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Bible says science cannot possibly know how many years since creation

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by dad, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. Kylie

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    I fear you are misunderstanding my point, which is that you are forced to reject a plain simple reading of it because it so easily disproven. You have to try to find alternate interpretations in order to make it unfalsifiable.
     
  2. dad

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    Believers test the bible. It works. Repeatedly. We observe this. The tests are also demonstrated to the world at times. But since you deny the records of the bible, and do so with no reason, and refuse to try Him yourself...looks like you are in no position to discuss tests or observations.

    You mentioned love for family, and it was pointed out that science cannot even deal with that. Science is small.
     
  3. Kylie

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    The fact that there are so many different denominations of Christianity tells me that your results are subjective, not objective truth.

    Stop trying to get out of it.

    I'll post a claim from the Bible and you tell me how we can test it.

    Wow, do you even pay attention to what I say, or do you just look for random words and then post an argument for your ideas that includes those words?
     
  4. dad

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    If testing Scripture involved starting denominations you might have a point. It doesn't.

    Who says you can test the past? The folks then are the ones who tested things. The test we do now is trying God ourselves.
     
  5. Kylie

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    I'm saying that if you could test the Bible and objectively verify it as true, then everyone would have the same version of Christianity.

    Everyone has the same version of gravity. Everyone has the same version of relativity. Why doesn't everyone have the same version of Christianity?

    You said it. You said we can test the Bible, and now you're trying to weasel out of it.
     
  6. dad

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    God is tested in our lives, not in a lab. People who believe do not all use the same bank, or car dealer, or denomination. Jesus is Christianity. There is only one version of Jesus. People who revolve around a building system and certain preferred pet peeves and preferences are not versions of Christianity as far as I am concerned. They are different flavors of churchianity.


    Correct, and I did and do. So do all believers. They test Jesus when they ask for Salvation and for His presence in their life. They test the bible promises when they try to claim them, such as protection, provision, and etc. They experience and observe the gifts of the spirit in others and maybe themselves. They observe what it is like to be born again of the spirit and start to be mindful of more than just the physical life and world. Etc.
     
  7. Colter

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    It seems you are accusing me of doing what you yourself are doing. To fit your unbelief, you are forced to ignore the obvious spiritual statements making them literal and thus disqualifying Jesus.


    John 18:36 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."


    Luke 17:20-21 20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."
     
  8. Kylie

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    You are avoiding the question. You have nothing at all which indicates any objective reality to your religious beliefs.

    Glad you admit you said we can test it.

    Now, I shall present to you a claim made in the Bible, and I want you to objectively test it, explaining how such objective testing is done, okay?
     
  9. Kylie

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    I fear you are trying to get this bogged down in only a few particular verses. My point (made back in post 203) was that Jesus said MANY things which indicated that the end of the world would be very soon after the time at which he spoke. You seem to be ignoring those passages in order to concentrate on the ones which you can try to reinterpret.
     
  10. dad

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    And you have no science that can objectively deal with God, or even something so simple and observed (by you) as your love for family.

    I test what is in my life. I do not time travel and test what color Ceasars underwear were.
    Science has nothing to say about prophesies or miracles in the bible. They cannot test them or deny them.

    They cannot prove God did or did not give Scripture. But for the many people who do believe it, they are reminded that Scripture says science is absolutely unable to know which end is which!
     
  11. Colter

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    Jesus warned his apostles of the overthrow of Jerusalem, they may have gotten that mixed up with an "end times" scenario. However the kingdom he established, which will be an everlasting kingdom was clearly spiritual and will eventually subdue the world. It could be another 5,000 years before he returns and it will only be for a visit.
     
  12. Kylie

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    Before you ask science to deal with God, you must show it exists.

    As for scienctific evidence for love, you do realise that emotions can create changes in the brain, and these changes can be observed in real time, yes?

    It seems to me that your method of testing the Bible is little more than, "Do I think it is true? Yes! Test confirmed!"

    That is not a good way to test something.
     
  13. Kylie

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    Explanations and mental gymnastics.

    You seem incapable of considering the notion that it's just wrong.
     
  14. Colter

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    Because its not wrong, its there, I showed you: "John 18:36 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

    Luke 17:20-21 20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

    The kingdom of Jesus was always a spiritual fellowship. This is something commonly known in Christianity.
     
  15. dad

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    Why would I ask a pig to tell me about advanced math, or science to tell me about the spiritual? It is way out of their little league.
    Spirits can affect people and therefore the brains. Science only can see as far as the brain, so they think it is all in there. Pathetic.

    The bible gave the litmus test. So here is the test, straight from the very mouth of the Almighty Himself.

    Joh 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

    Now if we were more advanced than just the physical, which science isn't, there is a further test given, so that we can test spirits, whether they are evil or good.

    1 Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
     
  16. Kylie

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    Then why are so many people utterly convinced that the second coming of Christ is going to happen?

    Also, it seems rather convenient for me that this big thing is satisfied by something so everyday.
     
  17. Kylie

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    Say what you will, you are still utterly incapable of producing any actual evidence for your position.

    Once again, you are still utterly incapable of producing any actual evidence for your position.

    And that's circular logic. The Bible is true because the people who say the Bible is true are convinced the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true, therefore the Bible is true.

    Honestly, why in the world do you think that quoting the Bible at me is going to convince me that the Bible is true?

    Bible quotes mean nothing to me unless you can provide me with evidence from a source other than the Bible to back them up.
     
  18. dad

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    The evidences permeates and saturates history and my life. Hard to walk without bumping into it.
    No. Those who take the test know, the rest love darkness.
    Why do you think anyone needs to convince you? When you are ready to come to water, you can drink. Until then, it it not my policy to drag.
    Since the thread was about a quote from God, it seems your actions in repeatedly posting speak louder than words about not caring what He says.
     
  19. Colter

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    Because Jesus said he will return. All this stuff gets contaminated by the false belief about a rapture, an apocalypse, the horribly distorted Book of Revelation.
     
  20. Kylie

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    And yet you are incapable of posting any of it.

    Once again you make fancy claims while not providing a single shred of support.

    You got anything more than twee soundbites?

    A quote which you are totally unable to support with anything from the real world.
     
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