Bogus Hitler quote

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
read the articles in the links posted in posts #8 and 9, and read post #10.

Might be more persuasive if it was coming from an actual historian publishing peer-reviewed articles instead of an attorney who makes his living fighting gun control laws.

Did you read the articles in the links?

 

[Blondepudding]

The credit to Hitler could be in question but the truth in such an observation is not.

 

[Albion]

the situation is a bit more complicated as Stalin tried to take away weapons from peasants whose farms were being collectivized in 1929.

Then, by all means, let's not be unfair to Hitler but instead make the point that totalitarian governments in general deprive the people of their liberties (including gun ownership).

 

[brinny]

How did I defend gun confiscation policies? The truth is that gun ownership expanded under Hitler.

did you read the articles in the links?

.....this issue is addressed clearly.

This excerpt from this link might help clarify:

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned. The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo. This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack. That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

 

[Always in His Presence]

Except it turns out this is all a lie. The Nazis had far fewer restrictions on gun ownership than did the Wiemar Republic.

Citation needed - and not the ADL article that has no sources nor footnotes for their statements.

To side with the article, I have to completely discount the 6,000,000 people that guns were confiscated from. That in and of itself is well documented in history. It was when liberty and the rights of citizenship were revoked to a specific people group that genocide began.

 

[smaneck]

Citation needed - and not the ADL article that has no sources nor footnotes for their statements.

LOL The ADL article was merely to demonstrate how the Jewish community feels about these bogus claims. There are lots of links in this article:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/hitler-stalin-gun-control

To side with the article, I have to completely discount the 6,000,000 people that guns were confiscated from. That in and of itself is well documented in history.

In Germany? Where is the documentation for that? You realize that only about 200,000 Jews owned guns in the first place? Those six million guns you claim were confiscated wouldn't have been theirs.

It was when liberty and the rights of citizenship were revoked to a specific people group that genocide began.

I would agree that this is what is the precusor to genocide, not gun control in general.

 

[Always in His Presence]

In the case of the Soviet Union, the situation is a bit more complicated as Stalin tried to take away weapons from peasants whose farms were being collectivized in 1929.

That's right - the people had to lose their liberty of gun ownership so that the government could confiscate their land, which is another liberty that socialism targets.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill​

 

[Always in His Presence]

LOL The ADL article was merely to demonstrate how the Jewish community feels about these bogus claims. There are lots of links in this article:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/hitler-stalin-gun-control

Mother Jones? You gotta be kidding. How about an unbiased and viable source?

In Germany? Where is the documentation for that? You realize that only about 200,000 Jews owned guns in the first place? Those six million guns you claim were confiscated wouldn't have been theirs.

Here is where reading comprehension helps:

"I have to completely discount the 6,000,000 people that guns were confiscated from."

The 6,000,000 is referring to the number of PEOPLE, not the number of guns.

Please cite your source from that era where is showed that only 200k Jews owned guns.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

To all those here that are rewriting and inventing history here, please continue, it is an interesting and entertaining read.

 

[smaneck]

did you read the articles in the links?

.....this issue is addressed clearly.

This excerpt from this link might help clarify:

I don't seen anything in that link I didn't mention previously. But why don't you show the primary source in which Hitler actually says what you say he said in his signature line.

 

[brinny]

I don't seen anything in that link I didn't mention previously. But why don't you show the primary source in which Hitler actually says what you say he said in his signature line.

Read post #24, and read the article in the link. This may help.

Please feel free to provide a source that states definitively that Hitler didn't state what is in the quote that you are referring to.

 

[smaneck]

Mother Jones? You gotta be kidding. How about an unbiased and viable source?

While you guys are posting stuff from the Independent Institute? Is that your idea of an unbiased and viable source? Check out the links in the Mother Jones article.

Here is where reading comprehension helps:

"I have to completely discount the 6,000,000 people that guns were confiscated from."
The 6,000,000 is referring to the number of PEOPLE, not the number of guns.

In that case there should be logically a great deal more than 6,000,000 million guns confiscated, should there not? You can't confiscate something someone doesn't own obviously.

Please cite your source from that era where is showed that only 200k Jews owned guns.

Can't find it just now, but it is based on the registration records prior to 1933.

 

[Armoured]

Citation needed - and not the ADL article that has no sources nor footnotes for their statements.

To side with the article, I have to completely discount the 6,000,000 people that guns were confiscated from. That in and of itself is well documented in history. It was when liberty and the rights of citizenship were revoked to a specific people group that genocide began.

Which makes it kind of irrelevant when talking about gun control NOT directed against a specific group.

I know certain reactionary elements love to cast themselves in the role of persecuted victim, but taking a discussion that applies to everyone and trying to claim it makes them just like the Jews in NAZI Germany is wrong headed.

 

[Armoured]

The credit to Hitler could be in question but the truth in such an observation is not.

"Truthiness".

 

[Always in His Presence]

Please post verification that it is not a quote from Hitler.

That makes no sense. How do you prove someone never said something? Post every word he ever said?

That is like saying Stalin wore ladies bra's under his uniform, and then asking someone to prove he didn't.

 

[Armoured]

That makes no sense. How do you prove someone never said something? Post every word he ever said?

That is like saying Stalin wore ladies bra's under his uniform, and then asking someone to prove he didn't.

You can't prove a negative. That said, you don't get to just make up stuff and attribute it to historical figures, then defend it by saying "well prove he DIDN'T say it!"

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
Please post verification that it is not a quote from Hitler.

That makes no sense. How do you prove someone never said something? Post every word he ever said?

That is like saying Stalin wore ladies bra's under his uniform, and then asking someone to prove he didn't.

Exactly.

Goes both ways, doesn't it?

What is left is basically opinion.

Which we are all entitled to.

Our opinions.

 

[Vylo]

Hitler armed his citizens. Guns are no much for nationalistic zeal. He wanted to disarm the "subject races". Basically if you weren't aryan, you weren't getting guns.

 

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