Benny Hinn on Dateline Last Night

[NewSong]

Im not saying you shouldnt stop something if you know its wrong but if you dont know its wrong FOR SURE then leave the person alone...you could cause that person pain if they arent really doing anything. And i believe that if you are so desperate to know you need to call Benny Hinn ministries...www.bennyhinn.com go there , i believe there are some numbers go ahead. You can set up a meeting or something because thats the only way you will really know.

Have you ever called their ministries? I have....only to find out that the people that are every bit as desperate as we are as individuals. I called to ask for prayer for my brother and some dear woman started crying and telling me all about her diabetic brother and how he has no sight and how she wondered about how she was going to care for him. She was real about her situation. I never did get my details out and I ended up praying for her. Another instance, I was told to hurry up speak my prayer request. They had exactly timed how long they are to be on the telephone and God forbid if the Holy Spirit should want to run the call.

Another instance sister is after I worked a crusade was I got a call from a place that wasn't even Christiand and Didn't even know the details of CHristianity wanting to know if I would work another crusade for them and it blew me out of the water when the man fessed up they were a company the ministry hired to make phone calls and solicit.

Now I have had a plenty experience there and I want you to know that there are two sides to every coin and you have obviously seen one and I have seen another and so has Jim...I am not here to put the man down, I am saying that the ministries are not all that people think they are and some are just not even Chrisitan no matter what comes out of the mouth.

THIS PART EDITED BECAUSE IT WAS UNCALLED FOR....

I agree with Jim ...that it is time to get real and take an honest look.

This is not to target you but in response to your post.

Amen?!?

NewSong

 

[Andry]

Post #281 and counting.

Any takers that this thread will hit 350?

 

[Asaph]

I am not whiney like was insinuated by another poster either. I agree with Jim ...that it is time to get real and take an honest look.

NewSong

Just so you know, that comment wasn't about this thread or any of your posts NS. You've been very honest and open about the problems you've encountered lately and I certainly wouldn't call even one of them trivial.

Asaph

 

[NewSong]

Thanks Asaph. I guess I knew that I could be a whiner and so I thought it was me....I shouldn't have made that remark in my post. Thank you Asaph. I don't want to hurt anyone but I don't want to be a whiner. Thank you....


NewSong

 

[CelineDion]

Newsong, First i want to establish that i think youre a really nice person, awesome christian, and I love you. Secondly I didnt know you worked a BH crusade!!! Ive been with my daddy on the crusades bunches! We may have met! OKay now let me get serious again lol ( i have my moments) They have to give a certain amount of time on the prayer request because thousands upon thousands are crunching the phone lines. if everyone told thier whole story it would be unfair to the others. I dont know if im making sense but im trying lol...its early. Well hugs to all.

 

[NewSong]

Newsong, First i want to establish that i think youre a really nice person, awesome christian, and I love you. Secondly I didnt know you worked a BH crusade!!! Ive been with my daddy on the crusades bunches! We may have met! OKay now let me get serious again lol ( i have my moments) They have to give a certain amount of time on the prayer request because thousands upon thousands are crunching the phone lines. if everyone told thier whole story it would be unfair to the others. I dont know if im making sense but im trying lol...its early. Well hugs to all.

CelineDion,

Yes you have made sense and so we may have met somewhere along the way. Interesting.... Yes I do understand the crunching of the phone lines. I think sometimes though some of us live in an unreal worlds where we don't realize the realities though of the phone lines. I was shocked to learn it that is what I know. Your a sweetheart Celine...keep up the good work and I appreciated your precious post in sharing.... Hugs right back to you.

NewSong

 

[Asaph]

I don't really have anything to say, I just wanted to help the thread towards Andry's predicted 350 posts.

Be awesomly blessed and prosperous today!
Asaph

 

[Andry]

Thank you brother! So if this thread does hit 350, would I then be a prophet?

 

[Asaph]

Thank you brother! So if this thread does hit 350, would I then be a prophet?

ROFL! I admit, I was at first concerned that you might be accused, but then I slapped myself in the face a couple times and remembered the topic!

 

[Andry]

It looks like this thread is running out of steam. But let's see how many days or weeks till someone starts a new Benny Hinn thread all over again.

 

[Asaph]

It looks like this thread is running out of steam. But let's see how many days or weeks till someone starts a new Benny Hinn thread all over again.

No worries. I once heard a tape of Benny declaring that the Holy Spirit was all over him showing him a new thing. That the woman was originally designed to give birth out of her side.

Well, if that's true...........

(that ought to be good for another fifty posts or so...... )

Asaph

 

[NewSong]

No worries. I once heard a tape of Benny declaring that the Holy Spirit was all over him showing him a new thing. That the woman was originally designed to give birth out of her side.

Well, if that's true...........

(that ought to be good for another fifty posts or so...... )

Asaph

Humm must be that extra rib Eve got that he seen???That would be the spot where the birth should occur? and it was good for at least one more post

 

[HumbleMan]

OK, I'm going to jump in here (350 posts were spoken, and I think the Spirit's leading me to help with that! )

Take away the flash and pomp, the $1000 suits and hotel rooms. No healings, no slaying in the Spirits, no prophesying. Just BH on stage, reading Scripture and preaching. How effective would his witness be? Strip it all away, is he an annointed evangelist? Or is his message weak and need the sideshow to keep people coming?

 

[JimB]

OK, I'm going to jump in here (350 posts were spoken, and I think the Spirit's leading me to help with that! )

Take away the flash and pomp, the $1000 suits and hotel rooms. No healings, no slaying in the Spirits, no prophesying. Just BH on stage, reading Scripture and preaching. How effective would his witness be? Strip it all away, is he an annointed evangelist? Or is his message weak and need the sideshow to keep people coming?

Personally, I think it’s the sideshow (with a lot of TV hype). Nothing personal toward BH, but healings happen every day in thousands of places all around the earth. Some churches probably have greater success with physical healings than BH does - but we’ll never know for sure because BHM refuses to release open medical documentation and verification of the reported healings at his rallies; we simply have to take their word for it (i.e., believe their press releases).

But because churches with successful healing ministries do not have (or want) a national TV ministry to pump their rallies they do not get the notice (or crowds) that someone like BH does.

Yes, I think it is 98% hype. Are some healed? Sure. But thousands are healed through the ministry of healing every day. Healing is the children’s bread, a staple, fundamental ministry of the church. Every believer is anointed to heal. I am surprised that some P/Cs think that it is an endorsement of a particular “ministry”.

~Jim

 

[NewSong]

<SNIP>.

Yes, I think it is 98% hype. Are some healed? Sure. But thousands are healed through the ministry of healing every day. Healing is the children’s bread, a staple, fundamental ministry of the church. Every believer is anointed to heal. I am surprised that some P/Cs think that it is an endorsement of a particular “ministry”.

~Jim

Funny but I was thinking of this thread last night while at church...and you just hit the nail on the head when you spoke of the every day healings. The pastor that came in to clean up an awful mess that devestated this congregaton was sharing with me personally about when he was diagnosed with Leukemia and how he had got so ill that he lay in bed and couldn't remember much of anything but he had a 6 year old grandaughter who apparently grabbed her little brother's hand and said, "Let's pray for pappa" and so they did and this all he could remember his little grand-daughter saying..."Keep pappa alive until mama gets home." All of his blood work showed he had Leukemia including the asymetrial tonsillitis...he hit 4 out of 5 of the criteria, fevers, sore throats, etc. Anyway, he is well and he didn't die and it happened without a crusade.

I think I done a lot of crying yesterday as we sat and shared because I think I/we really lose sight of who the real Healer is and we do assign things to ministries like this one and our pastors, teachers, etc.

Thanks for the great posts.

NewSong

 

[mickd7]

Now if Hinn or any of these so called healers like Hinn walked into Shivo's room and she was totally healed and walked out then he would be believable but I have never seen or heard of such a miracle taking place especially by him. On the report about him they say he chooses which will come up on the stage and those poor sick folks that are on gurneys, wheelchairs and those in really sad shape like Shivo are way in the background and never come up on stage. That little boy that was on the report that Hinn raved about his healing of his vision problems and even said he would help with the bills etc, did in fact see better after he went to a opthomoligist and he received some new glasses, and that support never came. I am sorry I cant buy into this type ministry and I cant stand to look at him, but he is in Gods hands. Fat Fagle.

 

[HumbleMan]

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm getting at is this- forget the healings and other stuff. Put a bible in his hands, put him in the pulpit, and tell him he has to evangelize the crowd by his understanding of and knowledge of the Gospel. Do you think his theology is strong enough to win converts based solely on his teachings?

 

[JimB]

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm getting at is this- forget the healings and other stuff. Put a bible in his hands, put him in the pulpit, and tell him he has to evangelize the crowd by his understanding of and knowledge of the Gospel. Do you think his theology is strong enough to win converts based solely on his teachings?

I am no fan of BH (or any other celebrity preacher, for that matter), but sure he would be effective if he proclaimed the Gospel because there is power in the euangelion itself (Romans 1.16), enough to save the lost no matter who declares it. An unregenerate person could probably present the Gospel and it would still have the power to convert the hearer. Forget knowledge and theology; they sometimes get in the way.

~Jim

 

[Asaph]

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm getting at is this- forget the healings and other stuff. Put a bible in his hands, put him in the pulpit, and tell him he has to evangelize the crowd by his understanding of and knowledge of the Gospel. Do you think his theology is strong enough to win converts based solely on his teachings?

I cannot but be honest. No. He was raised up into ministry to quickly and he has obviously suffered because of it.

He does not have a good foundation. Thankfully, God is bigger than that too.

Asaph

 

[NewSong]

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm getting at is this- forget the healings and other stuff. Put a bible in his hands, put him in the pulpit, and tell him he has to evangelize the crowd by his understanding of and knowledge of the Gospel. Do you think his theology is strong enough to win converts based solely on his teachings?

I have heard him and I would not want what he offers. I have heard him speak and he contradicts himself in his teaching and yet there is something about the man without the pomp that makes him so vulnerable, and honest and that man is a man that I can see God using with all of his sincerity and vulnerability if he were but real. I remember one time hearing him speak about how he needs to wear glasses because he can't see and he said he doesn't dare because how would the people receive the healing teaching if he wore them...I thought it was so sad that he would go without his glasses and go without seeing because he was afraid the people wouldn't receive what he shared. At that moment, I saw a guy in bondage. He tells about how his mom is a diabetic and how she never gets healed from diabetes but he can't share it as openly as he would because if he did then people wouldn't believe God healed. I found it incredible that this man would hide all these things and be in fear. There is a lot of things that I have sat and pondered if all was stripped from him and would the ministry be effective for salvation and I have to say that I don't think he could do it. Have you ever heard him try to preach? He can't. He gets all these guests to speak but he doesn't really speak and I don't think he can deliver it and in context with what people need to know. I agree with Humbleman here that I doubt that it would exist unless he was right with God.

One last point, when he shared what all the shortcomings were in his home and was real, and shared the thoughts that went through his head and just sat there and kind of testified, then I heard God using him. This was not at a crusade.

Amen?

NewSong