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There's NO CONTRADICTIONS AT ALL.
That's for other threads, and already dealt with.

The only seeming contradictions are from men, not from YHWH.

Then answer me: why are Jesus's last words different in each Gospel if every word of the Bible is supposed to be true? There can't ALL be true.

Honestly, I think you're afraid. You're afraid of questions, of things that make your question or put the words of the Bible in doubt as you understand it, no matter what the evidence even in the Bible itself implies? Any contradictions that are found you either ignore or try to explain away because you're afraid to question anything and berate others for doing so.

You don't have to be afraid of questioning. It's worse to see a contradiction and ignore it and act like it doesn't exist than it is to actually confront it and acknowledge the contraction is there.
 
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Different thread. And not for me. You just admitted in this short quote you don't believe YHWH'S WORD IS PERFECT. Whoever you believe instead is the one to take it up with.
EVERY WORD OF YHWH is SURE AND TRUE AND PERFECT, as YHWH SAYS.
Then answer me: why are Jesus's last words different in each Gospel if every word of the Bible is supposed to be true? There can't ALL be true.
 
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Different thread. And not for me. You just admitted in this short quote you don't believe YHWH'S WORD IS PERFECT. Whoever you believe instead is the one to take it up with.
EVERY WORD OF YHWH is SURE AND TRUE AND PERFECT, as YHWH SAYS.

Then if I made a different thread about those contradictions, would you answer it then since you're avoiding it now due to not being related to the thread topic? And in a tangential way you could argue that it is, because the OP was worried about the Mark of the Beast being literal, and you state the entire Bible is literal (which has me curious as to why no one worries about a beast with multiple heads and horns rising up), so given the "accuracy of the Bible's words" discussion I feel like an explanation for why Jesus's last words are different in each Gospel when they shouldn't be deserves at least somewhat of an answer. Though IU could simply start a thread about these Biblical contradictions and you could answer there. And actually answer, not just with "YHWH's word is perfect and even though there's clearly a contradiction here I'm going to say there's not because one verse written by a human says all Scripture is God-breathed so it must be".

God never said his word is perfect. The writer of Timothy did. A human can say anything but they'd need to prove it to be true, anyone could have said their Scripture is God-breathed and automatically have it assumed it's true even if its not. There may have been other books that claimed they were God-breathed, how can they tell which ones are true from the ones that were lying?

A human was the one who directly penned the "All Scripture is God-breathed" line, and it doesn't say that God said it. It says the author of that book said it, not God, and by what you say humans are fallible. You can't just say "This is true because a human says it is"
 
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God never said his word is perfect. The writer of Timothy did. A human can say anything but they'd need to prove it to be true, anyone could have said their Scripture is God-breathed and automatically have it assumed it's true even if its not. There may have been other books that claimed they were God-breathed, how can they tell which ones are true from the ones that were lying?

A human was the one who directly penned the "All Scripture is God-breathed" line, and it doesn't say that God said it. It says the author of that book said it, not God, and by what you say humans are fallible. You can't just say "This is true because a human says it is"
Because of the newly implemented rules of this site,
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Like I said at first, I'm paranoid. I want to be 100% sure i don't get this mark. I'm afraid because I read this post of someone theorising about how the devil will speak to people to deceive them and it popped into my head "that sounds nice" because I was looking at the part about people going to heaven and eternal bliss then I realised it was SATAN'S eternal bliss and saying he could overthrow God and I'm scared I don't support the devil I just got misled for a second.


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You're scared of the wrong things. You do not need to concern yourself with the Mark at all. God will protect you if you have built your life on the foundation of Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46-49). For those that have entrusted themselves to Jesus Christ, there is no reason to fear anything (Matthew 6:25-34 and many others). But since people do, I'll say: be afraid of not being genuinely devoted to Jesus Christ, not of the Mark.

Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. (Matthew 22:37-38, 1984 NIV)

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? (Luke 6:46, 1984 NIV)

Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you. ”So we say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” (bold mine, Hebrews 13:5-6, 1984 NIV)
 
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Because of the newly implemented rules of this site,
I cannot discuss this with you, not even in messaging.
I know of no rule that limits what may be discussed in private, except for violating no contact requests.
 
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This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

Hello, DeerGlow, and a bit of belated welcome to CF - I see that you are still fairly new. :) I hope that you are being blessed by being here. :)

I understand your concern in reading through what sounds very frightening in Revelation.

But ask yourself this - Who is God? What is He like? Is the Almighty God, Who knows all things, Who loved YOU with an everlasting love, so much so that He would take on human flesh just so that He could die for you - do you think such a God is so ineffectual and so petty that He can't keep those who sincerely love Him?

Besides, it says those take the mark of the beast AND worship him. Keep God first in your heart, and never worship anyone/thing else.

If Revelation is causing you too much distress, maybe some time in the Gospels would be reassuring to you.

Above all, dear one, trust in God at all times, and He will keep you.

Again welcome to CF. May God be with you and keep you in peace.
 
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This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

Although there is a possibility that some aspect of the Mark is physical, I mostly think it is a spiritual mark that people willingly "buy into," and they've been doing so for a long time (i.e. since the days of the Roman Empire).

Basically, to avoid receiving the Mark of the Beast, affirm the Decalogue and the Shema by continuing in your love and devotion to God as Jesus Christ directed.

In other words, don't be like "Hugh Hefner and his Paganites" who commit themselves to running after Mammon and the many perverted ideas and activities available in this world. Follow and obey Jesus, and you won't get the Mark ... :cool:

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According to one denomination the mark of the wild best is lending political support to nations o0f the earth via voting.
According to various denominations, there is much speculation about the beast, the mark of the beast, the Antichrist, and the time of Christ's return. Such speculating is rarely edifying or priofitable ...
 
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Hello, DeerGlow, and a bit of belated welcome to CF - I see that you are still fairly new. :) I hope that you are being blessed by being here. :)

I understand your concern in reading through what sounds very frightening in Revelation.

But ask yourself this - Who is God? What is He like? Is the Almighty God, Who knows all things, Who loved YOU with an everlasting love, so much so that He would take on human flesh just so that He could die for you - do you think such a God is so ineffectual and so petty that He can't keep those who sincerely love Him?

Besides, it says those take the mark of the beast AND worship him. Keep God first in your heart, and never worship anyone/thing else.

If Revelation is causing you too much distress, maybe some time in the Gospels would be reassuring to you.

Above all, dear one, trust in God at all times, and He will keep you.

Again welcome to CF. May God be with you and keep you in peace.

Sometimes the Gospels scare me too. I fear the unpardonable sin. I don't want to commit a sin with no forgiveness. I'm just worried it's possible.


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Sometimes the Gospels scare me too. I fear the unpardonable sin. I don't want to commit a sin with no forgiveness. I'm just worried it's possible.


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Yes, I can understand why that is fearful too. But you have to look at the big picture. Do you know what the scribes and Pharisees were and had been doing? (Luke gives less information in the context than Matthew and Mark do.) They watched Christ performing miracles and doing the work of God, and they were jealous and hated Him for it. They were looking for excuses to kill Him. That was their heart towards Him. They were utterly rejecting God. And so they claimed that Christ was working with the spirit of Satan, to try to keep people from believing a Him for the sake of the miracles. Do you see the utter rejection of God fueled by their own pride, to the point they were willing to call the Holy Spirit something satanic for their own selfish purposes?

I doubt you have that kind of heart. Most ministers will simply tell folks that if they worry they might have committed it, they haven't. That's very simplistic, but it's a good enough guideline. Worry about it shows a heart open to God.

God is not some mean man up in the sky, watching us like bugs under a miscroscope, just looking for any excuse to squash us. That's a blasphemous idea. God has done everything necessary to reconcile us to Him, to the point of Christ taking on human flesh and dying a torturous death. Imagine a father who loves his children so much that he did such a thing to rescue them, even when they were rebellious and living their own lives for their own pleasure and ignoring him. Do you imagine that same father would be likely to then immediately reject his child forever because they accidentally broke some technical rule they didn't even understand? We shouldn't think more poorly of God than we do that hypothetical human father.

Fear of condemnation is a starting point, and that's ok. But growing in love and understanding, that will be replaced in stages as one grows in wisdom, and when love is perfected, one no longer walks in constant fear. We learn to trust God rather than fear that He will pull a rug out from under us, letting us tumble down into hell when we never saw it coming.

I hope this helps a little. Perhaps the Gospel of St. John and his epistles would be helpful. :)
 
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The problem would not be "private" communication.

Forgive me. I thought that's what you were talking about.


Because of the newly implemented rules of this site,
I cannot discuss this with you, not even in messaging.

And I mentioned that the rules do not prohibit free discussion of topics via pm, in case you were misinformed and were willing to continue the conversation.
 
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According to various denominations, there is much speculation about the beast, the mark of the beast, the Antichrist, and the time of Christ's return. Such speculating is rarely edifying or priofitable ...
Well, they do provide what appears to be solid scriptural support for that conclusion.
 
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This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

"fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

The "Mark":

5480. charagma
Strong's Concordance

charagma: a stamp, impress

Original Word: χάραγμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: charagma
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ag-mah)
Short Definition: sculpture, a stamp, sign
Definition: sculpture; engraving, a stamp, sign.

The only people that will take the mark are the same people that will worship (follow) the beast. These are the same people from Revelation 13 who's names have NOT been written "before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain". We are NOT like these people.

These are the same people from Revelation 9 who do NOT have the Seal of God on their foreheads.

God's People will NOT be able to be tricked or coerced into taking the "mark". It will be impossible because we have the Seal of God on our foreheads, our names have been written in the Lamb's book of Life. Nobody can snatch us from His Righteous Right Hand.

We won't miss spotting the mark because it comes after the Antichrist causes fire to fall from heaven in the presence of men. Then his demonic angels will be given the power to torment the people who do NOT have the Seal of the living God on their foreheads. These are those who do Not have their names written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

"They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them".

Lucifer's angels will motivate the wicked to actively seek getting the "mark" of the beast so that they won't get stung anymore. Some of these people might sit around on their couch for weeks eating their cupboards bare before making their decisions. These locusts stinging the wicked will speed up the pace of events and by the time the 5 months are finished, the majority of peoples will find themselves in one of either two groups.

These demonic angels won't be able to come near us at all because we "have the seal of God on" our foreheads. Our names have been written before the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who was slain. Otherwise we wouldn't even be here worried about it and talking about it on a public forum.

That's my read on it anyways.

“Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come, and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

Peaceful Sabbath. :)

"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
 
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Forgive me. I thought that's what you were talking about.




And I mentioned that the rules do not prohibit free discussion of topics via pm, in case you were misinformed and were willing to continue the conversation.


I honestly think he just wants to avoid the conversations because he's afraid of questioning things. He's so firm that only his view of the Bible is truly God's word that he nearly attacks anyone one who dares question what he sees as God's word.
 
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That the wild beast has a political nature can be deduced from the fact that Daniel's prophecy refers to rising of world empires as wild beasts. So the wild beast is rightfully viewed as a conglomerate representation of all world powers of political systems. Having its mark then must be a politically induced phenomenon.
 
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Deerglow... please check out these links for a Bible study into this matter. Do not let anyone tell you what the Bible says regarding itself, it can interpret itself with proper study. Here is a hint, receiving the mark will be about worship as we are told that those that worship the beast will receive his mark.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4997

God would not have anyone unknowingly receive of the mark, so you have nothing to fear. Our God is merciful and loving and would not expect us to guess at what the Bible is warning us against.

Here is a video of pastor Batchelor giving the same Bible study...

 
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