Beings from beyond... Does it have to shake our theology?

[bbbbbbb]

who are we to say what God did and did not make and what God could and could not do?

We only know what God has chosen to reveal to us through His creation and His Word.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

We only know what God has chosen to reveal to us through His creation and His Word.

that is true. i'm not saying i know, if i get to Heaven and Jesus says that He made no others besides angels and humans than fine, what God says and does is good. But all i'm saying is we have to be willing to acknowledge that He could have made other beings, that's all.

And even if He did make other beings they would be flawed most like humans where some are good and some are bad

 

[bbbbbbb]

that is true. i'm not saying i know, if i get to Heaven and Jesus says that He made no others besides angels and humans than fine, what God says and does is good. But all i'm saying is we have to be willing to acknowledge that He could have made other beings, that's all.

And even if He did make other beings they would be flawed most like humans where some are good and some are bad

As they say, God can do anything but fail (although that is not altogether true because people are constantly pointing out other things that would violate His innate nature, such as sin, which He cannot do). There is no doubt that He could very easily create other life forms in other areas of the immensely vast universe.

 

[Sorn]

As they say, God can do anything but fail (although that is not altogether true because people are constantly pointing out other things that would violate His innate nature, such as sin, which He cannot do). There is no doubt that He could very easily create other life forms in other areas of the immensely vast universe.

Just because He could create life elsewhere does in no way mean that He has. I think scripture logically leads to the conclusion that this universe is ours alone, in effect God has us confined to this one petri dish of a universe until His plan to deal with sin is complete.
Then He will let us participate in the rest of creation, outside of this universe via the new heavens & new earth, though the new earth will be the center as that is where He will reign from.

 

[Jipsah]

Of course, people in the ancient world could still travel to the other continents, even if only slowly and with a fair bit of risk, to spread the word of the Gospel. Even today, we can't travel much past our moon so spreading the Word to other civs is pretty much out of the question.

So? How does that alter the efficacy of our Lord's sacifice?

 

[Sorn]

So? How does that alter the efficacy of our Lord's sacifice?

Well, if aliens, if they existed, needed to hear about the gospel by us spreading the message in order for the aliens to believe and be saved then it could be a problem as it could be a while before missionaries are visiting alien planets

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

Well, if aliens, if they existed, needed to hear about the gospel by us spreading the message in order for the aliens to believe and be saved then it could be a problem as it could be a while before missionaries are visiting alien planets

couldn't God be in their form for their people just as He was in human form for us?

 

[Sorn]

couldn't God be in their form for their people just as He was in human form for us?

So are you saying that God the Son dies many times, possibly hundreds or thousands of times to save the beings from all the inhabited worlds throughout the universe??

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

So are you saying that God the Son dies many times, possibly hundreds or thousands of times to save the beings from all the inhabited worlds throughout the universe??

depends on the civilization and if they chose to rebel as Adam and Eve did, i'm sure some were actually obedient. God can be everywhere at once and He made the entire universe full of planets not just Earth.

 

[Sorn]

depends on the civilization and if they chose to rebel as Adam and Eve did, i'm sure some were actually obedient. God can be everywhere at once and He made the entire universe full of planets not just Earth.

Well the Bible would suggest otherwise or its not true. Philippians 2:9-11 says the
1) Jesus put aside His divinity to become a man
2) That after His death & resurrection God exalted Him and every tongue, in heaven, earth & below will call Him Lord. He can only be exalted to the highest place once. This was after His death on this Earth, He (God the Son) wont be putting His divinity aside again or die again.

" 9 xTherefore yGod has zhighly exalted him and bestowed on him athe name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus bevery knee should bow, cin heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and devery tongue confess that Jesus Christ is eLord, to the glory of God the Father."

 

[Jipsah]

2) That after His death & resurrection God exalted Him and every tongue, in heaven, earth & below will call Him Lord. He can only be exalted to the highest place once. This was after His death on this Earth, He (God the Son) wont be putting His divinity aside again or die again.

So once was enough for everyone, everywhere. Thanks be to God!

" 9 xTherefore yGod has zhighly exalted him and bestowed on him athe name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus bevery knee should bow, cin heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and devery tongue confess that Jesus Christ is eLord, to the glory of God the Father."

Amen

 

[parousia70]

The first UFO sighting occurred June 24, 1947.

Pretty sure sightings back a little further than 1947...

 

[Sorn]

So once was enough for everyone, everywhere. Thanks be to God!

Amen

As long as they hear and accept the Gospel. Getting the Gospel out to the masses of aliens out there has so far been a bit slow.

 

[trophy33]

Pretty sure sightings back a little further than 1947...

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Its good to always provide primary sources of such kind of images so that we can verify they are not debunked as fake and similar.

 

[Jipsah]

Just a thought about the current disclosures being made by folks from the military about phenomena in the skies thought to be the activity of some advanced technology beyond normal human capabilities.

It's probably not "beyond human capabilities". That makes a better story, though.

Should these claims stack up and we are faced with there being life beyond the earth - will your theology cope with that ?

My theology sees little or no difference between intelligent life on a distant planet from life on a distant continent. "Ohhh, they're from so far away!" So?

My thought is that such activity if real, is demonic in origin for these reasons.

My thought is that life forms from New South Wales are demonic, because it's just too bloody far away.

First we know that angels can assume human form - otherwise we couldn't entertain them unawares as Scripture says.

It follows then that fallen angels are equally capable of appearing in physical forms and may present with very high intelligence and forms that are non humanoid.

So alleged people from Australia are probably demons passing themse;lves off as human.

Second the narrative in Revelation speaks about the deception to come involving signs and wonders on earth and in the sky.

Kangaroos, platypuses, koalas, all obviously of alien origen.

 

[Jipsah]

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It is interesting how many christian's have faith in government and science for truth. If a person believes in God's creation given in The Bible. They would know (be able to recognize) of all (or at least many) the deceptions that are and will be played out

Such as?

 

[Jipsah]

Christian theology, by its implications, actually excludes the existence of *intelligent alien beings, where alien means they dwell on another planet or other place in the material universe, so NOT spiritual realm critters.

So no intellgent life comes from Australia? Dang.

 

[Jipsah]

As i said, theological implications not specific texts, but since you asked here is the argument:
If there were intelligent life comparable to us on other planets, then :
1) if they sinned they have no way to be saved as Jesus will not die again and he did not die for them. It would be like someone saying to us that Gods Son went to live on another planet as some alien and lived a perfect life there and if you believe that he did that then you can share in his salvation, but the story of his life and death be set in alien worlds and cultures etc with not one shred of proof. Yet you'd still be expected to live a moral life because of it and even die because of it.

No religion does that and one should not expect any alien life to understand, believe or accept what they are told about some far of planet called Earth.

In short this position states that any aliens that sin don't have a way to get right with God again AND therefore God would not have created them if he knew He would not be able to save them if they sinned.

2) Further, if the assumption is that there are aliens but they have never sinned, then they would not experience death as God would not let them die, but rather they would already have entered eternity, ie be at least equal to angels and hence not need to dwell in this material universe.

OK, fair play. If they've never sinned.

Lastly, the bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.

While would presumably apply to everyone, everywhere. Zat a problem?
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It is broadly due to this line of reasoning that i say that as a Christian, my theology leads me to conclude that there is no other comparable intelligent carbon based mortal life anywhere else in this universe, other than possibly plant and animal life

And if you're wrong, you wrong. Dang, thats never happened to me before.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It's probably not "beyond human capabilities". That makes a better story, though.


My theology sees little or no difference between intelligent life on a distant planet from life on a distant continent. "Ohhh, they're from so far away!" So?


My thought is that life forms from New South Wales are demonic, because it's just too bloody far away.

So alleged people from Australia are probably demons passing themse;lves off as human.


Kangaroos, platypuses, koalas, all obviously of alien origen.

Good try - but I am not from Australia...

 

[Jipsah]

These are just speculations, not theology. Christian theology is in Christian creeds and there is nothing against any other rational physical beings.

Thank you! 2000 years ago, my ancestors were devils transmarine. Evil slant-eyed beings who who spoke inhuman languages and worshipped strange gods. Now they live in Brentwood, send their children to Vanderbilt, marry white folks, and are deacons of the First Presbyterian Church.

"Oh, but that's different." Really? Did Christ really die for those strange cratures on distant continents? They're just Not Like Us, how can He have saved them too?

Tiny God Syndrome. "He just can't have saved them too...'