the Wehrmacht. And I'm surprised how you haven't noticed that this is 2015 (almost 2016) and that my country is a member of NATO. Hence, we don't need farmers equipped with guns to protect ourselves from a foreign invasion. We have plenty of allies.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Ah yes, falsely exaggerate my claims (far beyond anything I was suggesting) so you can showcase you're dislike for "gun culture"...nice, straw man much?

My dislike for gun culture? Ha ha. I live in a house packed full of guns. No, it was more about your lack of knowledge of Jewish culture up until the end of WW2. It was only after that war when Jews actually started taking an interest in weapons and self-defense.

 

[morningstar2651]

Why not, I mean, there is only black and white, two choices, that is it. Being slaughtered in a death camp or slaughtered in a street gunfight. Why even contemplate leaving Germany, I mean, no one did that, right?


And of course, all the Jews would be like SEAL team six fighters after the centuries of persecution they faced in Europe. They would have the tactical know how after being forbidden from serving in the armies of Europe and superior weapons skill from never belonging to a “gun culture”. Three Jews would have kicked all those NAZI’s butts, Schlomo Segal, Avi Rambo and Mordechai Norris.

 

[morningstar2651]

I met a holocaust survivor about 12 years ago. I asked her why they didn't try to fight back - why they didn't try to overpower the Nazis in the concentration camps and use their guns against them.

She didn't know how to use a gun. Nobody in her family used guns before. They weren't disarmed. They were never armed to begin with. They wouldn't have known what to do with the gun if they took it by force.

 

[smaneck]

In addition to my moral scruples against suicide, I tend to see suicide bombing as a waste of manpower.

LOL. You may assume that, but what they found is that suicide bombers could maximize casualties with a minimum of manpower. In the field of battle there is no way a single man would be able to take out dozens of superior forces. Of course it isn't nearly as effective as areal bombing, but they don't have that option.

 

[jgarden]

I met a holocaust survivor about 12 years ago. I asked her why they didn't try to fight back - why they didn't try to overpower the Nazis in the concentration camps and use their guns against them.

She didn't know how to use a gun. Nobody in her family used guns before. They weren't disarmed. They were never armed to begin with. They wouldn't have known what to do with the gun if they took it by force.

The Poles, French, British and Russians all knew what to do with a gun, but they were no match for the Germans from 1939-41.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Wasn't Hitler just targeting jews? Who do our current gun laws target? felons right? Felons are the only ones I know who can't own certain fire arms.