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Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by patrick jane, Feb 25, 2018.

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  1. JackRT

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    Nothing in science can ever be proven --- that is the domain of mathematics and the distillers of alcohol. However, in a very sensitive experiment in second year physics (1962) my lab partners (Richard G. and Richard S. --- aka "Little Rich" and "Big Rich") and I did confirm Newton's law of Gravity within a fraction of 1%.
     
  2. Hieronymus

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    Oops ! :doh::doh::doh:I somehow read 'disappear'.
    I'm sorry. :oops:
    Yeah i agree.
    But when everything goes it's normal little way, and people are content and not really in need of God, the unbelievers don't care and the believers have little to offer i.m.o.
    People find themselves wondering about God and their fate when peril stares them in the eyes.
    At least, speaking for myself, i started seeking Truth when my life had totally collapsed.
    And now i can help others with hope and faith when they are in a rough spot.
     
  3. patrick jane

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    Flat Earth ( A Christian's Guide to the Truth)
    From Video Description : Hopefully this video will reveal the obvious Truth that most of us, at least in the U.S.A, have been missing all of this time! Let's keep exposing the GREAT LIE!! Send comments to


    15 Minutes -
     
  4. patrick jane

    patrick jane MAD Bible Believer Supporter

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    People might be more apt to seek God if they thought the earth was flat like the Bible says. It puts earth and mankind at the center of creation pointing directly to Jesus Christ who created all things.
     
  5. Sanoy

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    The tower of Babel didn't reach heaven in the linear sense. "To the heavens" was just an expression. We see it also in Deuteronomy 9:1. “Hear, O Israel: you are to cross over the Jordan today, to go in to dispossess nations greater and mightier than you, cities great and fortified up to heaven,"
     
  6. Hieronymus

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    WRONG
    You can't EXPLAIN it.
    You can prove it by letting go of an object: It will drop.
    Unless it's a helium balloon, but that's because of buoyancy, which is because of gravity.
    Indeed. It must come down due to...?? GRAVITY.
    Who are you kidding?
    I was the experiment guy for phyisics in a college for 5 years.
    I have demonstrated these things in real time, with real objects.
    Yeah, aerodynamics for flight.
    If your aerodynamics are wrong, what will happen? It will not fly, it will be pulled down by.... (drum roll)... GRAVITY.
     
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  7. patrick jane

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    Genesis 11:1-9 KJV -
    And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

    2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

    3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

    4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

    5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

    6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

    7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

    8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

    9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lordscatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
    God doesn't use "expressions", allegory, "stories" or false information because the Bible authors were dumb and easily confused. I believe God uses exactly the perfect words and chooses them perfectly.

    KJV Dictionary Definition: face
    face
    FACE, n. L., to make.

    1. In a general sense, the surface of a thing, or the side which presents itself to the view of a spectator; as the face of the earth; the face of the waters.

    2. A part of the surface of a thing; or the plane surface of a solid. Thus, a cube or die has six faces an octahedron has eight faces.

    3. The surface of the fore part of an animals head, particularly of the human head; the visage.

    In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread. Genesis 3.

    Joseph bowed himself with his face to the earth. Genesis 48.

    4. Countenance; cast of features; look; air of the face.

    We set the best face on it we could.

    5. The front of a thing; the forepart; the flat surface that presents itself first to view; as the face of a house. Ezekiel 41.

    6. Visible state; appearance.
     
  8. patrick jane

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    Great, you have no need to be here. Please read the first post in this thread. This thread is Biblical. Prove your points here with scripture. My Conspiracy thread is for science and technology and mathematics. After all, it IS a Conspiracy theory.
     
  9. patrick jane

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    Weight and density and mass, Sherlock.
     
  10. Sanoy

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    I don't understand what you are trying to say.
     
  11. patrick jane

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    Everything they imagined they would accomplish, Kinda like now. Coning humans, changing DNA etc. God promised a great flood would never happen again. This time, He's coming back. They already tried to smash through the dome with nuclear warheads in the early 60s. The reality is, NASA is Fake, we never sent men to the moon, all pictures of earth are CGI and photo shopped, we can't get out of low earth orbit.
    3 minutes - I can find better, longer videos that explain much more about the "operations all started at the same time and "new agencies" including NASA right after the image below the short video.

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  12. Zoii

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    What frustrates me about many Christians is that they develop an idea and then scan the bible for some verses to fit their world view. For a start the bible is a spiritual text, never intended to be a scientific compendium that would address our future through the millenniums. It had no concepts of Einsteins theorems, satellites or space travel.

    So what your doing is dismissing any objective evidence in favour of some verses that are obtuse enough to make them fit your world view.

    I hear it time and again no matter the topic: guns, immigration; evolution; gender equality. When you look at western nations you see the rapid rise of atheism and the decline of Christianity - is it any wonder.
     
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  13. majj27

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    PROTIP: Scientific investigation in Antarctica is not just about "some ice".
     
  14. Hieronymus

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    I now suspect you're a troll who hacked Patrick Jane's account.
    But i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    So let me tell you:
    When i was introduced to the flat earth thing, i was open to the concept, because afterall, and despite people claiming otherwise, the Bible gives us a flat earth model: a plane on pilars, with a dome over it.
    And indeed, NASA has some pretty ambiguous pictures and videos, and they probably are luciferian high freemasons, and serious doubts are raised regarding the moon missions and space stations, by people who have thoroughly analysed the video and photographic evidence and what not.
    And yes, sometimes you can see further than you would expect on a globe (probably due to the air being denser close to the surface, refraction bending the light), and even from an aeroplane on relatively short trips it's not really very evident that it's a sphere.
    I know. So i took it seriously, and i have watched hours of flat earth videos and what not.
    And i wasn't discouraged by people who seem to actually believe there is no gravity, while living on the same planet as i do.
    I mean, there are crazy people in every group, so that doesn't matter.

    But there are some essential points that they can not explain within a flat earth model.
    I have emailed flat earth 'experts' with these questions, assuming they could at least point me to some explanation.
    But i got irate replies telling me i should do more research and that they have no time to spoon feed people...
    Evasion. Dodging. They just have no answers to the things that also have been pointed out in this topic.

    I was disappointed.
    I personally prefer the flat earth, because it's in the Bible, consistently.
    And i know the world propagates lies under the guise of science, like dead unconscious forces unintentionally creating life which unintentionally writes its own specialized data (DNA) by randomly corrupting it, bringing forth an immensely complex system consisting of immensely complex systems, also known as "living nature".
    Or like the whole quantum riddle which is based on unwarranted assumptions, but somehow teams up with evolutionary thinking and the human quest to become immortal gods (new age etc.).
    And there are more things 'the powers that shouldn't be' have hijacked science for.
    So i tried, my friend, i tried.
    But the flat earth fails the test. It is impossible.
    The spinning sphere passes the test, and leaves you without unanswered essential questions.
     
  15. patrick jane

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    Nope, I'm not making the scriptures say anything. God says what He says clearly and plainly. I posted a video a page or 2 or 3 back with 200 scientific proofs. I'm not basing this possibility on scripture alone. I'm not saying believing it's possible is required for salvation and I'm not getting any benefit whatsoever by doing this. I get the same response as you from most people so it doesn't faze me. God knows the intent of my heart and this thinking does nothing to change my doctrine or diminish my faith.

    If you were an unbeliever and heard of this, investigated and saw that it's possible, would you not think of a creator and God and therefore the Lord Jesus Christ. I have a Conspiracy thread for science and technology evidence for and against flat eart or globe and this thread for scripture. I have the "keep a word change a word" thread for fun, and I have a "Dispensational Doctrine" thread to share my faith and beliefs. I take this very seriously.
     
  16. Zoii

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    I must say I had a reasonable faith until I came to CF. Since then I have seen such outrageous things stated in Gods name with requisite verses to match, that I find Christians and Christianity increasingly alienating and fast approaching cave-man status.
     
  17. Halbhh

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    What verses can even be construed to seem as if flat Earth that aren't really obvious metaphor, like "four corners" , "pillars" etc. ?

    If we totally ignore the clear use of metaphors?

    So much changes when people simply read full chapters. It's so much easier to understand if one reads like they would need to in order to comprehend any book well.
     
  18. The Times

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    That is incorrect. The measured electromagnetic radiation pattern of objects point to two facts, one is, that they are spinning and secondly the shape of the object.

    Take for example these two engineering experiments.....

    A current running through a wire determines the shape of the magnetic field and the directional spin of the electromagnetic pattern. If the current is reversed, then the pattern remains the same, but the spin direction changes. A current clamp meter that measures current around an insulated wire, determines the current amplitude and direction of current from positive to negative electrodes. The current clamp meter uses the electromagnetic radiation pattern and spin to determine this. As shown below....

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    The second experiment is with an induction motor. The rotor that spins is induced current from the fixed stator that converts electrical current, like the wire example above, through hundreds of winded wires, to produce an electromagnetic radiation pattern that moves and as it moves it creates a dragging slip effect on the rotor windings, who are being induced in creating magnetic polarization, which is alternating between North and South poles, thereby producing a push/pull effect which produces the turning moments of the rotor to drive, let us say a conveyor belt. If the stator currents are reversed, then the rotor spin is reversed.
    The pictures below highlight these facts......

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    So the shape of the earth and its spin is based on the same engineering modelling of the 3 phase induction motor. So the shape of the electromagnetic pattern and spin, dictates the positioning of poles and the shape of earth. The principal for the earth is, that of the rotor in the magnetizing of the solid inner iron core and the lower mantle, which is the stator and the induction is happening between the solid inner core and the lower mantle and the slip is happening on the buffered high temperature fluid core. In the case of earth, since nothing is holding down the lower mantle, then it too is through momentum following the rotation of solid inner core.

    We live in an electric universe, where perturbations are happening between these electrodmagnetic heavenly bodies.
     
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  19. patrick jane

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    As I said in the OP, I'm on the fence but defending flat earth for now because I defended the globe for nearly 50 years. I'm not a troll and I don't know how to hack. This is a very uncomfortable topic for 99% of the people I present it to. We're all in love with the globe. I let it go and it's liberating. I'm here to discuss facts and scripture proving we're NOT on a flying spinning ball. I've heard all your arguments before I came here and they don't convince me.

    Do me a favor in the next week or next weekend. Spend a day or a few hours searching for proof and confirmation of flat earth and let the science, math and the globe go temporarily. Search for flat earth proof for a bit and if you still feel the same way at least you will get answers to most of your questions. Open the the 200 proofs video, copy the url and open a new tab. Watch little bits at a time for a few days. 200 flat earth proofs. I think you'll find that there are MORE essential things NASA and science can't explain. Exactly how does the flat earth fail in your studies?
     
  20. patrick jane

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    That does not prove a globe. You're not the first one debatiing flat earth to come up with that.
     
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