Black Sheep Alliance

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I don't remember John Todd, sorry. Let me check out your links

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

During the early 1970s, Todd was one of a handful of speakers making the rounds in evangelical Christian circles warning young people against the occult. Like two other of those speakers, Hershel Smith and Mike Warnke (whose claims of being an ex-Satanist have likewise been disproven [3]), Todd claimed to have been a Satanic high priest before his conversion. In one meeting between Todd and Warnke, the two had a backstage confrontation and Todd accused Warnke of stealing his testimony regarding the Illuminati. [1] Todd also claimed that John F. Kennedy was still alive and that he had been Kennedy's "personal warlock."[2] Jack Chick created a comic book, "The Broken Cross," based on Todd's allegations that Satanists were taking over America. In 1973 allegations surfaced that he had been making sexual advances toward young women at Christian meetings and Jesus Movement coffeehouses, was incorporating witchcraft teachings into his Bible studies, was carrying a .38 handgun into church meetings, and was using drugs. After some Christian leaders who had promoted him took steps to distance themselves, including evangelist Doug Clark denouncing him on his television show, Todd dropped out of sight from evangelical Christianity.

Good grief.

I think there's got to be some sort of specific psychiatric disorder ALL these fruit loops share, the essence of which is a failure to distinguish between their fanciful metaphoric & literary devices versus LITERAL REALITY, hello.

The one I really want to take down is Fritz Springmeier and his scarlet woman, Cisco Wheeler. They're the ones that got that whole Project Monarch + SRA + MPD = Satan's Big Cheese nonsense going ....

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

AHHHH ... there it is: PSEUDOLOGICA PHANTASTICA.

Inconsistencies in Todd's testimony

Todd claimed to have served as a Green Beret in the Vietnam War; in fact, his discharge papers list him as a general clerk/typist and do not record him having been in Vietnam. Army medical reports referred to "emotional instability with pseudologica phantastica" (compulsive lying), difficulty in telling reality from fantasy, homicidal threats he had made on another, false suicide reports, and a severe personality disturbance. Todd also claimed in his testimony to have murdered an officer in Germany and to have escaped prison with the help of the Illuminati, but his records show no such things occurred.[3]

In 1979 Todd was arrested and later convicted for statutory rape and transporting a minor across a state line.
Todd's speaking engagements during 1978 and 1979 generated controversy and sometimes hysteria at the churches he spoke at. Frequently, there were claims by Todd of gunshots in the parking lot or attacks on Todd's life after the services, but there were no witnesses to confirm these claims made by Todd.

While Todd claimed to have left witchcraft in 1972 and converted to fundamentalist Christianity, accounts have him being baptized into a Oneness Pentecostal church in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968, and leading a Wiccan group in Ohio in 1976. When confronted with the latter by Christian evangelists, Todd said that he had gone through a period of "backsliding" during that time. However, when a number of other inconsistencies in Todd's story were reported in the evangelical Christian media, and Todd began denouncing many Christian leaders as part of the Satanic conspiracy or the Illuminati, most evangelists denounced Todd and cut off any further association; Jack Chick was the only influential evangelist to continue to defend Todd.[8] Another person who continued to defend Todd was Curtis B. Dall of Liberty Lobby, a political far-right group. [9]

Several evangelical Christian ministries investigated Todd's claims, found them ludicrous, and published articles documenting their findings; these include Cornerstone magazine, the Christian Research Institute, Christianity Today magazine, and the book The Todd Phenomenon by Darryl E. Hicks (with an introduction by Mike Warnke). Independent Baptist churches withdrew their speaking invitations and cut off contact.

And WHY are these ilk ALWAYS associated with that pustulent carbuncle Jack Chick, anyway???

 

[vespasia]

As a differant thinking 'sheep' I will have a go at translating visual concepts into verbal ones but heck right now I would give my eyeteeth for a decent Applemac and graphics programme.

Izarya,
This is an open forum open to ALL, the same problems that dog on the www apply here. Information posted here will be read and NOT understood and even misconstrued. I certainly did not speak oppenly about my 'path' as my expounded in illustrative form of the dark concepts I wrestled with un-nerved even those who had a genuine interest in metaphysics. If those fairrly bomb-proof people found it difficult to envisage then how much hardere it will be for those who have no visual point of referance to key in anything I may express.
It happened on the old ex-occultists forum so now i am very cauticous who I enter into any depth of communication with.

Moriah....meat eating in front of a sanquine...why dear....*coughs with a wry smile*
Having spent the first twelve months trying to make sense of Christ in utter isolation from all i knew and not being able to express ideas and concepts to Christians without scaring them silly was pretty crushing. It did however teach me to cling hard to Christ and use my ability to begin to newtwork and track even the smallest threads.

I dislike Bill for his adherance to the neo-classical market principles. Whatever is currently 'selling' with the Christian market place that man suddenly springs up as being an 'expert in' complete with DVDs, Books and nutritional supplements!
The only thing about him that does check out is alexandrian wicca but then he was only first degree. I could seriouslt shred his comments on alledged 'vampirism' and 'blood drinking'. I want to see his HIV tests and what about the wretched cannula scars from all the rotten IV antibiotics you end up with if you do 'imbibe in that lifestyle.
A man...blood magick ....*makes another hot cup of tea*

Ah that DVD.
Forbidden Knowledge, Occult Rituals, Secret Priesthoods, Spells, Luciferian Initiation,
Illuminism, Ceremonial Magick, Vampirism.
Nothing here that would not look out of place from a 1970's old hammer movie. Pure emotive sensational tabloid labels.
This was his world : Adept, Occultist, Satanic Priest, Black Magician, Vampire.
Well as one who was my field becomming nameless and faceless and a strigoi-vii who preferred to wrok in black blood and dark magicks let me see.
Lured into the occult with the quest for knowledge, this nine hour video chronicles the life of an
adept in service to the darkest powers of planet earth until saved from a horrible fate.
Good grief only an ADEPT.
Discover the preparation, initiation and the "bringing over" of the initiate into the world of vampirism.

(Note: This is about TRUE vampirism. Not just the kind of people who pretend to be vampires by

drinking blood ).Dear GOD, strigoi-vii is not Anne Rice!
The other-worldly initiation by a being of immense power that claimed him for its own.
The reality of vampires and werewolves and the positions they hold in the dark world of the occult.
Gosh its 95% lonely boring and pretty sad with the occasional trip to the STD clinic.
The lust and hunger of the true vampire and how it destroys its victims.
See point made above...the STD and blood borne infections are real pains to get under control. I want to see his HIV test certificates!

Oh and be VERY sure before you ask Ves anything you REALLY want to know......

Oh....I will locate a copy of the article on this and post it here.

 

[vespasia]

I have been asked to present this Vampire Thread. I am happy to oblige at the request of other Ex-Sanguines and Forum administrators. I pray this is an educational experience for those who requested this knowledge and that they are able to grow wiser from it.

BEFORE YOU READ ANY FURTHER PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A "HOW-TO" ARTICLE. THE DANGERS OF THIS LIFESTYLE FAR OUTWEIGH ANY REASONS TO DISCUSS THIS ON A "FAMILY" ORIENTED PUBLIC FORUM.

[FONT=&quot]So you want to know about vampires.

Most people of the fluffy sort do not care to know or educate themselves in the ways of the Sanguine. When they do, they just blunder through it in such a horrid way, self-centred and seeking to have their knowledge spoon-fed to them. They are themselves of a lazy nature and are used to having people shape the world in a way that melds around them and their thoughts and beliefs. They are baffled when others insist they are further complicating an already touchy subject and dangerously playing with the lives and emotions of others.

It is for these reasons others and I do not wish to go into this subject. I usually decline in discussing the Vampire Sub-Culture. But as I am beginning to recognize a very STUPID trend on this forum by some, I feel it is in the best interest of EVERYONE to post this.

Before you even voice a query, I shall tell you why I feel I am qualified to approach this subject, I am Christian Goth and an Ex-Sanguine. Many already know that I am an Ex-Satanist and you would do well to not ask me questions concerning that. It is a far cry from Wicca and most forms of Paganism and I do not wish to share anything on the open forum that others may gain knowledge from. My Goddess was Lilith and if that doesn't give you a hint I'm not sure what does.

I gave up such practices a long time ago and do not wish to go into the persecution I suffered as a Vampire or as an Ex-Vampire. There is no reason to open old wounds of mine and others to satisfy curiosity of those seeking to witness a freak show or be allowed inside to what they have mistakenly perceived to be a Petting Zoo when in reality they are entering into the cage of an unrestrained Jaguar. And yes there are those that pass through and view it as a freak show. The loaded gun theory that has been voiced is not so far removed from reality as some would guess.

As for why Vampire? Well it tis a funny thing actually. I am allergic to the sun on a very LARGE scale and allergic to sunscreens to boot. I am photosensitive and very fair and a bit of a night owl. This does NOT automatically make one a Vampire, it just happens to be what I am and suffer from while I am ex-Vampire. I was Goth a very young age, even before I knew what that was or had even really acquired much knowledge on the subculture. It was just the niche I happened to fall into. And then as I grew older I embraced it. I was also persecuted for being a Christian Goth and being young and dumb I went so far south of Christian in my anger that I grew to embrace even more things and was introduced to Bloodletting by a gal friend of mine and then a boyfriend who was very much into that scene. Not the best way to speed things along in the safest of directions, but that is how it happened. And everything else just fell into place. I blame no one for the path I took in my youth or even my past transgressions, I had a choice and I did not choose wisely.
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[FONT=&quot]Vampires are not all beautiful, un-dead creatures that roam the night; killing any human they feel worthy to be a meal. Actually they are the guys next door. They're the Smiths and the Jones' of the world. They blend in and they play by the rules. They pay bills. They have house and car payments. They have jobs and they have worries. They live normal, living, breathing lives and do all normal human things for the most part.

Vampirism is not the Anne Rice fantasy, and yes I love her novels as I take them for fantasy and grew up in the Southern USA. I also recognize the stories as more about people and less about Vampires. They are wonderful to entertain the mind with but nothing to live by. If only others would do the same.

Vampires are also not the brooding tormented souls as we neither see with Lestat or Louis of the Rice books nor are they the cursed Angel we see on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. We are discussing real human beings that view society as donors and lunch on legs. I am not going to include the stick and lick vampires, as they like to play with the icky but not submerge themselves in it, so often they are of no real consequence and not accepted by the Sanguine Community.

There is nothing glamorous or romantic about the life of the Vampire, far from it. There is NO power in it.

None at all.

Unless you want to call taking advantage of people so that you can cut them and drink deeply of their wounds powerful. The Vampire is a user, an abuser, and a self-centred type of person. They live from one hunt to the next, from one feed to the next feed. They are part of one of the most self-destructive lifestyles out there. Humans are simply warm vessels of blood to them. They may keep their donors willing and sweet and placated but do not really give a darn one way or the other about them.

All humans are but a tool to sate the craving. I know the above paragraph sounds rather horrid but then again honesty usually does. When one is not seeking to lure you into or out of something, it kind of loses its mystery and allure. Opposition ALWAYS breeds infatuation.

The Vampire Sub-culture is a very private one. And those who are ex-Sanguine or ex-vampires or what have you, do not wish to discuss it, not with outsiders, or Fluffies, and talk guardedly with Ex-Sanguines until they size them up first. Can you blame them?

And oh look, here is the sad-sad-sad unveiling of truth and exposure to the lack of Glamour and Decadance: Vampires are simply humans who blood let and drink and often travel in the Goth circuits and some of the sex circuits-but they view it as a Sanguinarian McDonalds more than anything. They prowl from feed to feed.
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[FONT=&quot]|Vampires are organic life forms called humans. They are vulnerable to human ailments, including AIDS and other blood-borne diseases. ALL VAMPIRES ARE MORTAL! However, drinking blood is not the easiest way to contract HIV. Blood-borne diseases are transmitted by direct contact between infected bodily fluids and the recipient's bloodstream. Science is constantly in debate on transmission methods of the plethora of virus' and bacteria. Unprotected oral sex, including [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], is the lowest risk form of unprotected sex. This does not mean NO risk. You can contract blood-borne diseases orally if you have any kind of open sore, abrasion, or cut in your mouth. This allows an infected body fluid direct contact with your bloodstream. If you have bleeding gums, or if you ate a bag of potato chips recently, due to the tiny cuts in your mouth, your risk will be higher. Barrier protection, or a "Dental Dam" is still strongly advised for oral sex. Similarly, experienced blood drinkers strongly recommend that "donors" be people known to you, and that they undergo testing for HIV, hepatitis, and other blood-borne diseases.

You run into MANY problems when prowling the club scenes. Vampirism in today’s society has it's links to the various fetish scenes, the eccentric, and the gay / lesbian subcultures. So, with so many people who are into sex, and then the drugs, which are more and more requiring injection, you are playing with fire.

This just gets to be so lacking in Romance and Mystery and Glamour as we go along doesn't it?

You are looking at a greater risk of acquiring many of the blood-borne diseases or more if you do partake of a donor and/or engage in sexual activities. Remember risk reduction precautions are just that. NOTHING is a sure deal of stopping infection. Syphilis, the various forms of Hepatitis, of which the number of variants seem to grow monthly, as well as HIV, AIDS, Gonorrhoea (through sex not drinking) , PID, non-gyleccocal urethritis, Malaria, trypanosoma cruzi and any babesia protozoan you wish to play with (think lymes disease but with more ATTITUDE. The babesias in Europe have a higher fatality rate than in the US they are nastier)

If that is not enough stop and consider the Epstein barr and herpes viruses and do not forget the CJD!(see encephalitis variants) Trust me, being a Vamp with a STD or blood borne disease is FAR from decadent. You must wait until you are well (IF it's a curable disease!) before you can feed or you run the risk of contaminating your community and/or donors. The equivalent of shatting in your nest.

Many of the above that can be treated will often prove to be uncontrollable with oral antibiotics in most cases. You shall be having a nice hospital stay with intravenous antibiotics being pumped into you. This in itself can cause tissue damage and scarring. See canula scars. Not ALL of these infections can be cleared up. Often, it's a case of trying to control them instead of cure them. Do not think that risks should EVER be taken thinking that medicine will make it go away, unh unhuh, nope you may treat something’s and send it into remission but many can and will lay dormant. Think of PID or Chlymidia or various forms of Lyme disease and once again the list just goes on and on and on.

Darn we still aren't finding that beautiful part of living the Sanguine life. Those who are donors need to realize that THEY are at risk for infection of a number of diseases as much as the Vampire drinking. Is that Crystal Clear? Or do I need to elaborate people?
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[FONT=&quot]MANY insurance companies will turn you down and denied coverage if it is known you are practicing such a dangerous and unhealthy lifestyle. And you dare not donate blood for fear of having been in a window at your last screening for diseases. Even blood scanned by medical personnel can slip through tainted. And donating your organs could run a similar risk. Yes there have been cases where infected organs passed when checked and then contaminated their recipient. So not only are you risking infecting the Sanguine Community and donors you are also putting the innocent at risk. These are the consequences you risk for wanting to live a supposedly mysterious and unique lifestyle.

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[vespasia]

[FONT=&quot]However, there are factions who might be tempted to accuse blood drinking vampiresof endangering the public health through the spread of disease, especially AIDS. Such accusations are practically baseless and inflammatory. Blood drinking is less likely to create a vector for HIV transmission than unprotected anal sex (the most high-risk sexual activity). But the lifestyle is still VERY dangerous on many levels. You will be encouraged to test EVERY month for STD's and the like. With proper precautions observed--and blood vampires are no more interested in dying than anybody else! Responsible bloodvampires present at most a mild danger to the public welfare, Addicts present a much greater danger, as does the gay male populace when precautions are not taken or mildly invested in. The lesbian populace has a much lower risk of contracting or spreading any of the above. Unless they are Sanquine, and even then it is not as great as if they were Bi or Straight Heterosexual. Check the health statistics on this.

You must also take into account that as a Vampire you must treat your donors well. There are rules of etiquette to be followed in this Subculture, but no moral aspect in any true form. Donors who are not careful with whom to share their blood with may run the risk of allowing themselves open to infection or tissue damage. The human mouth has more germs than I care to list. If the Vampire you allow to drink from you does not practise proper oral hygiene you will run a risk of infection. (Drink NOT sucks, as you will be risking extreme tissue damage with this) Patch or Bleed kits are to be kept at hand, as well as making sure that the razor, knife, blade, scalpel, etc. is sterilized.

A human can be infected with Syphilis for years and not realize it. I have know some to discover it all to late and their brain be Swiss cheese for lack of a better term. It is for these and other reasons one MUST be tested monthly or at the VERY LEAST once every 3 months. One must realize that this sort of scene to become involved in and embrace is far from romantic and even less Entertaining as some would have it portrayed.

You need to understand that as a Sanguine you will grow to view your human counterparts as nothing more than lunch or vessels to be tapped into for their blood.Vampires tend to be Goths but not always by any means, and Goths are the ones most likely to fall into this BUT NOT ALWAYS. Understand? The Goth Sub-Culture has fewer that are Sanguine than the Sanguine have Goths. The Sanguine have a very small subculture worldwide. Once again check the statistics.

DoVampires Kill people and drain their blood?
NO! Incompetent as they may be portrayed on television most cops in the real world are smart. Current forensic techniques can track blood traces that go back 3-5 years OR MORE. A vampire is not going to ruin his life with a random murder for blood. Also, you have to remember that vampires grow up in human families, with normal friends, and normal lives. Vampires live in and around society and will have the same morals instilled in them as any other. Yes it is possible that some might not be as moral as others-after all, "normal" humans can be serial killers. Accidents have occurred of course but that is normal; it would be odd if NO accidents ever occurred. Most vampires are well versed in the care of a donor after the letting.

Vampires are very private people. Can you blame them? Even the Ex's are private and do not wish to be bothered with silly hurtful IMMATURE questions such as:

Can you change shape? Well can YOU Change Shape?
Do you know Lestat?
Do you worship the Devil?
Can you turn people into Vampires?
How old are you....REALLY?
Does garlic-crosses-Holy Water have an ill effect on you?
Is there really such a thing as an Awakening? (URBAN MYTH)
Can you feed off people's psychic energy? (Where do these stupid ideas come from and who is selling this rubbish on such a grand scale to where it is sucked down without a reasonable thought?)
Do you believe in reincarnation? Do you believe you are Vlad Tepes, Dracula, Nosferatu incarnate? (No you silly sods, this is not the way of things)
Do you sleep in a coffin?
Can you make or turn ME into a Vampire? (uuuhhhgggg)
And the list just goes on and on, but you get the picture.

But I digress in the above.
Back to business. It is also the duty of Vampire to clean up their messes. From bloodstains on the sofa, to the wall, to floor, to clothing, you name it. These present a health risk if left unattended. As you can see, this is a VERY unglamorous lifestyle. Not like the lovely movies where your skin just soaks the crimson stuff up without nary a drop being spilled. This is the real world and this is the reality of the Sanguine.

Vampiresdo not to disclose themselves to many of the public at large. Should a Vampire talk to others about themselves and the community, the motive is usually for selfish reasons such as self-promotion, sensationalism, and attention getting. This lifestyle is not for everyone. Vamps must take care in whom they choose to bring into it. Those who are mentally or emotionally unstable have no place among them. They are dangerous and unreliable and may betray them in the future.

Understand that when a Sanguine has become an ex or no longer practicing Vampire, they will no longer be able to ingest blood on the scale they once did and the blood will curdle on the stomach and vomiting will follow. If a (practicing) Sanguine over ingests blood in a ravenous Bloodlust, the same will occur.

[/FONT] Bloodlust has been compared to several addictions, for as an alcoholic or heroin addict craves, so can a Vampire. Bloodlust is a condition where you are "jonesing" for a fix, only blood in this sense. Blood is all you want. You dream of it. You think of it non-stop. You count all the places you can get it from and want only to drown in big crimson pools of the stuff. If you are an ex-vamp as I am, you will find yourself locked in a room at your own hand or instruction, eating the rare steak where the flame has barely licked it and finding any and all things to substitute the want for blood that drives you mad. Sedatives are always nice to have on hand from the doctor, as it will keep you from hurting yourself or/and others. You are compelled to feed; it is a great physical need like none other. Nuff said. (And that does not even begin to encompass how it feels!)

Even worse are those in society who are looking for the next form of mind-blowing sexual kink and infiltrate the Vampire Subculture and others, with their delusions of grandeur and dirty habits and tastes. This is the equivalent of a pervert converting to Paganism so that they may run sky clad with the lovely men and women. Worse yet some try to mix vampirism and sex to attempt to reach a whole new level involving Majik. Some try to mix Vampirism with: sexualised urination, Scat play (involving faeces), Sadomasochism in the extremist of ways, group sex, extreme Bondage, Sounding, oxygen deprived La Petite`Morte, etc. BAD IDEA!!! These are the fiends you must be wary of as well. Oh for fun! More diseases coming into the mix. And don't forget the psychos and mentally unstable or deficient that are looking to belong to a Sanguine Coven for ALL the WRONG reasons!

So what we truly have here ladies and gentlemen is a Sub-Culture that is neither mysterious, beautiful, glamorous, nor even romantic. The best you could hope for is erotic in a very dark and unpleasant way for most. Not only is it dangerous but deadly. Self-centred, self-destructive, narcissistic, isolated lifestyle that is sordid and utterly horrid. Its visits to STD clinics and checks for HIV and AIDS. Hours are spent prowling on the hunt and sizing up lunch opportunities and using people for your very own selfish little ends. It’s about living from feast to feast and using and abusing and sinking deeper and deeper into a bottomless abyss. Many mistakenly confuse this lifestyle as if it has power. Those reading the romanticized novels erroneously think that control can be had of others through a vampirical magik, and the refusal of the practicing and ex Sanguines to share such information is revelling in it. No. Not that at ALL.

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[vespasia]

[FONT=&quot]I will post the end when I have editted it out.
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[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

WELL aside from being informative, truthful, BLUNT and well-written, I would have to say if those articles do NOT completely put the kibosh on someone's apple-cheeked, goth-wannabe, dreamy-eyed fantasies about Sanguine lifestyle, nothing else will.

A terrific cold bucket of water, that!!

 

[vespasia]

* Ah bless...normally my descriptions of the REALITY of the sanquine lifestyle have people asking for a bucket

There are still times I need to use blasted antibiotics and my blood is considered a 'very hazardous substance' think that is bad you should see how much i have to pay for health insurance.
I cannot afford to travel out of the UK I can NOT afford the health insurance premiums to cover other countries. It would cost me more than the flight and other stuff combeined.

Now show me Bills HIV test results canula scars and maybe the 'bite' marks left by rabid phelobotmists(sp)and his premiums for his lifstyle.....

 

[izarya]

I had very little idea of what really goes on in such circles! I had thought that the only or main form of vampirism practiced within the Goth community was "psychic vampirism."

Thank you for posting this! I feel a little more informed...not as comfortable, but better informed.

 

[izarya]

Now show me Bills HIV test results canula scars and maybe the 'bite' marks left by rabid phelobotmists(sp)and his premiums for his lifstyle.....

He also said that he was a 9° Rosicrucian, or Magus (9)=[2]… I happen to know that the higher degrees, namely those of the third order which consist of the grades that correspond to the spheres of Binah, Chokmah, and Kether are mainly “theoretical grades” in that they are said to be comprised only of non-living members of the Society and are not attainable in reality by any living person.

But that is small in comparison to what Vespasia just said.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

He sure looks an awful lot like someone I used to see around the OTO ... but I'm sure it's just a surface resemblance. LOL.

 

[vespasia]

Went into onbe of the larger cities today....had a look at Christian bookshops...acres on 'spritual warfare' and could I find one sane 'how to witness to a satanist type book....NOPE....

Rather depressing.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

WE need to get WRITING.

Although I confess, outside of many things I would strongly advise NOT doing ... I am not sure I could offer any *positive* advice on how to witness to an occultist/satanist/LHP type ... I mean beyond the obvious (love them in the Lord like you would anyone else you wanted to "win over", etc.) ............

In other words if I were to write on the subject I worry my writing would be full of "whatever you do, DON'T try THIS" stuff and not enough practical useful things one CAN do which are demonstratively successful (defining successful as not sending them running for a barf bag with 10x the load of hate against God as they had before!)

Hmmmm.

 

[izarya]

I have been working on something, that is more than likely being accepted by Llewellyn however (I am doing a second revision on it for them currently). It is more of a 'bridge' work so to say. The results of my own personal studies and journey between Christianity, Orthodox Judaism and mysticism; and an exploration of their ties and similarities.
The problem for US is this...
If we come across too cognizant, not as 'wacky' as what is currently out there, the Christian publishers are afraid, and say that we are too "occulty."
On the other hand, Pagan and Occulty publishers say that we are too "religious."
I just happen to have contacts that have published many works through Llewellyn and Weiser because of my past "affiliations," that's the only reason they are giving me a chance here.

 

[vespasia]

Llewellyn...................LCD on the whole but that IMO.

 

[izarya]

Llewellyn...................

Yeah, I know. But as I said, the Christian based publishers are rather 'sheepish' when it comes to such subjects. It would seem that the more outlandish and impractical your approach or treatment of the matter the more they are inclined to give you an ear. When you demystify mysticism they turn away.

LCD on the whole but that IMO.

Pardon my internet acronym ignorance...what the heck is LCD? Other than a liquid crystal display that is....

 

[Tenebrae]

Black sheep checking in

I'm really not sure where the last two weeks have gone

 

[vespasia]

LCD sorry 'lowest common denominator'

Christian publishers...ah yes.... and their preferred method of using the propergators of the old unsubstantiated suppositions that travel the world each quoting each the other in cicular support reinforcing the stupidity that STOPS the gospel of Christ being heard by those still out there.

*How DARE I say I saw no differance between WoF and magick except for the label of the 'tool' being used*

Yes I have meet 'christian journalists' and I have NOT been impressed.......

 

[Tenebrae]

It alarms me how much that idea is propagated in the DM folder, and also in real life. People speak passionately against the occult, yet in the same breath perform something akin to magick, but with christian terminology and christian jargon which somehow makes it acceptable.