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Bible says science cannot possibly know how many years since creation

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by dad, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. usexpat97

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    Kylie said, "you think the Bible is special because it stated the obvious?" Then Bungle Bear says it isn't obvious. It isn't true. They need to get their stories straight.
     
  2. Justatruthseeker

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    Sure, where is yours????

    How Close to the Big Bang Can We See?

    “And though we may spy flickers of the first stars, you don't have to go much deeper into cosmic history to encounter the ultimate limit to how far back we can ever see. As it turns out, we have already "seen" it. This cosmic dead end occurs at about 380,000 years post-big bang and is known as the epoch of recombination. Before this time, the universe was still too hot for electrons and protons to pair up and form the most basic atom, hydrogen. And unbound electrons scatter light. So, until those first hydrogen atoms came onto the scene, scientists think, the cosmos was an opaque soup of energy. Only afterward did the universe became transparent to light—light that was free to stream into our telescopes.”

    So we can never see the beginning by their own admission since without light to observe.....

    Unless you choose to chuck that theory and all of cosmology out the window.....
     
  3. Bungle_Bear

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    Do you understand the difference in meaning between "it isn't obvious" and "it isn't true"? I'm not convinced you do, so perhaps you should spend some time finding out before you comment again.
     
  4. Justatruthseeker

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    That’s the hallmark of evolutionists and atheists. Change your story every few posts so they can’t be pinned down..... and so they can believe whatever they need to believe at any given time to maintain any belief at all that excludes God....
     
  5. usexpat97

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    You said it was not impossible. You were pretty clear on that. So now I guess you can get your own story straight AND straighten it out with Kylie. It's frustrating when we talk to a point, only for you to shift around what your point even is.
     
  6. Bungle_Bear

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    Your claim was "scientists have clearly stated they can think of no way we will ever know what happened in the beginning." That's the claim you need to support.
     
  7. Bungle_Bear

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    You should learn how to reply to posts using the reply function. It makes things much clearer when people know what you're responding to.

    Please go back, read what I actually wrote and respond with a quoted post if you so desire.
     
  8. Justatruthseeker

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    I just did, since they just claimed they’ll never be able to see beyond the 380,000 year limit.

    I never said they wouldn’t “speculate” beyond that. But speculation is not knowing....
     
  9. Bungle_Bear

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    Before I respond, do you see at the bottom right of this post where it says "Reply"? Click that when you want to respond, it will quote this post for you.

    To clear up your misunderstanding, what I said was that the biblical claim of impossibility was not obvious. I asked you to support the claim that knowledge of beginning or end is impossible. That should be a fairly trivial exercise if it's so obvious. I have not said the bible is wrong, I have simply pointed out that you have not shown it to be right.

    I've been consistent the whole time. It is your lack of understanding that is the issue.
     
  10. dad

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    If God says man can't know, that is all that matters. This is not a thread to prove the sun exists, or that last week happened. This was a thread pointing out Scripture says manscience has strict limits.
     
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  11. dad

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    It is not the fact that you don't that makes it impossible. It is the fact that God's word says you can't.
     
  12. dad

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    That would be a tough one for him to support. Man thinks he either knows it all, or one day will...as the gods they think they are. The funny thing is that I think I will know one day also! But only because Jesus will lead us into more understanding in the next life.
     
  13. New Birth

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    is this post referring to stars?
     
  14. New Birth

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    Question.
    1. If you looked at the light of a star with a strong enough telescope would you see the actual star?
     
  15. Speedwell

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    No, all you ever see is photons emanating from that star. That's all you ever see of anything at all.
     
  16. New Birth

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    not getting an answer here, is this a no or a yes?
     
  17. dad

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    And those are seen only here near earth.
     
  18. dad

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    No.
     
  19. New Birth

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    If we are in an ever expanding universe and the light we see from a star is light from billions of lightyears away and billions of years ago. How can we tell were the actual star is and how far away it is?
     
  20. Speedwell

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    I clearly see a "no" in my answer. Isn't that enough?

    All the telescope does is allow you to see more details in the pattern of photons.
     
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