Beings from beyond... Does it have to shake our theology?

[joeLightening]

All the ufo hype began after Orson Wells scared everyone with tales of martians invading the earth. Hollywood exploited the fears of people for money. Natural phenomenon plays tricks on people's minds. People are in a hurry to have a moment of fame. All these things are at play. The government does not have any alien life forms. If they did, one of the presidents would have exposed it. People other than the government would have evidence in their procession. Don't fall pray to a week mind. " Prove all things and hold fast that which is good".

 

[Bobber]

It follows then that fallen angels are equally capable of appearing in physical forms and may present with very high intelligence and forms that are non humanoid.

Second the narrative in Revelation speaks about the deception to come involving signs and wonders on earth and in the sky.

I think all should watch the Congressional Hearing on this with top skilled pilots in the air force telling their stories. These UFO played like cat and mouse with some of the most advanced military jets effecting the electronics jumping from one location to 60 miles away in the matter of a few seconds. The could drop out of the sky and then jump upwards at speeds beyond comprehension where any man made vessel would be torn apart by the G force. We've always heard of these stories but to be presented before Congress by military pilots takes this to a whole new level.

 

[Jipsah]

I think all should watch the Congressional Hearing on this with top skilled pilots in the air force telling their stories. These UFO played like cat and mouse with some of the most advanced military jets effecting the electronics jumping from one location to 60 miles away in the matter of a few seconds.

Just like playing with a cat - with a laser pointer. That dot of light can easily Defy The Laws of Physics, can't it? No mass, you see.

The could drop out of the sky and then jump upwards at speeds beyond comprehension where any man made vessel would be torn apart by the G force. We've always heard of these stories but to be presented before Congress by military pilots takes this to a whole new level.

Things that are massless can do that. No aliens or demons necessary. Just advanced terrestrial technology.
But where's the fun in that, right?

 

[Jipsah]

Except of course, people took the message of the gospel to Sydney, no person has managed to take the message of the gospel to another planet, so that evangelizing is going a bit slow & probably will never happen. So too bad for any aliens out there, even though there are none.

Yeah, that's another of those "God can't..." deals where God's just stuck. Can't save anyone without humans to do His toting and fetching for Him. He'd like to save the folks (if any) on Rigel IV, but there's just no way for humans to get there to get it done for Him. Poor God, created a universe too big for Him to handle.

(Note: This is called "illustrating absurdity by being absurd." The idea that God is daunted, or even hindered, by distances small or great, betrays an absurd understanding of God. Do y'all really think that God needs us to get His work done, and that He's somehow helpless without us? Seriously? Oh yeah, He can speak the universe into being, but He's helpless to get anyone saved any farther away than Cleveland. Seriously? Good grief!)

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Just a thought about the current disclosures being made by folks from the military about phenomena in the skies thought to be the activity of some advanced technology beyond normal human capabilities.

You can read about it on this thread... Whistleblower Testifies Under Oath to Congress that the Government has recovered "non-human biologics" from UFOs

Should these claims stack up and we are faced with there being life beyond the earth - will your theology cope with that ?

My thought is that such activity if real, is demonic in origin for these reasons.

First we know that angels can assume human form - otherwise we couldn't entertain them unawares as Scripture says.

It follows then that fallen angels are equally capable of appearing in physical forms and may present with very high intelligence and forms that are non humanoid.

Second the narrative in Revelation speaks about the deception to come involving signs and wonders on earth and in the sky.

Thirdly the temptation in the garden was all about knowledge and being presented with superior knowledge from such beings will again be Satans trump card to draw humanity away from Godliness.

Hey - these are my musings and it seems very soon this matter will be in our face to deal with if what we are hearing is to be believed.

Well said

 

[Sorn]

Yeah, that's another of those "God can't..." deals where God's just stuck. Can't save anyone without humans to do His toting and fetching for Him. He'd like to save the folks (if any) on Rigel IV, but there's just no way for humans to get there to get it done for Him. Poor God, created a universe too big for Him to handle.

(Note: This is called "illustrating absurdity by being absurd." The idea that God is daunted, or even hindered, by distances small or great, betrays an absurd understanding of God. Do y'all really think that God needs us to get His work done, and that He's somehow helpless without us? Seriously? Oh yeah, He can speak the universe into being, but He's helpless to get anyone saved any farther away than Cleveland. Seriously? Good grief!)

Except that there aren't any aliens out there, its just us, so chill & try & get out more.

 

[Jipsah]

Except that there aren't any aliens out there

I can't be dogmatic on that point. No evidence for, but no evidence against, either. It never killed anyone to say "I don't know", but people act like it will. My point is that God is, ya know, God. If He did put people on distant planets, and they need saving, He won't have to depend on human technology to get it done.

If I got out ny more than I do now I'd have to live in my car.

 

[The Liturgist]

Just a thought about the current disclosures being made by folks from the military about phenomena in the skies thought to be the activity of some advanced technology beyond normal human capabilities.

You can read about it on this thread... Whistleblower Testifies Under Oath to Congress that the Government has recovered "non-human biologics" from UFOs

Should these claims stack up and we are faced with there being life beyond the earth - will your theology cope with that ?

My thought is that such activity if real, is demonic in origin for these reasons.

First we know that angels can assume human form - otherwise we couldn't entertain them unawares as Scripture says.

It follows then that fallen angels are equally capable of appearing in physical forms and may present with very high intelligence and forms that are non humanoid.

Second the narrative in Revelation speaks about the deception to come involving signs and wonders on earth and in the sky.

Thirdly the temptation in the garden was all about knowledge and being presented with superior knowledge from such beings will again be Satans trump card to draw humanity away from Godliness.

Hey - these are my musings and it seems very soon this matter will be in our face to deal with if what we are hearing is to be believed.

I suggest reading Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Fr. Seraphim Rose, who basically predicted something like this happening. If there are apparent aliens, his view, and mine, is that they would most likely be demonic entities.

 

[Der Alte]

Wouldn't angels be beings from beyond?

 

[Berserk]

I doubt that these beings are either demons or beings from distant galaxies; rather, I think they are beings from parallel dimensions.
The whistleblowers report that we possess crashed UFOs and even the bodies of aliens!
There are 2 possible biblical precedents for these space aliens.

(1) The nephilim of Genesis, who impregnate human women. This fits with the testimony of
UFO abductees who testify to the aliens taking samples from their sex organs for the creation of hybrid creatures.
(2) In the astrology of Paul's day human fate is affected by "elemental spirits of the universe (Greek: "stoicheia tou cosmou,"a category of beings distinct from demons who regulate planetary influences. Paul is concerned that Christians might be enslaved to their influence (See Galatians 4:9; Colossians 2;20).

 

[Jipsah]

I doubt that these beings are either demons or beings from distant galaxies; rather, I think they are beings from parallel dimensions.

This is the "are aliens spacemen, demons, or from other dimensions? And the answer is still "what aliens?" There's no evidence at all that there are any aliens.

The whistleblowers report that we possess crashed UFOs and even the bodies of aliens!
There are 2 possible biblical precedents for these space aliens.

That's what he said right enough. Where's the evidence? Let's see Exhibit A. Talk's cheap, and worth the price charged.

(1) The nephilim of Genesis, who impregnate human women.

Nope.

This fits with the testimony of
UFO abductees who testify to the aliens taking samples from their sex organs for the creation of hybrid creatures.

"abductees" whose aliens are all srtaight out of "Close Encounters". What a coincidence!

Complete rubbish.

(2) In the astrology of Paul's day human fate is affected by "elemental spirits of the universe (Greek: "stoicheia tou cosmou,"a category of beings distinct from demons who regulate planetary influences. Paul is concerned that Christians might be enslaved to their influence (See Galatians 4:9; Colossians 2;20).

 

[Berserk]

This is the "are aliens spacemen, demons, or from other dimensions? And the answer is still "what aliens?" There's no evidence at all that there are any aliens.


That's what he said right enough. Where's the evidence? Let's see Exhibit A. Talk's cheap, and worth the price charged.

Nope.

"abductees" whose aliens are all srtaight out of "Close Encounters". What a coincidence!

Complete rubbish.

Psychiatrists have hypnotized abductees to help them recall all the details of their abductions and have concluded that they truly believe what they say happened to them. Implants have even been discovered inside the bodies of abductees.
On the other hand, you mindlessly dismiss whatever claims don't fit your fundamentalist agenda.
I'm eager to learn whether our engineers have been able to reverse engineer recovered saucers or at least some of the unparalleled materials used to build theses saucers. But like the long delayed second coming of Christ, we'll just have to see what the evidence reveals. It's totally understandable that possession of alien artifacts needs top secret security clearance for military advantage.

 

[Jipsah]

Psychiatrists have hypnotized abductees to help them recall all the details of their abductions and have concluded that they truly believe what they say happened to them. Implants have even been discovered inside the bodies of abductees.

Do you have some references for something I could read further into that? I find those claims dubiou to say the least.

On the other hand, you mindlessly dismiss whatever claims don't fit your fundamentalist agenda.

Mindlessly? Hardly. Given the utter absence of any evidence of "aliens", or any air or space craft that fit the descriptions given by "UFO" enthusiasts, I see no reason to believe them to be true. Apparently they're to be taken on faith and not with common logic., and I see no reason to do so. I don't see that as mindless, quite the contrary.

I have no faith to spare for belief in flying saucers, "aliens", ghosts, haints, werewolves, magic, or any of the other standbys of simple superstition. Your mileage may well vary.

As for "fundamentalist", hardly. By my reckoning, the fundamentals of the Faith are set forth in the ancient Creeds of the Church. In normal usage that makes me far from a "fundamentalist".

I'm eager to learn whether our engineers have been able to reverse engineer recovered saucers or at least some of the unparalleled materials used to build theses saucers.

They'll have to have some first. Don't hold your breath. Although real engineers will probably find if difficult to reverse engineer magic drives and devices to render a craft massless.

But like the long delayed second coming of Christ, we'll just have to see what the evidence reveals. It's totally understandable that possession of alien artifacts needs top secret security clearance for military advantage.

Again, if you want to accept the existence of "aliens" and their artifacts as a matter of faith along with the tenets of whatever religion you follow, by all means feel free. For my part I'll stick to holy writ.

 

[FireDragon76]

Psychiatrists have hypnotized abductees to help them recall all the details of their abductions and have concluded that they truly believe what they say happened to them. Implants have even been discovered inside the bodies of abductees.
On the other hand, you mindlessly dismiss whatever claims don't fit your fundamentalist agenda.
I'm eager to learn whether our engineers have been able to reverse engineer recovered saucers or at least some of the unparalleled materials used to build theses saucers. But like the long delayed second coming of Christ, we'll just have to see what the evidence reveals. It's totally understandable that possession of alien artifacts needs top secret security clearance for military advantage.

Hypnosis is not considered a foolproof way to obtain what actually happened. People under hypnosis can confuse fantasy and reality.

 

[Berserk]

Hypnosis is not considered a foolproof way to obtain what actually happened. People under hypnosis can confuse fantasy and reality.

I know but here many of the abductees had abduction memories prior to the hypnosis, which was merely intended to enhance those memories. and in cases like the famous Barney and Betty Hill abduction, hypnosis was used to determine whether the abductees actually believe their own testimonies.
eie own testimomonoes.

 

[FireDragon76]

I know but here many of the abductees had abduction memories prior to the hypnosis, which was merely intended to enhance those memories. and in cases like the famous Barney and Betty Hill abduction, hypnosis was used to determine whether the abductees actually believe their own testimonies.
eie own testimomonoes.

Betty and Barney Hill's case is open to other interpretations, such as mistaking natural phenomena, sleep deprivation, and a fantasy prone personality.

 

[Berserk]

Betty and Barney Hill's case is open to other interpretations, such as mistaking natural phenomena, sleep deprivation, and a fantasy prone personality.

Yes, and skeptics have offered similar bogus "other interpretations" to dismiss Gospel reports of Jesus' resurrection appearances.
What you don't get is that both Barney and Betty had a SHARED report of the same amount of missing time during which their clothes had become inexplicably dirty as a result of their alien encounter. That fact alone exposes how lame your rationalization is.

 

[Berserk]

Coincidentally, on the radio just this evening, I heard a scientist who has always been skeptical of ufo abductions, admit that he is impressed by the new evidence from multiple witnesses for the Pascagoula abduction case in 1973:

It’s the 50th anniversary of the Pascagoula alien abduction. What really happened?

 

[Jipsah]

Yes, and skeptics have offered similar bogus "other interpretations" to dismiss Gospel reports of Jesus' resurrection appearances.

That comparison comes under the heading of Trying Too Hard, don't you think? I mean skeptics generally discount my claims of being rightwise born kind of all England, as well.

What you don't get is that both Barney and Betty had a SHARED report of the same amount of missing time during which their clothes had become inexplicably dirty as a result of their alien encounter. That fact alone exposes how lame your rationalization is.

Sorry, but I rather expect that seems a lot more persuasive to thode who have some substantial emotional capital invested in Barney and Betty's stories being true. Nasty old skeptics like myself don't find shared stories and dirty clothes all that convincing as support for a claim to have been abducted by aliens.

 

[AV1611VET]

Should these claims stack up - and we are faced with there being life beyond the earth - will your theology cope with that?

Yes.