Baptism, Is it required to go to heaven?

[The Mighty Sword]

There are scriptures concerning baptism to get to heaven and then there is scripture not requiring baptism. What's you take on baptism opinion and scripture please.

 

[EazyMack]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7370355/

 

[startrekfan1]

Yes, Baptism is required for the remission of sins.

Listen, Believe Confess, Repent, and be baptized, and you shall have the holy spirit come into you and your sins washed away.

Go to your nearest Church of Christ and they will tell you the details.

 

[Sketcher]

Baptism is an act of obedience to the Lord (Mark 16:16). It symbolizes our commitment to Him (1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:1-4) much as a wedding ring symbolizes the marriage commitment. What he did on the cross takes care of our sins (Ephesians 2:1-9). However, if we love him, we will be baptized (Luke 6:46, John 14:15).

 

[Svt4Him]

Nope, it's not. Just ask the thief who died next to Jesus.

 

[SpiritDriven]

Nope, it's not. Just ask the thief who died next to Jesus.

How refreshing it is to hear truth spoken with such simplicity...

Grace and Peace to you....always!

 

[jwaitman]

ask the thief who died next to Jesus

WOW! 8 words. I've been trying to think of a simply way to convey this message for a couple years now.

Thank you.

 

[Madcap Mo]

I'm in the thinking that everytime we confess our sins to the Lord Christ and ask for forgiveness we are baptised, not all refresment is liquid.

 

[The Mighty Sword]

Nope, it's not. Just ask the thief who died next to Jesus.

Ding, ding, ding, Folks we have a winner.

 

[stelow]

I really don't think the thief is a good example, because he was forgiven by Jesus before He died on the cross.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7370355/

And as EazyMack was so kind to post this link to show it has already been discussed at some lengths that include my replies and others on this matter of water baptism.

 

[dies-l]

Yes, Baptism is required for the remission of sins.

Listen, Believe Confess, Repent, and be baptized, and you shall have the holy spirit come into you and your sins washed away.

Go to your nearest Church of Christ and they will tell you the details.

I have a friend who is Church of Christ, and I must say that he and I disagree about many things. The worst, however, is his continued insistence that, because I am not a member of his denomination, I am not really saved.

But, that is beside the point. The reality about baptism is that it is an extremely important religious observance, but it is not strictly essential to salvation. What I mean is this: If you are a sincere follower of Jesus Christ, then you will obey him. If you obey him, you will choose to be baptized.

However, there are several reasons why the baptism may not occur. For example, if a person passes away after they have accepted Christ, but before they are able to be baptised, there is nothing in Scripture to suggest that that person is unsaved (the CoC however would disagree). Likewise, if a believer has a disability that makes physical baptism an impossibility, there is nothing in Scripture to suggest that that person is unsaved as a result. If a new believer fails to immediately recognize the importance of baptism and chooses not to be baptized out of ignorance, rather than rebellion, nothing in Scripture suggests that the person remains unsaved; however, if that person is sincere, he or she will likely discover the error in their theology.

The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace, through faith. Nothing more, nothing less. Baptism is something more. A willful refusal to be baptized is something less.

For those who cling to the baptism is necessary viewpoint, I would pose the following question: At what point does a person become saved? If the new believer has a fatal heart attack on the way to the baptistry, is that person going to hell? What about if the new believer slips in a puddle next to the baptistry and fatally hits his head on the ground? What about if the person is electricuted upon entering the baptistry before the pastor is able to say the proper words?

 

[Sketcher]

For those who cling to the baptism is necessary viewpoint, I would pose the following question: At what point does a person become saved? If the new believer has a fatal heart attack on the way to the baptistry, is that person going to hell? What about if the new believer slips in a puddle next to the baptistry and fatally hits his head on the ground? What about if the person is electricuted upon entering the baptistry before the pastor is able to say the proper words?

They generally default to "baptism by desire," which they attribute to the thief on the cross. That is, they would have been baptized if they could help it.

 

[The Mighty Sword]

They generally default to "baptism by desire," which they attribute to the thief on the cross. That is, they would have been baptized if they could help it.

Amen,

Let's take a look at the senario of a car accident, the sinner is going to die right there and then asks for forgivness accepts Christs and believes That Christ is his LORD and saviour according to scripture he is going to heaven.

"For who so ever believes in me shall not perish but have eternal life"

 

[blackpage25]

Nope, it's not. Just ask the thief who died next to Jesus.

Excellent job!

While I'd think that all Christians would WANT to be baptized, it is not required.

 

[Spirit_Star]

This is clearly on of the most debatable things in Christianity and unfortunately it could mean dire consequences to some. People often use the thief on the cross as an example however this man passed before Jesus died so it certainly could be said that up until Christ died that it was not a requirement for one to be baptized to get to Paradise. There are places in the bible that seem to say yes it is a requirement and there are others that seem to indicated it is optional. I suppose the best thing to do is to seek the answer from God and surely he will let you know in some way if one continues to pray about it.


I also think someone not being able to physical be baptized or dies prior to their scheduled baptism. Is different then someone just choosing not to get baptized because they don’t want too. Most people would follow Christ example and be baptized.

 

[The Mighty Sword]

Christians see things alot different than say, catholics, we don't baptize our babies we do what was done to Christ and that is to have have our babies dedicated to him, as Christ was dedicated to GOD. And if there is anyone out there saying you have to get baptized then you better get a message to the thief on the Cross next to Jesus, he was told today you will be with me in paradise, no baptism there. I believe it's all about circumstances, I was babptized as a baby and as an adult, when I found out what baptism meant I read on it, studied it, owned it and got baptized! Repent and be baptized is just as well, but a baby doesn't need to repent of anything, let alone talk.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, Baptism is required for the remission of sins.

Listen, Believe Confess, Repent, and be baptized, and you shall have the holy spirit come into you and your sins washed away.

Go to your nearest Church of Christ and they will tell you the details.

You then must have a real problem with Acts 10:44-48 since the order is opposite to what you stated. Saving faith is what saves not baptism.

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

 

[The Mighty Sword]

Startrekfan

"Yes, Baptism is required for the remission of sins.

Listen, Believe Confess, Repent, and be baptized, and you shall have the holy spirit come into you and your sins washed away."

Can you direct me to that Scripture please. that is a pretty bold statement. Most people confess their sins and they are like a cloud once here and now gone.
.
Hebrews 10:16-17 16"This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds. 17Then he adds:
"Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.

I didn't see baptism in there anywhere

Isaiah 43:25 25 "I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.

 

[Rhamiel]

Christians see things alot different than say, catholics, we don't baptize our babies we do what was done to Christ and that is to have have our babies dedicated to him, as Christ was dedicated to GOD. And if there is anyone out there saying you have to get baptized then you better get a message to the thief on the Cross next to Jesus, he was told today you will be with me in paradise, no baptism there. I believe it's all about circumstances, I was babptized as a baby and as an adult, when I found out what baptism meant I read on it, studied it, owned it and got baptized! Repent and be baptized is just as well, but a baby doesn't need to repent of anything, let alone talk.

Methodist, Anglicans, Lutherans and many other Christians groups besides Catholics and Orthodox baptise babies

 

[The Mighty Sword]

Methodist, Anglicans, Lutherans and many other Christians groups besides Catholics and Orthodox baptise babies

Thanks??? now I know there are four more religions that needlessly baptize babies.