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Bible says science cannot possibly know how many years since creation

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by dad, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. Speedwell

    Speedwell Well-Known Member

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    We can't. All we can tell is were the star was and what it was doing billions of years ago when the photons we are seeing just now left it.
     
  2. Justatruthseeker

    Justatruthseeker Newbie Supporter

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    Stars, galaxies whatever you want it to be....

    Scientists simply admit they have no hope of knowing before 380,000 years after the Big Bang because protons, neutrons and electrons to make stars and galaxies had not yet formed....
     
  3. Justatruthseeker

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  4. Justatruthseeker

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    No, because the light you see depending on distance was the star sometime in our past.

    Even light from the sun takes 8.3 minutes to reach earth. So you are not seeing the sun as it is now, but as it was 8.3 minutes ago.... and where it was 8.3 minutes ago. By the time you see the sunrise the sun is already 8.3 minutes further above the horizon.

    also every star beyond our own appears as a point of light due to distance, not an actual disc.

    All but a few, but they want you to believe there are 10,000 stars in the center and billions in the ring....

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  5. Kylie

    Kylie Atheist and Proud

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    I'm just looking for something that shows that the Bible is actually divinely inspired. Stating the obvious or stating something that can never be shown doesn't cut it.
     
  6. Kylie

    Kylie Atheist and Proud

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    So if the Bible says that we will never know anything about a particular thing, and then we find out about that particular thing, will that convince you that the Bible is wrong?

    Of course, I'm willing to bet that the things the Bible says we can't know about are things which don't really exist.
     
  7. dad

    dad On the winning side Supporter

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    Yes. When we see you know more than God, we can toss out the bible.
    Hard to win that bet.
     
  8. Kylie

    Kylie Atheist and Proud

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    And will we ever find out anything about a thing that the Bible says is unknowable?

    [/quote]Hard to win that bet.[/QUOTE]

    Please tell me what things that the Bible says are unknowable then?
     
  9. Justatruthseeker

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    Nothing ever will. Your mind is set in stone and no amount of evidence would convince you. Even the study of the things that exist which show his invisible attributes.....

    Romans 1:20

    Even the awesome power to cause nothing to move things in all directions. But you’ll insist on treating it like a ponderable medium capable of movement while claiming it’s not a ponderable medium..... then insist only the absolute motion through nothing matters while insisting absolute motion does not exist.... then claim it’s all substantive yet that would mean motion with or through amount to the the same thing.... then argue it’s relative to this nothing, you got no idea what it actually is...... then argue water accelerating a boat is not the same mechanics as this nothing accelerating a boat, even if the analogies are exactly the same...... then when someone refuses to accept your self conflicting arguments, because they are conflicting, the excuse of its always the other guy that can’t comprehend will rear up...... excuses will always abound.....
     
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  10. dad

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    His ways are past finding out.

    Job 5:9 - Which doeth great things and unsearchable; marvellous things without number:

    Ro 11:33 - O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

    Isa 55:9 -For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.




    Where does God live? Where did He come from? How long does it take Him to cross the universe? Etc etc. How would you expect science to begin to know?
     
  11. Justatruthseeker

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    If the CMB is supposedly from beyond the most distant galaxies, and all radiation originating beyond our local cluster shows only redshift due to their claim of expanding space.....

    Then what would you conclude if the only blueshift observed comes from within our local cluster, yet they tell you the CMB shows blueshift?????

    That only this radiation is immune from the effects of expansion, or that it originated from at least within our local cluster??? Or the third option that their entire belief of what causes cosmological redshift is flawed, which still leads back to choice two for the CMB....
     
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  12. dad

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    I might ask for evidence that something they claim exists (in this case, apparently blue shift) so we see that it indeed does exist I suppose.
     
  13. dad

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    You know it was space expanding that is responsible for redhifting...because...?
     
  14. Grumman Tomcat

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  15. Kylie

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    Excuse me, it's not your place to tell me what I am and am not going to accept as evidence. It is not your place to tell me that I am closed minded. It's actually very rude of you. And you are wrong anyway. Any testable evidence which can be verified will convince me.

    Let me ask you - what would convince you that you are wrong?

    You seem to lack the required knowledge about this topic. Let me try to make it clear.

    Boats on a river stay in the same position relative to each other.

    Ants on an inflating balloon move relative to each other.

    Thus, the boat analogy you presented is not an accurate representation of what is happening in an expanding universe.
     
  16. Kylie

    Kylie Atheist and Proud

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    So you can't actually give me any examples then.

    If you want science to answer those questions, you must first show that these are valid questions. It makes no sense to try to determine where God lives or where he came from if he doesn't actually exist. So please provide conclusive evidence that he exists, otherwise the question makes about as much sense as trying to figure out where Darth Vader lives, or where Voldemort lives.
     
  17. FrumiousBandersnatch

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    Because physics.
     
  18. Justatruthseeker

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    it does indeed, but only from sources of radiation from within our local cluster..... So if the CMB contains blue shift?????
     
  19. Justatruthseeker

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  20. Justatruthseeker

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    And yet you are convinced with no testable evidence that expansion is the cause of cosmological redshift. While using the Doppler claim of velocity, while saying the velocity is not actually a velocity.....

    It is not your place to tell me that I lack the required knowledge. It's actually very rude of you. And you are wrong anyway. Any testable evidence which can be verified will convince me.

    Let me ask you - what would convince you that you are wrong?

    Except when the river magically expands in all directions in analogy to your magic expanding space, yes?

    And yet you only want to consider the ants absolute motion as being of any concern, while claiming it is substantive, which would mean any motion at all has an affect.

    Its the same, you just refuse to apply the same analogy that the river is flowing in all directions at an increasing rate....

    I could say the same about your balloon, since there are ants above and below the balloon surface. Although you seemed to have no problem with understanding it wasnt reality, just analogy, yet can't understand an analogy of a river flowing in all directions as a balloon surface moves in all direction.. except inwards, yet the reality would require just that....

    You seem to conveniently accept only the analogies you choose to.
     
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