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Benny Hinn on Dateline Last Night

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mickd7 said:
I got it from dateline report. They said when he went to a place to preach he would stay at the best suites that went for 10,000 to 12,000 per night. Something a king would stay at. Then to relax after a show he would stop at places like Cancun for a layover and the ministry pays for that. Why cant he stay at a hotel for 200 a night and save the money for the ministry? I do not doubt the Dateline story and some of Hinn's inside people are the ones that told this stuff. Hinn did not answer because he said God told him not too=. That is a cop out. He should stand up to anyone without shame and answer the questions if he has nothing to hide ,but he does not.
Like I said before it has been the press that has brought forth and uncovered charletons like Bakker and Popoff and in my opinion Hinn fits right in there. I do not like him or what he does and I do not believe in his antics, but only God knows for sure and sooner or later the truth always comes out for the Bible says our sins will find us out. We will just have to see how it all unfolds and if not in this world then the other. Fat Eagle.

You may not like Benny Hinn, but I've never seen Benny Hinn do the type of thing Popoff did, and I had a 'personal prophecy' from Popoff while he was praying for me, and it's a word specific to me, that my friend also received. God said if I sent $1000.00 I'd get a miracle. How is it the same? And someone dying to see Benny Hinn is somehow Benny Hinn's fault? I'm sad to hear it, but what a silly story to discredit him.

As for standing up to anyone without shame and answering the questions if one has nothing to hide, would you say the same to everyone who is falsely accused?

AS for Hinn fitting right in there, what an amazing thing to say. If you don't know for sure, then you think this is an alright thing to say? And how is it different than gossip?
 
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Ok, I read all the info listed on the web links, went to the other web links from those sites, and have read all the info presented so far.

I have to say that from that presented information Benny Hinn appears to be giving false prophecies. He is asking people for money "illegally" under God and is weaving a web of deception around that giving.

Now there is no information about his full sermons, so I cannot say whether his teachings are good or bad. My only comments are based on what was presented.

.What came to me from all these clips was a sense of pride living in this man - Benny Hinn. Pride in his own power over the listening community. Pride in his own words being able to persuade listeners. Pride that he could speak out prophesies and not admit wrong in them.

Pride is a gift of satan in our lives. And Benny shows - in these clips - pride. That is what concerns me the most.

As to the congregations that appear to be duped by his requests for money. Exposing him as a thief will not stop most of these people from trusting another preacher, because there is no discernment in them to prevent that happening again.

The best help we can give these people is to pray for them to receive that discernement in abundance and listen then to God and God alone.

Focusing on the giving and taking wrongly of money seems to be a surface issue to the real fact that people's Holy Spirit guidance isn't being developed and used as protection.

God's word clearly tells us that many will be deceived in the end days, but it also clearly tells us to be on guard. After all, by listening and obeying this man, these people are putting him before a jealous God - and that is what I would be more scared of than anything.
 
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andry said:
Yikes! How so? Based on what standard? Yours? So your the voice of doctrine on such matters? I think not! :scratch:

Your judging someone with your conscience, personal preference, and opinion. That's a no-no.

I do a tremendous amount of busines travel into multiple time zones. When I wake up in London for an 8 am Monday meeting, I cannot afford jet lag, and I'm expected to be "on" and alert like my London counterparts. But it's still only midnight my time, after 8 hours flying, and not sleeping well. I need all the advantage I can to make sure I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed. That means economy seats are out, and certainly a motel won't do. It has little to do with luxury, extravagance, or status.

As far as cars go, how much of your income did you spend on your Accord (or whatever it is your driving)? If I spend a smaller percentage of my income on my car than you did with yours, can I buy it still? Or do I have to ask for your permission since it seems your personal preference has become doctrine?

Do you see where this is going? It's a slippery slope when we use our own personal benchmarks for others.

Seek first the kingdom of God. B.H. seems to be doing that as God called him. And all of the things that he needs, to do his seeking the kingdom will be added unto him. If that means a 'luxury' hotel, great. Let God deal with what needs to be done in his life as he will in yours and mine.

He also said afterwards, that he was joking, and that his comments shouldn't be taken seriously. It's amazing how that part of his quote neglected to get into your post. If YOU are going to stand on your soapbox and preach to people, then maybe you should present all the facts as well.

Joshua
 
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Joshua J. Daigle said:
He also said afterwards, that he was joking, and that his comments shouldn't be taken seriously. It's amazing how that part of his quote neglected to get into your post. If YOU are going to stand on your soapbox and preach to people, then maybe you should present all the facts as well.

Joshua

Gee, maybe I should have continued reading the thread before posting. :doh: Aren't I the kettle calling the pot black? Excuse me will I go find a rock for me and my smugness to crawl under. :(

Joshua
 
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Would Benny be the first to have an "expose" twisted and spun to imply a truth that simply doesn't exist? Or, would he be the first to have had "proof" planted, or "proof" taken out of context? No, and he won't be the last. I'm not sticking up for him, I just don't see the cause to place him under a veil of suspician. If there was really "something there", don't you think there would be verifiable proof beyond reproof. At least, more than accusations and inuendo. Regarding wealth/no wealth, we know the dangers but He does not say the hallmark of Christianity is destitution, or even middle-class. If God leads, we follow. Wealth, fame, destitution, mediocrity, public, private, what does it matter as long as we follow. Run the race and finish, the only agenda He's given us. Supposition is not enough to bring rebuke.
 
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The way I see It is If brother benny has mishandled God's money or decieved anyone, He will have God to answer to one day. If anyone gave to that ministry, you gave it as unto the Lord, you gave it in faith, and thats all you can ever do, is leave it in God's hands. what happens after that is no longer your responsibility. In the mean time he is still God's man, and many many people who were once headed for hell have been saved through his ministry. what hurts are the many who fall away because of attacks like this. But if they let this seperate them from God, then their eyes were on man and not the Father. Benny still preaches the word, and the word is the word is the word, no matter from what mouth it is spoken from.
 
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Let's hear it from people who actually give money to Benny Hinn Ministries. For the rest of you, kindly shut up :p or better still, why don't you start a worldwide ministry authenticated by provable miracles using your own money only...
that's got to be one of the most senseless things I've read - isn't that like saying only people who buy pornography have the right to say whether or not pornography is right or wrong??
 
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Talie said:
that's got to be one of the most senseless things I've read - isn't that like saying only people who buy pornography have the right to say whether or not pornography is right or wrong??[/font]
Touché, Talie.

 
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you people just dont get it do you? i am telling you that there isnt anything wrong with him because i know him, ive eaten dinner with him, his family and mine have gone on vacation together...I promise you all the Ministries money go to the ministry. Yes he does stay in those suites...with the money his church pays him. Its a huge church. You need to know him personally before you accuse him of all of this stuff.
 
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I've come to totally agree that only God can judge this man. We have no business doing so. However, I ran across this story that I would like to share with you all. It's just something to think about.

"The CIRCUIT RIDER vs. The TELEVANGELIST"
-by Michael Edds


In my continued research on the "old wells of revival" I have
discovered some incredibly contrasting bits of information. One
of the top televangelists in the nation was recently invited to preach
in Baltimore, Maryland. His terms for coming were #1. That he
must be picked up by a limousine at the airport, #2. that he must
have $1,000 spending money, #3. That he must be guaranteed at
least $10,000 in offerings. This same televangelist/ pastor lives
in a multi million dollar mansion, eats in the finest restaurants
and wears the most expensive tailor-made suits. His writings
and speaking engagements have garnered millions of dollars.
He brags that he is a role model of the prosperity message of
our day. He pastors a mega church, appears on national and
international television, has authored many books and draws
tens of thousands to hear him. To his credit, he is a powerful,
commanding speaker. However, please contrast this to the
following life and ministry of the great circuit rider, Francis
Asbury in the late 1700s and early 1800s.

While still in his 20's, Bishop Francis Asbury left his home and
family forever in England to come to a wilderness called America.
He came to be a traveling preacher/evangelist in a nation with
little infrastructure such as roads, decent housing, few hotels
and restaurants, poor sanitation and dangerous drinking water,
few medical professionals and limited law enforcement. The
nation had recently plunged into a violent war of independence
against Asbury's native land of England. The American frontier
was also ablaze with war between the colonist and Native
Americans tribes.

Asbury was not greeted upon his arrival by a limo. He had to
purchase a horse on which he traveled 6,000 a year for over 40
years. His financial reward was $60 a year, much of which he
gave away or sent back to England to help his parents. He wore
hand-me-downs not tailor made suits. He had no retirement, no
insurance, no dental plan, and no 401 k. He set no fee for his
ministry.

What he did receive, he often gave away. He traveled on "roads"
on which his horse sank many times knee-deep in mud. If a
road did not exist, he would lead his horse over the steep, rocky
inclines of the Appalachians to reach a pioneer community.
Many times, his feet and legs were bloodied and bruised by the
horrific journey. When he came to a river where there was no
bridge or ferry, he would swim his horse across. Numerous times
he was nearly drowned by an angry, swollen stream. His "hotel"
on many occasions was on a dirt floor in an overcrowded, rat-
infested frontier cabin. Often times he slept in the woods, on a
mountain ledge or in a damp cave. Many days he would travel
over 60 miles with nothing to eat. The paths and roads he traveled
were full of dangers from murderers, thieves, wolves, bears,
poisonous snakes and roaming bands of Native Americans with
whom the frontiersmen were at war. If he met someone who
needed a cloak, food or money, he would take what he had and
give it to the person in need. Asbury sought out the forgotten,
hidden places of early America. He traveled from New England,
to the Midwest, and to the Deep South spreading the Gospel of
Christ. When he would meet a person who was ill, he would
minister to their physical needs with the last medication he had.
He demanded nothing of others in order to come into a community.
The demands he made were on himself. Frequently, his body
would be racked with pain, illness, fever, hunger and weakness.
His physical being would cry out for rest and nourishment. However,
his spirit ruled his body. When truly unable to travel, he would
mount his horse and ride for 8 hours or more through blinding snow
storms, torrential rain or in oppressive heat.

He too had been invited to Baltimore. In 1816 he was traveling
by buggy through Virginia headed to the annual conference in
Baltimore. However, he was dying. His last sermon was
preached in Richmond. He had to be carried into the meeting
room. He commented, "I am too weak to walk but not to preach."
They sat him on a small table and he ministered the Word for the
last time. He made it as far as Spottsylvania twenty miles north
of Richmond. He body was rapidly failing. He stopped at a friend's
house on Saturday. Shortly before he left this world he was asked,
"Do you feel Jesus precious?" Summoning his last remaining
strength, the great circuit rider raised both hands in victory.
Minutes later he laid his head on a friend's hand and gently slipped
away to be with the Lord. He owned no mansion, no land, and no
bank account. His net worth was what he wore on his body. He
was buried in a borrowed grave plot.

When Asbury came to America, there were few Methodist believers
and fewer preachers. At the end of his ministry, there were over
200,000 Methodist believers and almost 8,000 ministers. He
impacted lives of thousands upon thousands. He changed the very
course of American history. Among his converts were poor farmers,
merchants, Governors of several states, frontiersmen, slaves, Native
Americans, State Supreme Court Justices, attorneys, physicians,
house wives, children, youth and people from all walks of life. He
gave all he had. He sought nothing for himself. His passion was to
bring salvation and the Light of the Gospel to those in darkness of
sin. He loved a nation and made it his own even though he was not
her native son.

Quite a CONTRAST between the CIRCUIT RIDER and the
TELEVANGELIST!
 
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God judges in the temporal arena, and the eternal. In this life God will judge a person's actions, but always (except when the person has irrevocably rejected Him) holds out the chance for turning back and repenting. Only on the Last Day, at the great white throne judgment will God pronounce eternal judgment on a person, forever determining his or her destinies. From this judgment, there is no appeal or second chance.

The Christian, on the other hand, is never given the right or the responsibility of eternally judging anyone (unless they have clearly rejected Christ permanently). Christians cannot correctly weigh action, motives, opportunities, nor know all things about any individual: God alone is capable to do so.

However, Christians are to make decisions (appraisals, discernments, and even take corrective actions). But even judging in this aspect is intended to be remedial, and leaves the door open to the person for repentance and reconciliation. Any judging on the part of a Christian which does not, is a false aspect of Christian judgment. We are called upon to ''judge righteous judgment'' John 7:24 and failure to do so is to be negligent in a crucial aspect of our Christian calling
 
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I'm gone for four days only to return and find this thread alive and well.... :doh: Kinda like the Energizer bunny. Not just that it keeps on going, but that you just want to club that furball to death.

Celine, we do get it; it's more that you still don't get it. But oh, you promise us? Oh well that makes it all legit now doesn't it?
 
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The power team came to the church I attend some yrs back.They made similar demands as listed in that article. I can see asking for a place to stay for the ministry team, but I don't think asking for 1,000 spending cash, etc is NOT reasonable!

edited to add NOT.. dUH. I'm sure someones fingers are rebuking me this very moment:D
 
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Some people will never learn.

Just because someone is on TV and preaches people think he is ok, but by now we should have learned our lessons from the past just as the old saying goes if we do not learn from our mistakes we will repeat them and sure enough we go on and on and on. Sometimes I think the full gospel christians are the most gullible and stupid in all of christiandom. I guess that is why Paul had to write so much about the abuse of the gifts of the Spirit because we never seem to learn our lessons. Oh well let the ignorant stay ignorant and if they want to send their hard earned money and eat hot dogs, drive used cars, and live in hovels while these rich TV evangelist eat cavior and lobster, tool around in limos, and live in mansions then let them. Ignorance is bliss they say. Truth is we dont need these TV evangelist to begin with. We should turn these people off and go to our local churches and support the local ministries and send missionaries in the field to win lost souls for in the end that is all that matters. Fat Eagle....:cry:
 
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Andry yes it does make it legit. Im your sister in the Lord and Bro i dont think daddy likes what he's hearing.How dare you incinuate that i not understand someone who you dont even know and im good friends with. He is an awesome man of God. I dont know what your problem is with me or Benny but i want to know what he has done to personally harm you...Im not talking about the ministry or anything else YOU personally.
 
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Hello? Insinuate? You said..."you people just dont get it do you?"

How do you know I don't know him? How do you know that?

What you don't understand is, you may know him, but we don't know you. So for you to state, "I promise...." means nothing to us. With respect.

I'm in Vancouver. Guess who has a church is Vancouver, if you say you know the BH and his family well. I'll let you tell us.
 
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Henry. Not that his brother has anything to do with this, but I just knew the answer.

mickd7 said:
Some people will never learn.

Just because someone is on TV and preaches people think he is ok, but by now we should have learned our lessons from the past just as the old saying goes if we do not learn from our mistakes we will repeat them and sure enough we go on and on and on. Sometimes I think the full gospel christians are the most gullible and stupid in all of christiandom. I guess that is why Paul had to write so much about the abuse of the gifts of the Spirit because we never seem to learn our lessons. Oh well let the ignorant stay ignorant and if they want to send their hard earned money and eat hot dogs, drive used cars, and live in hovels while these rich TV evangelist eat cavior and lobster, tool around in limos, and live in mansions then let them. Ignorance is bliss they say. Truth is we dont need these TV evangelist to begin with. We should turn these people off and go to our local churches and support the local ministries and send missionaries in the field to win lost souls for in the end that is all that matters. Fat Eagle....:cry:

So we should shut up everyone who preaches the gospel out of selfish desire? Maybe that is something Paul addressed as well? As for the rest...
 
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Svt4Him said:
So we should shut up everyone who preaches the gospel out of selfish desire? *****
I guess this is simply impossible. But we need to make an effort to hold those who preach the gospel accountable to its truth.

~Jim
 
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