Black Sheep Alliance

[Tenebrae]

Comepletely OT, but I am just about to say toodlepip, am off for an aquajog... If ya all could, could you remeber me in prayer when your able. Have been taking glucosamine for fibromyalgia and missed some last week and it flared up with a vengence. Aqua jogging is good though, its the work out of a run without the impact, and of course exercise stimulates endorphins and they are our friend

 

[icedtea]

Definately praying Moriah

I hear what you are saying about the sleep. I know that if I dont sleep, I end up feeling really bad, which in turn further exacerbates other problems. However when I am sleeping well, the other probelms seem alot less severe

True. Enough sleep keeps ones immune system healthy.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Here's something from another board I'm on that I posted earlier about the excesses and lies rampant in modern so-called "deliverance ministries". It's really more a rant than anything else, though there's a little meat to be had whilst picking the proverbial bone .... eh.

IMHO all the deliverance ministries I have met are ignorant of the spiritual makeup of a Christian and do more harm than good to Christians who are looking to overcome the flesh.

D--- you hit the proverbial nail on the head with that one! Too many of these "ministries" rely upon outright lies, falsehoods and superstitious nonsense to peddle their wares. As a former occultist well schooled in ceremonial, sympathetic, talismanic, and other styles of magick (sorcery), I frequently see these "ministries" being built literally upon an increasing anecdotal body of didaskaliais daimoniwn -- doctrines of demons or literally, "what is taught by demons" -- derived from pooled subjective experiences in demonic encounters. These supposedly Spirit-filled, Spirit-led, "trained, skilled & experienced" (HAH!) demon-busters actually believe that because they are in prayer at the time, or because they have abjured the unclean spirit "in the name of Jesus Christ" to speak only the truth, that the information they derive concerning such things as methods of entry, "grounds" claimed for being there, etc. are legitimate, factually accurate truths, and they have developed an entire body of UNSCRIPTURAL spiritual warfare dogma based upon this information -- as well as what they imagine to be "lessons learned" through these encounters. Good night! The first thing anyone encountering the demonic needs to recognize is that when it is said "beware, be on guard, for the demon LIES," these "lies" of demons are not merely things verbally conveyed but are, in fact, demonic manipulations upon the very fabric and nature of one's subjective experience WITHIN the encounter itself, to produce a lie far more substantial and far-reaching in scope and effect than anything that might merely be spoken or advanced verbally.

We have only to look objectively and soberingly upon the modern three-ring circus which passes for "deliverance ministry" today -- its shenanigans, its dogmatic assertions, its reams and reams of paper wasted on ridiculous fables about both occultism AND the way of Christ with equal gusto and equal blindness -- to see the fruit of these further-reaching lies. This organically evolving, self-organizing, self-confirming body of didaskaliais daimoniwn is swiftly becoming (nay, HAS become) the modern "standard" for understanding and engaging "spiritual warfare" and "deliverance ministry". In short and in sum, the enemy has successfully introduced the most viral and deadly of all TROJAN HORSE VIRUSES into the Christian community through a vast collaboration of ignorance and gullibility, and turned the search for liberty by the most deeply held captives among us into a three-ring circus most shamefully worthy of the "outside world's" honest reaction of ridicule and contempt.

To the average Christian, alas, this is not readily detectable. He has no firsthand knowledge of the occult by which to gauge the veracity of second- and third- and fourth-hand information -- frequently sensationalistic and tabloid in nature, partaking of ludicrous conspiracy theories attempting to account for everything from UFOs to secret societies in one sweeping rush of paranoia -- presented to him by self-proclaimed "experts" (who in truth have no clue what they are on about). And he has no personal awareness of occult technology with which to detect ON SIGHT its glaring presence in multitudes of hamster-wheel and treadmill-running, self-perpetuating exercises in futility to which the hapless victim of demonization is ruthlessly subjected by shysters, hucksters, and showmen or simply by ignorant though well-meaning Christians whose only instruction in the subject comes from that ilk and their growing tumor of didaskaliais daimoniwn. To a former occultist like myself who recognizes what is transpiring ON SIGHT IMMEDIATELY it is appalling -- and the task before us in correcting all the grotesque errors of this body of lies, overwhelming, and the persecution inevitably incurred by even the slightest effort in that direction at every turn, daunting, draining and exhausting.

Not the least of which in the latter involves the continual red herring cry that one ought not dispute these excesses for all that matters is that "souls are being delivered" and not what doctrines are taught or what practices are employed in the process. Well I question whether they ever succeed in truly getting someone free; whether they do not instead swap out one manifestation of bondage for something far worse, a bondage of "religiosity" that denies the actual power and grace of Jesus Christ ("having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof") and because of its lamblike appearance, disguises the wolverine nature which otherwise might drive them to seek genuine liberty. Trading a dire sickness in which one's sickness is evident to oneself, for one which comes packaged in a delusion of wellness forever curtailing any sane impulse to seek healing is NOT, in my opinion, a wise move.

 

[icedtea]

That is ONE of the things I have learned from you, Moriah. I have many times been gullible enough to buy into these fables and this is the only way to deliver, this sensationalist stuff is true, etc. I am still learning, which is why you guys who 'know' need to stay in deliverance and fight the superstitions which get posted there. again, thanks.

 

[pete56]

Ladies and gentlemen,

Please let me remind you that this forum is for Christian Clubs, i.e. for fellowship and affiliation of 'like minded' people to share there own experiences of whatever the club is founded around.

People are welcome to post in this (and other club forums) if they either share the same sort of experience and therefore qualify to become a member, or support the views expressed in the club.

This is not a place to come and disagree or dissent from the original intent of the club.

Clubs are required to be Christian in intent and basis and all posts are to remain within the Rules at ALL times.

Any harrassment or disruption of club by those that do not agree with the members or there opinions may be dealt with under the Rules of CF.


Please remember this whne you consider posting here.

Thank you

Pete56
Supervisor
Ministry Team

 

[icedtea]

thank you Pete.

 

[vespasia]

Moriah
You definatly have my continuing prayers.
Lack of sleep can cause all sorts of weird problems so even if you find sleep allusdes you try and rest.

(Your other post *Pretty please* could you use a serif free typeface next time and take pity on my lousy eyesight)

Wizeone.
You also have my continuing prayers.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

(Your other post *Pretty please* could you use a serif free typeface next time and take pity on my lousy eyesight)

Sorry sis! I went ahead and changed it to verdana so hopefully it is easier to read now.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Just on a personal note I find so many of my problems and issues come down to time management based. I really have a hard time with this and I really don't know how to fix that. I find so often I can think of a dozen things I need to do and want to do, but they don't get done because it's not the right time when I think of them, (e.g. going to the courthouse to file some papers I need to file--think of it when it's Sunday & courthouse is closed) or because I'm too tired (housecleaning chores) or whatever.

I know I need to start limiting my internet time but it's so hard! My whole FELLOWSHIP is on the internet!! My MINISTRY is on the internet!! I even WORK on the internet for a living!! LOL. But I need to give some time to caring for my body better -- better sleep, more exercise, etc. -- but it gets lost between the knowing and the doing because I'm cerebral by nature and I tend to literally ignore my body unless or until it SCREAMS at me otherwise. LOL!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I just had a gander for the first time at the "Information Requested" thread on DT. (Ves where were you quoting from when you posted the OP there? Who was asking for us by name? I didn't see that original post...) ANYWAY I had to laugh. My SON will be TICKLED PINK to learn that somebody out there considers his birthday a high holiday for "satanic revels".

His name is Damien.

He is the one child of mine that I dedicated to Jesus Christ in prayer EVEN WHILE I WAS A SATANIST.

No kidding.

I was in his room watching him sleep in his crib one night ... thinking what a precious joy and delight he is ... how deeply and completely I loved him ... there is no bond on earth quite like that of a mother and her son ..... I mean when this kid literally FLEW out of my womb it was love at first sight between us both. And as I stood there gazing at him, this THOUGHT rang through my head .... "Satan have HIM??? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So right then and there, this SATANIST ... this demon-possessed SORCERESS filled with spiritual pride and arrogance and rebellion and self-will, this flagrant satanic EXHIBITIONIST who didn't mind if the whole world knew I worshiped Satan and had been taken over by him sexually, etc. etc. yadda YADDA YADDA ... prayed to the true and living God of HEAVEN RIGHT THEN AND THERE. And asked HIM to receive, protect, and preserve my son in spite of me... in spite of my bondage and rebellion and spiritual allegiance to darkness, even if that never ended.

Does God hear such a prayer from one who has turned her back on Him to worship His enemy? What do you all think? I think He does. I think HE LOVES EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US whether we ever come to Him or NOT, and will ALWAYS hear the cry of a sincere heart for anything that is within HIS good, perfect, and loving will.

I think that's something church folk tend to forget when we set up "hoops" for people to jump through in order to come to Christ or receive deliverance or healing from God.

 

[vespasia]

Moriah

Have a look at Celtic Daily Patterns from CHRISTIAN communities in the UK

One such is here http://www.northumbriacommunity.org/PraytheOffice/index.html

Not saying this is for you just that it might give you an insight into pacing your day in a healthy way to allow you time with God, time to serve, time to owrk, time with others and TIME TO REST *hint hint*

Its fine to burn the candle at both ends but you will hit problems if you also try burning it in the middle as well

 

[icedtea]

I always consider my birthday a "high holy day." Not holy, but so wonderful cause its MY day! And its NOT on the list! heh

 

[vespasia]

Moriah,

That is not unheard off even in the UK.

He is the one child of mine that I dedicated to Jesus Christ in prayer EVEN WHILE I WAS A SATANIST.

Most consider a 'whitelight' religion safer for a young child unless said child displays apptitude ability and attitude and even then it is left as their own choice if they follow in their parents choice.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Most consider a 'whitelight' religion safer for a young child unless said child displays apptitude ability and attitude and even then it is left as their own choice if they follow in their parents choice.

I know what you're talking about -- as a parent I was committed to letting my kids have their choice about religion & spirituality -- but this specific moment was not about that.

All through the years I was into the occult and openly worshiped an entity I called Lucifer/Satan, and despised -- truly despised from the bottom of my heart -- the "Christian god-form", deep in my heart was a memory of the Jesus Christ *I* had met -- the good one -- the one I did NOT hate, but came to believe was not real anymore because of (what I considered) the substitute twisted version out there, the hateful caricature that I thought must be the "real" one since THAT was what all the churches said He was (this partial incomplete claims-to-be-love-but-really-isn't distortion version) -- and it was to the distant memory of that REAL real One that I prayed, not to the abhorrent thing of the abhorrent Pharisaic religion that at the time I truly abhorred.

 

[icedtea]

I think God has His eyes on us, and before we come to Him, He watches over us and protects us.

 

[izarya]

I know I need to start limiting my internet time but it's so hard! My whole FELLOWSHIP is on the internet!! My MINISTRY is on the internet!! I even WORK on the internet for a living!! LOL. But I need to give some time to caring for my body better -- better sleep, more exercise, etc. -- but it gets lost between the knowing and the doing because I'm cerebral by nature and I tend to literally ignore my body unless or until it SCREAMS at me otherwise. LOL!

It can be extremely hard to make time for yourself! Especially when you are caring toward others and genuinely concerned with their well-being. We tend to put our own needs on the back burner so to say (and believe me, with 8 children I know how hard it can be to manage your time efficiently...).
As far as exercise goes, join a gym and go early in the morning... most gyms open at like at 5:00am! It will be hard at first but after about three days you'll be sleeping like a baby at night, and you will have taken care of your body and gotten that out of the way before the day even starts for most people. You'll be done by about 6:30am and ready for whatever the day has to throw at you.

It works for me anyway...

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

As far as exercise goes, join a gym and go early in the morning... most gyms open at like at 5:00am! It will be hard at first but after about three days you'll be sleeping like a baby at night, and you will have taken care of your body and gotten that out of the way before the day even starts for most people. You'll be done by about 6:30am and ready for whatever the day has to throw at you.

It works for me anyway...

I know exactly what you're talking about -- back a few years when I was in the swing of things on that, that's exactly what I did. Not QUITE so early, but I was in the gym by 6:30, had my workout done by 7:15, went home, showered, got dressed for work, etc. and had NO trouble sleeping at all. I just need to get my behind in gear and get busy again! It's SOOO hard to start that up again after you've fallen out of the habit. In fact, EVEN AFTER establishing a good exercise habit & routine for nearly TWO YEARS what broke it, literally broke it, was ONE WEEK of falling out of the habit. JUST ONE WEEK!!! It was like after that, I could never get the habit back -- I'd try but it was all false starts -- I'd go for a day or two, forget, oversleep, etc. ARGH!

Of course it's especially hard for me because this is not a LIFELONG habit -- I was never a very athletic or physical person growing up or even in my younger adult years. I was driven to it out of necessity (metabolic slowdown, rapid weight gain starting) and it was difficult enough to establish the habit in the first place but I got to where I was doing morning workout 4-5x weekly, walking 2 miles EVERY day at lunch, and going to water aerobics 2x/week at night. The results were quite nice, actually. But it was TOTALLY "unnatural" for me to do any of that at all. Even though I got to where I enjoyed how it made me feel, etc. I STILL had to FIGHT myself constantly to just GO DO IT, even after a year of doing it. And here "experts" say it only takes 30 days to establish a new habit -- HAH!

 

[vespasia]

IMHO it takes less time to start a BAD habit and more for a GOOD habit HUMAN NATURE!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

One more slight problem -- in order to establish the habit at all, when I was doing this a few years back (summer 2001 - spring 2003) I had to create reasons for it which were meaningful to me. I was still into ceremonial magick at the time, and during the course of this I devised an entire subset magickal system based around the notion of a servitor race on the 147 current, made "contact" with that species, "channelled" that current, and worked the entire thing into a magickal working. I literally could not be bothered unless I subsumed the entire thing into a full blown occult operation.** This had repercussions in the world and resulted in tangible manifestations in human society .... I'm still trying to figure out what to do about that. I've now got an entire forum of over 7,000 members as a result. Not sure what to do about THAT, either.... :o I don't feel comfortable with it but can't bring myself to shut it down, either...................

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** (Obviously, that's not a viable option for me today.)

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I think God has His eyes on us, and before we come to Him, He watches over us and protects us.

I totally agree, HD!
It's back to that Psalm 139:7-8 thing again ...