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Beings from beyond... Does it have to shake our theology?

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Not really. I accept that there can be lifeforms on other worlds. Angels came from somewhere and the descriptions of them seem pretty "alien-like" at times. I don't see it as they are just spiritual non corporeal beings, but they can be corporeal beings as well, coming from a physical universe. In Revelation there are 4 angels described as "beasts", and in Isaiah and Ezekiel cherubim are given very non human descriptions as well.

the popular second temple view of what demons were is the spirits of the Nephilim rather than the spirits of fallen angels. Angel just means messenger. so, it's possible that God uses intelligent beings from other planets as messengers rather than create a "species" of purely spiritual beings. I don't find this conflicting.
I also don't hold this dogmatically, only as a possibility. I don't think God revealed everything to us in the bible, just enough of what we need to know to worship Him and be saved and what's going to lead to our future. Everything else, will have to wait.

The word "demon" actually comes from Greek culture, and it didn't necessarily refer to an evil being, just to a spiritual being in general. One of the reasons Socrates was put to death, was for following his own inner daimonion, not recognized as a deity by the leaders of Athens.

Similar concepts existed in Mesopotamian religions of the time, and Second Temple Judaism recognized a whole host of spirits that could inhabit objects or places (like wells).
 
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The word "demon" actually comes from Greek culture, and it didn't necessarily refer to an evil being, just to a spiritual being in general. One of the reasons Socrates was put to death, was for following his own inner daimonion, not recognized as a deity by the leaders of Athens.

Similar concepts existed in Mesopotamian religions of the time, and Second Temple Judaism recognized a whole host of spirits that could inhabit objects or places (like wells).

Well I just mean second temple period thought in general was that demons were the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, as the angels that sinned are actually imprisoned, not roaming around able to torment people or possess them. But the spirits of Nephilim can because they were killed not imprisoned.
 
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Just a thought about the current disclosures being made by folks from the military about phenomena in the skies thought to be the activity of some advanced technology beyond normal human capabilities.

You can read about it on this thread... Whistleblower Testifies Under Oath to Congress that the Government has recovered "non-human biologics" from UFOs

Should these claims stack up and we are faced with there being life beyond the earth - will your theology cope with that ?

My thought is that such activity if real, is demonic in origin for these reasons.

First we know that angels can assume human form - otherwise we couldn't entertain them unawares as Scripture says.

It follows then that fallen angels are equally capable of appearing in physical forms and may present with very high intelligence and forms that are non humanoid.

Second the narrative in Revelation speaks about the deception to come involving signs and wonders on earth and in the sky.

Thirdly the temptation in the garden was all about knowledge and being presented with superior knowledge from such beings will again be Satans trump card to draw humanity away from Godliness.

Hey - these are my musings and it seems very soon this matter will be in our face to deal with if what we are hearing is to be believed.
Yeah I tend to agree. Also I don't think they can be intelligent human like beings who have fallen and need redemption as Christ died once and for all here on planet earth. For Christs impact into humanity to work we as sinners have to experience Christ within our own history. I don't think Christ was forced to be crucified over and over again on other planets.

Satan or rather the beast coming to earth as an alien is the perfect foil. If satan came as he was in spiritual form then people would see through him as the enermy of God. He came to Eve as a serpent to decieve and where humans are at in the present time and the future aliens seem to be just perfect timing or something planned where people are ready to recieve him.

We have got used to alien talk and some are even excited at the prospect. If they come in peace and have great tech that amazes us then people will see this as a sort of saviour for humankind. An alien leader could wield great power at the international level convincing the powers that the worled should do certain things to enable survival and a better world.

It may be that as a secular world people have evolved to a certain point of thinking that allows them to be more open to manipulation and the unreal. I know we are entertaining the idea of a one world government dictatorship type rule for the sake of resources, security and the Environment.

Maybe this is all amounting to the perfect storm of readiness where we may see some amazing things we never thought possible but also some signs that we are stepping closer to the end times.
 
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Also I don't think they can be intelligent human like beings who have fallen and need redemption as Christ died once and for all here on planet earth. For Christs impact into humanity to work we as sinners have to experience Christ within our own history. I don't think Christ was forced to be crucified over and over again on other planets.
100% totally agree
 
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Satan or rather the beast coming to earth as an alien is the perfect foil. If satan came as he was in spiritual form then people would see through him as the enermy of God. He came to Eve as a serpent to decieve and where humans are at in the present time and the future aliens seem to be just perfect timing or something planned where people are ready to recieve him.

We have got used to alien talk and some are even excited at the prospect. If they come in peace and have great tech that amazes us then people will see this as a sort of saviour for humankind. An alien leader could wield great power at the international level convincing the powers that the worled should do certain things to enable survival and a better world.

It may be that as a secular world people have evolved to a certain point of thinking that allows them to be more open to manipulation and the unreal. I know we are entertaining the idea of a one world government dictatorship type rule for the sake of resources, security and the Environment.

Maybe this is all amounting to the perfect storm of readiness where we may see some amazing things we never thought possible but also some signs that we are stepping closer to the end times.
The problem with this view is that Satan's goal is for us to NOT worship God. Here are the 2 main issues with him showing up as an alien:
1) Presenting as an alien, ie a creature from another planet would not stop many Christians from worshiping God, after all, the problem of death, sin, afterlife etc all still remain. No matter how advanced the tech, an alien can not pass themselves off as a supernatural deity.

2) Any aliens that come here with a ship, to be taken seriously, would need to give us access to that ship, not necessarily to all the super advanced tech but certainly to some of it, even if just a small amount.
Also they would need to allow reporters with TV cameras on board, along with scientists, & take them on a trip to Mars and the other planets.

Further, there should be no reason if aliens make formal contact why, if they can fly here from their planets, that they could not also take some reps of earth (again, reporters, scientists & some diplomatic representatives) to their actual home planet. So landing a ufo that does not have propellers or jet engines onto the White House lawn is one thing but actually taking people into space on a trip around our solar system let alone to their supposed home world and back is another thing entirely.


Current actual hard evidence (or complete lack of) agrees, so far, with the hypothesis that there are no other intelligent aliens out there.
 
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The problem with this view is that Satan's goal is for us to NOT worship God. Here are the 2 main issues with him showing up as an alien:
1) Presenting as an alien, ie a creature from another planet would not stop many Christians from worshiping God, after all, the problem of death, sin, afterlife etc all still remain. No matter how advanced the tech, an alien can not pass themselves off as a supernatural deity.
I think many Christians will fall for the beast and the wonders performed. Look at how theres a growing number of Christians going with the flow of secular ideologies that appear to be nobel on the surface but hide an a political agenda. I would expect the beast to be like this, appealing to sensitivities and popular culture which can be hard to resist even for Christians.

By that time I think what Christians are left many will have weak faith and even knowingly go along with things because its just too hard for them to keep their conviction with the lure of the false promises made by the new world authority and a better tommorrow. Or it may be that it gets to the point where for security and resource reasons that people have little choice but to go along and this is when Christianity will be tested and many will fall.
2) Any aliens that come here with a ship, to be taken seriously, would need to give us access to that ship, not necessarily to all the super advanced tech but certainly to some of it, even if just a small amount.
Also they would need to allow reporters with TV cameras on board, along with scientists, & take them on a trip to Mars and the other planets.
I am not sure. I would imagine many on earth will be in shock for some time, some sketical not for religious reasons, some just unsure to trust anyone, others wanting to embrace the new vistor/s and their tech. But I don't think we will get to a point where anyone will be insisting too much out of awe and fear.

Maybe certain people with power possibly associated with NATO may get some better insight and be our reps but who knows whether they may do some deal and keep everyone in the dark. They may help convince everyone that theres nothing to worry about and to trust them. But I do think if the beast did come as an alien then they will do whatever it takes to convince people that they are real and are here to make things better.

As Revelations mentions the beast does great signs even healing a mortal wound like which causes people to be decieved to follow him. It also says the people will wonder who can wage war against the beast like its invincible maybe through advanaced tech. So it may imply that some are just convinced by the almost magical powers but I suspect most will be in fear of the great power and authority and just go along.
Further, there should be no reason if aliens make formal contact why, if they can fly here from their planets, that they could not also take some reps of earth (again, reporters, scientists & some diplomatic representatives) to their actual home planet. So landing a ufo that does not have propellers or jet engines onto the White House lawn is one thing but actually taking people into space on a trip around our solar system let alone to their supposed home world and back is another thing entirely.
It may not be as dramatic as landing on the white house lawn. But it may be that only a small number are given access and everything is done in relative secret as it has been done for years feeding people bits of information they only want to give while telling us everything is OK. It maybe a secret deal is done with some and they work with the aliens to help bring about Satans rule.
Current actual hard evidence (or complete lack of) agrees, so far, with the hypothesis that there are no other intelligent aliens out there.
So you don't think the current hearings in Congress have any truth to them.
 
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I think many Christians will fall for the beast and the wonders performed. Look at how theres a growing number of Christians going with the flow of secular ideologies that appear to be nobel on the surface but hide an a political agenda. I would expect the beast to be like this, appealing to sensitivities and popular culture which can be hard to resist even for Christians.

By that time I think what Christians are left many will have weak faith and even knowingly go along with things because its just too hard for them to keep their conviction with the lure of the false promises made by the new world authority and a better tommorrow. Or it may be that it gets to the point where for security and resource reasons that people have little choice but to go along and this is when Christianity will be tested and many will fall.
The trouble with wonders is that because they pass themselves of as aliens rather than supernatural beings, then any wonders are just the result of advanced technology. So any human using their equipment would be able to do the same and we could build machines / equipment to do the same once we understand the science. So nothing supernatural about it. If the 'aliens' want to have us accept them then they should have no trouble sharing some of their scientific knowledge, but whatever it may be that they do, teleportation, levitating etc, it will all be the result of science so nothing to worship there.

It will take time for people to accept and trust them & in that time it should be patently & objectively clear that its science. If they can do something that they can not explain or will not explain that seems like a 'wonder' then that's a door to people saying - these are not who they seem to be. Remember they need to deceive not just Christians but Muslims, Buddhists, all religions. It will be one thing to DISTRACT people from thinking about God for a while (there are already plenty of distractions around so whats 1 more) but quite another for them to set themselves up, or at least their leader, as God which is what the Bible says the antichrist does.

Lastly the aliens should have no problem with people wanting to continue to have their own religions, why would they possibly object to that??
They would need to present an answer to death, sin, afterlife etc and for it TO BE PROVABLE otherwise they are no more 'advanced' in that area of life than we are & that would just be THEIR belief system. They could not come here as friendly and then insist people can not have a religion when they themselves DO NOT have the answers unless they do as per my last sentence.

I am not sure. I would imagine many on earth will be in shock for some time, some sketical not for religious reasons, some just unsure to trust anyone, others wanting to embrace the new vistor/s and their tech. But I don't think we will get to a point where anyone will be insisting too much out of awe and fear.

Maybe certain people with power possibly associated with NATO may get some better insight and be our reps but who knows whether they may do some deal and keep everyone in the dark. They may help convince everyone that theres nothing to worry about and to trust them. But I do think if the beast did come as an alien then they will do whatever it takes to convince people that they are real and are here to make things better.

As Revelations mentions the beast does great signs even healing a mortal wound like which causes people to be decieved to follow him. It also says the people will wonder who can wage war against the beast like its invincible maybe through advanaced tech. So it may imply that some are just convinced by the almost magical powers but I suspect most will be in fear of the great power and authority and just go along.
Yes, it will take time to trust them, THATS the point, the longer it takes the harder it is for them to fool us. Besides if their secret agenda IS for us to trust them them what better way than to be as much of an open book to us possible. So reporters on ships, take reps on flights around the solar system, after all that should be the equivalent of taking your car to the corner shop right??
If they can't even fly a group to hover over Mars, then they are not who & what they say they are. Satan will PAINT HIMSELF into a corner if he tries to pass himself off as an alien.

As per my last paragraph, great wonders and great healing are to be expected if you have the tech to fly interstellar distances. It would just be meeting expectations. To be seen as an alternative to God they have to EXCEED expectations, they need to really think about their KPI's :)
Now, when, as i believe, those great wonders & healing will NOT have any scientific explanation (ie not aliens) but can only be the result of supernatural power, then that's when people will start to say, "Hey, i think this could be God here!" That is when they are done by a man, the antichrist with no aliens around!

As to waging war, well yes, any tech that can fly interstellar distances will make mince meat of our military tech, BUT why on earth, would these so called 'aliens' want to wage war, against whom??
Far more likely that the anitchrist wins wars by brilliant strategic and tactical thinking while using everyday weapons and possibly smaller forces than his opponents. That's what will impress & its what gets him to the position of power, winning wars.
Anyone can win wars if their equipment is far enough advanced over their foes. Why would any nation become foes of these aliens anyway, what will they do and how many decades are they OVERTLY here before some people turn on them & why???

It may not be as dramatic as landing on the white house lawn. But it may be that only a small number are given access and everything is done in relative secret as it has been done for years feeding people bits of information they only want to give while telling us everything is OK. It maybe a secret deal is done with some and they work with the aliens to help bring about Satans rule.
If everything is done in relative secrecy then that just makes it that much harder for the aliens to present themselves as a viable alternative to God, church & scripture etc, not just to Christians but to all the worlds religions. Doing it by bits of information will take decades. Besides, with all the sci-fi that there is now, and most people, as evidenced by these threads, thinking that there are likely to be aliens out there, society would accept true FRIENDLY aliens very quickly. I would love to have advanced medical care available to me as i get into my senior years, to have my own personal food replicator & be able to teleport onto a ship for a trip round the solar system, Virgin Galactic eat your heart out baby!

So you don't think the current hearings in Congress have any truth to them.
Correct, the hearings will amount to a nothing burger & as i said earlier in this thread, most likely a distraction from something else, likely the stuff coming out about Biden's son etc
 
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I don't think Christ was forced to be crucified over and over again on other planets.
Change "planets" to "continents" to see it as ancient Christians might have, but, thankfully, did not. Did Christ have to be crucified in Asia to save people in Asian, or on the Pacific Islands to save the Islanders? What do you reckon the effective range of our Lord's sacrifice is? Is it limited to planets, or solar systems? If there were people on ther moon, would Christ have died for them as well, or is that too far away? I'm glad it extended to North America and Asia, else everyone in my fam would be outta luck.
Satan or rather the beast coming to earth as an alien is the perfect foil.
Why an alien? Why not an elf, humanoid but majestic and awe-inspiring? Let's face it, aliens are generally thought of as ugly critters who want to kill us. They're standard bad guys of fiction; aliens show up and everbody reachs for their guns. Not a good look if you're trying to effectively sell a diabolical bill of goods.
We have got used to alien talk
Most of it involved with mutilating animals, doing impromptu rectal exams on unfortunate "contactees", and otherwise being aerial nuisances. Oh yeah, where do we sign up?
and some are even excited at the prospect. There are always some, aren't there?
If they come in peace and have great tech that amazes us then people will see this as a sort of saviour for humankind.
The same could be said if they came as giant animated gummy bears. You can make up anthing you like to fit that scenario. Aliens, elves, smurfs, hedgehogs, whatever. With the same sales pitch they'd get the same reaction. In fact, that has always worked for Maximum Leaders throughout history, hasn't it? And most of them are just ugly little men,.
An alien leader could wield great power
Not automatically he wouldn't.

Anyway, aliens don't exist any mnore than elves do. "Prove they don't exist", right? Fair play, I'll prove aliens don't exist when you prove that elves don't exist.
(And for crying out loud don't give me the "the universe is soooooo big..." routine. It's rubbish.
 
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So you don't think the current hearings in Congress have any truth to them.
Sure they do. People routinely see flying things that can't be identified. That's the truth.

Some people insist those things must be spaceships or demons. That seems very unlikely.
 
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Change "planets" to "continents" to see it as ancient Christians might have, but, thankfully, did not. Did Christ have to be crucified in Asia to save people in Asian, or on the Pacific Islands to save the Islanders? What do you reckon the effective range of our Lord's sacrifice is? Is it limited to planets, or solar systems? If there were people on ther moon, would Christ have died for them as well, or is that too far away? I'm glad it extended to North America and Asia, else everyone in my fam would be outta luck.
Of course, people in the ancient world could still travel to the other continents, even if only slowly and with a fair bit of risk, to spread the word of the Gospel. Even today, we can't travel much past our moon so spreading the Word to other civs is pretty much out of the question.
 
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Of course, people in the ancient world could still travel to the other continents, even if only slowly and with a fair bit of risk, to spread the word of the Gospel. Even today, we can't travel much past our moon so spreading the Word to other civs is pretty much out of the question.
They may have been able, but the fact is that they did not in the cases of the Americas and Australia, not to mention Antarctica.
 
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They may have been able, but the fact is that they did not in the cases of the Americas and Australia, not to mention Antarctica.
I should qualify my statement to read "Of course, people in the ancient world could still travel to the other continents that they knew existed..." They (Gospel messengers) were not explorers per se, they were going to where they knew there were established populations.
 
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Change "planets" to "continents" to see it as ancient Christians might have, but, thankfully, did not. Did Christ have to be crucified in Asia to save people in Asian, or on the Pacific Islands to save the Islanders? What do you reckon the effective range of our Lord's sacrifice is? Is it limited to planets, or solar systems? If there were people on ther moon, would Christ have died for them as well, or is that too far away? I'm glad it extended to North America and Asia, else everyone in my fam would be outta luck.
I think it makes a difference in that all nations would hear about Christ. Even the Muslims had to acknowledge Christs existence on earth. It means we fit Christ into our own history, have archeological evdience, non Biblical textual evidence from scholars of the time and most important we have Gods Word in the Bible itself that comes from Christs own disciples and other witnesses. It also spark the birth of Christianity and the Church which would not have happened unless it happened on our planet.

You could turn things around and say what if Christs coming happened the other way around on some other planet in the universe and not earth. We would be sinners but have no idea about Christ as we don't even know there is life on another planet let alone that Christ came to save us.
Why an alien? Why not an elf, humanoid but majestic and awe-inspiring? Let's face it, aliens are generally thought of as ugly critters who want to kill us. They're standard bad guys of fiction; aliens show up and everbody reachs for their guns. Not a good look if you're trying to effectively sell a diabolical bill of goods.
Well it could be any type of living creature. Alien means not from native population so it could be an immigrant into the US or a creature from another planet. Whatever it is it has to sort of constitute some living form according to the same basic components that we have ie carbon based, organic, genetic code ect but perhaps with different evolution according to the environmental influences of that planet which will not be too deeifferent as life needs water for one. May have differnt shape, perhaps different breathing setup ect but still organic.

I don't think people are ready to reach for their guns nowadays as we understand a lot more. Some are even looking forward to making contact. Besides the Bible says that everyone will be in awe and wonder that the beast will command so much power to wipe out anyone that they would be too scared to do anything.
Most of it involved with mutilating animals, doing impromptu rectal exams on unfortunate "contactees", and otherwise being aerial nuisances. Oh yeah, where do we sign up?
I think we have a more sophisticated understanding today. They are interested in discovering what they know and how they can help us. It seems a coincident or not that we are getting direct confirmation from intelligence which had continually denied alien existence at a time when we are more ready to recieve aliens. We have advanced our unerstanding of the universe, of quantum physics and genetics to a point where we are open to the weird and unbelievable.
The same could be said if they came as giant animated gummy bears.
We would truely be in awe if they came as giant gummie bears. Especially those who love gummy bears. WE could end up being the insect pests to the aliens as they feel little bites all over them as people tried to eat the giant gummy bears.
You can make up anthing you like to fit that scenario. Aliens, elves, smurfs, hedgehogs, whatever. With the same sales pitch they'd get the same reaction. In fact, that has always worked for Maximum Leaders throughout history, hasn't it? And most of them are just ugly little men,.
Well if they have the tech to reach our planet from a far disatant place then they have some pretty cool tech in other ways thats going to amaze and scare us. We would look upon them as gods because their power would be beyond what we could comprehend like it was magic. I mean if they could read minds then thats scary but also amazing.
Not automatically he wouldn't.
It would be automatic if their power was great and we realized that trying anything would be futile. Or even that they were so superior having great capability that we could not deny their authority and knowledge being greater than ours to question it. I think it would be the first. We would be too fearful of defying them. Though I think people would be in awe and maybe volunarily go along it would be a forced peace.
Anyway, aliens don't exist any mnore than elves do. "Prove they don't exist", right? Fair play, I'll prove aliens don't exist when you prove that elves don't exist.
(And for crying out loud don't give me the "the universe is soooooo big..." routine. It's rubbish.
Ok so at the very least we don't know either way. So claiming "aliens don't exist any mnore than elves do" is a bit premature. I don't know either if aliens exist. We have heard these stories for a 100 years or more and never seen any clear evdience.

But this latest admittance by intelligence, the very people we have always said were covering up. This is a bit deifferent as its coming straight from the horses mouth. Its coming from intelligence and not some personal testimony.

Now they are either lying, mistaking what they see as some earthly phenomena or its real. That we will have to wait and see. But I find the testimonies interesting as they are talking about technology beyond human capability and that they actually have biological material that is not human. Why would they make this up or lie at a congressional hearing which is more or less a jailable offence.
 
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Sure they do. People routinely see flying things that can't be identified. That's the truth.

Some people insist those things must be spaceships or demons. That seems very unlikely.
Ah they mention much more than just seeing something they can't identify. They chase them, have interactions with them, they claim they actually have an alien space craft or part of and even biological alien material. They also identify them pretty clearly as having capability beyond anything we could have. We even have footage for the world to see of them chasing the little critters.

Now these could be something else, I don't think of human capability even the Chinese could not have this level of tech because if they did you would see this reflected in their other more commercial tech and its just not their. Their capability is pretty much similar to ours just a little more advanaced but the same.

I don't think its light reflections because they have controlled repsonses, turning away, coming towards, changing direction. I deon't think its made up because more than opne pilot and radar operator is seeing the same thing. I just don't know but its highly interesting.
 
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As i said, theological implications not specific texts, but since you asked here is the argument:
If there were intelligent life comparable to us on other planets, then :
1) if they sinned they have no way to be saved as Jesus will not die again and he did not die for them. It would be like someone saying to us that Gods Son went to live on another planet as some alien and lived a perfect life there and if you believe that he did that then you can share in his salvation, but the story of his life and death be set in alien worlds and cultures etc with not one shred of proof. Yet you'd still be expected to live a moral life because of it and even die because of it.

No religion does that and one should not expect any alien life to understand, believe or accept what they are told about some far of planet called Earth.

In short this position states that any aliens that sin don't have a way to get right with God again AND therefore God would not have created them if he knew He would not be able to save them if they sinned.

2) Further, if the assumption is that there are aliens but they have never sinned, then they would not experience death as God would not let them die, but rather they would already have entered eternity, ie be at least equal to angels and hence not need to dwell in this material universe.

Lastly, the bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.

It is broadly due to this line of reasoning that i say that as a Christian, my theology leads me to conclude that there is no other comparable intelligent carbon based mortal life anywhere else in this universe, other than possibly plant and animal life

A slightly longer version can be found here:
who's to say Jesus couldn't have died for other beings as well? I mean if there were other creations who are we God's creation to say what He should or could have done for them? Or who are we to require what God should have said in The Bible about them?

Does God include everything He ever did or taught angels? We must eventually admit the extent of what God has done is not solely limited by the 66 books of the Bible, rather what God has deemed necessary for us humans is written in those books that make up the Bible, but certainly not EVERYTHING God ever did or taught or made

The logic behind this verse applies to this situation:

But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Romans 9:20
 
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Well it could be any type of living creature. Alien means not from native population so it could be an immigrant into the US or a creature from another planet. Whatever it is it has to sort of constitute some living form according to the same basic components that we have ie carbon based, organic, genetic code ect but perhaps with different evolution according to the environmental influences of that planet which will not be too deeifferent as life needs water for one. May have differnt shape, perhaps different breathing setup ect but still organic.
Just as Jesus Christ was a man so too shall the antichrist be a man, Satan's counterfeit man, counterfeit to Jesus sinless life. The antichrist will be a normal human, nothing less or more, but will be given power by the beast (the devil).
 
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who's to say Jesus couldn't have died for other beings as well? I mean if there were other creations who are we God's creation to say what He should or could have done for them? Or who are we to require what God should have said in The Bible about them?

Does God include everything He ever did or taught angels? We must eventually admit the extent of what God has done is not solely limited by the 66 books of the Bible, rather what God has deemed necessary for us humans is written in those books that make up the Bible, but certainly not EVERYTHING God ever did or taught or made

The logic behind this verse applies to this situation:

But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Romans 9:20
Are you saying that Jesus dies on the aliens world also? if so then you are saying that He might die multiple times, perhaps hundreds if there are lots of aliens out there. The Bible however says He dies just once.
Or are you saying that His death here also covers their sin, how would they hear about it then? Also, they would have to believe in something that happens on another world, possibly one they have no knowledge off. What about if these aliens don't themselves know if other life exists outside of their planet? Its asking a lot. Jesus would have to reveal himself to a lot of these other aliens to kick off Christianity there, with all sorts of weird and incorrect understandings of the scriptures. We have problems enough understanding scripture & it all happened on this planet!
 
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Are you saying that Jesus dies on the aliens world also? if so then you are saying that He might die multiple times, perhaps hundreds if there are lots of aliens out there. The Bible however says He dies just once.
Or are you saying that His death here also covers their sin, how would they hear about it then? Also, they would have to believe in something that happens on another world, possibly one they have no knowledge off. What about if these aliens don't themselves know if other life exists outside of their planet? Its asking a lot. Jesus would have to reveal himself to a lot of these other aliens to kick off Christianity there, with all sorts of weird and incorrect understandings of the scriptures. We have problems enough & it all happened on this planet!
it might be a lot for the average human to wrap their head around that God can be everywhere at once and therefore not only could have made other civilizations but if they also sinned then He could also have died for them on their planet.

It's a possibility, it might be difficult to comprehend because a lot of people think we are the center of the universe and understandably so, i mean our small planet is all we've ever known.

We just cannot limit God is what i'm saying.

It's like people who think the dinosaurs never existed. God created them too you know it doesn't stop what He did or our faith in Jesus.
 
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it might be a lot for the average human to wrap their head around that God can be everywhere at once and therefore not only could have made other civilizations but if they also sinned then He could also have died for them on their planet.

It's a possibility, it might be difficult to comprehend because a lot of people think we are the center of the universe and understandably so, i mean our small planet is all we've ever known.

We just cannot limit God is what i'm saying.

It's like people who think the dinosaurs never existed. God created them too you know it doesn't stop what He did or our faith in Jesus.
We are the center of the universe and Jerusalem is the center of the center. The new Jerusalem in which God will dwell, will come down to this planet, admittedly after its had a makeover. Also, Revelation says that the heavens and the earth are re created so a lot of aliens will have their worlds destroyed or redone on our schedule.
There may be many more creatures in heaven than just angels but not in the material universe, not intelligent ones
 
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We are the center of the universe and Jerusalem is the center of the center. The new Jerusalem in which God will dwell, will come down to this planet, admittedly after its had a makeover. Also, Revelation says that the heavens and the earth are re created so a lot of aliens will have their worlds destroyed or redone on our schedule.
There may be many more creatures in heaven than just angels but not in the material universe, not intelligent ones
who are we to say what God did and did not make and what God could and could not do?
 
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