Avoiding the Mark of the beast

[Dave Watchman]

Considering revelations isnt divinely inspired nor should be in canon scripture, i think you are ok OP.

Shabbat Shalom.




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[Godislove94]

This is what I can gather from studying scripture: The Mark of the Beast is something that when taken by people, will cause them to die spiritually and be hardened against God to the point where they are made completely reprobate and irredeemable. We see it in Genesis: God put the Tree of Life in the Garden, to where if Adam and Eve would have eaten of it before they sinned, they would have been made incorruptible and sin would be unable to happen. Satan would have been defeated then and there. They would have been made the way we will be made when we either die and enter God's presence in Heaven or at the end of time when the saints are given their new bodies in New Jerusalem. The reason the Lord removed Adam and Eve from the Garden after they sinned was not only a judgment, but it was also an act of mercy because if Adam and Eve had been allowed to eat of the Tree of Life after they sinned, then they would become irredeemable.

Something interesting that I find as well: if we look at Deuteronomy 6, in verse 8 the Israelites are commanded by God to bind His laws on their forehead and hands, meaning that they are to swear complete allegiance to Him (Deuteronomy 6:8). In the time spoken of in Revelation when Satan comes to deceive the world with false signs and wonders and convince the unsaved world that he is God, then he will also counterfeit the promise of eternal life to all who are deceived, saying that they can have all of it if they only take his mark on their hands and their foreheads: complete allegiance, complete spiritual death, complete hardening against God making people irredeemable...they will be made like the fallen angels.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

• Revelation 13:16-18

And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, except he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred three score and six.​

So far as I understand this passage, this has not happened yet. I do not see anybody receiving any kind of mark upon their foreheads or in their right hand in order to buy or sell, do you?



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[yeshuaslavejeff]

God would not have anyone unknowingly receive of the mark, so you have nothing to fear. Our God is merciful and loving and would not expect us to guess at what the Bible is warning us against.

I think there are a few billion people who will unknowingly receive the mark
because by the time it is instituted so to speak
they have already before then been given over to believe their
own delusions --- they rejected Y'SHUA MESSIAH some time before that, and YHWH gave them over to believe whatever their delusion is.
i.e. it is not only because of the act of receiving the mark that they are judged by YHWH,
but for their whole life they were profane like Esau, or similarly if it matters some other way.

 

[Borislav]

Its coming! Don't take it! 2017 will be the year.

 

[rockytopva]

If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.”" - – Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ’s coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However… Isaac Newton notes…...


“"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –- Isaac Newton

So I would say 2053 AD, or 37 years from Christmas will be the earliest date for this set up.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Its coming! Don't take it! 2017 will be the year.

Why do you say that? It was hinted in Revelation it was meant for that time.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Why do you say that? It was hinted in Revelation it was meant for that time.

Boris might be one of the 144,000, he might be in the know.

I think it'll be in August of 2018.

5 months later the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light.

I think that the worst part of the tribulation will be wrapped up in 420 days, a third of 1260.

 

[keras]

I am saddened by the confused and unbiblical guesswork replies from some here.
Having a proper understanding of what God has planned for His people in the end times of this age, means we should not fear the future.
As Revelation 12:6-17 says, we Christians will be here when Satan is cast down from heaven, but those faithful ones are taken to a place of safety and the rest will also keep out of his way. I do not see anywhere that Christians will be forced to take the mark of the beast.

 

[CrystalDragon]

I am saddened by the confused and unbiblical guesswork replies from some here.
Having a proper understanding of what God has planned for His people in the end times of this age, means we should not fear the future.
As Revelation 12:6-17 says, we Christians will be here when Satan is cast down from heaven, but those faithful ones are taken to a place of safety and the rest will also keep out of his way. I do not see anywhere that Christians will be forced to take the mark of the beast.

I don't get why people say "Satan already fell from Heaven", and yet others say "Satan will fall from heaven because Revelation, the last book of the Bible that almost wasn't included, says so". You can't have it both ways. Either Satan's in heaven, or he's not. People take some things of Revelation as literal and others as symbolic, and it seems like people flip-flop when it's all heavily symbolic and was specifically addressed to the churches of the time.

 

[Goatee]

Don't worry about any 'mark'. Just continue in the faith and let God do what he has to do.

 

[DingDing]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

Perhaps the more scary thing is the various ways people can be lured into the beast system. I think the #1 danger is to think that you are immune (can't be sucked in, no way, no how). Lots of churches teach this deception.

 

[Goatee]

The cross of Jesus. This is what everyone should be thinking of. What they should be praying about. Not worrying about the mark of the beast!! Concentrate of Jesus, on God for goodness sake!!

 

[John Hyperspace]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

First let me say that, as I'm lead to understand, this is a figurative mark. This entire book is figuratively understood, which is to say, understood spiritually. Now this, mark of the beast in the forehead, is in opposition to the, seal of God in the forehead: Revelation 7:3, Revelation 9:4; and what we're seeing here is a difference being made between "worldly understanding" of the Word of God, and, "spiritual understanding" of the Word of God. That is, a separating of worldly Christianity, and, spiritual Christianity. One of the key differences between the two is the former practices "work of the law" (which is why they also have the mark 'in the right hand' showing they are 'working in the Sabbath': Galatians 5:4) in order to "make themselves right"; while the latter do not put any of their own will to work in their worship, but completely rely only upon the finished work of Christ (which is why there is no 'seal in the right hand showing they are 'resting from their works': Hebrews 4:9-11).

But as for being doomed, bear in mind that everyone is being deceived into taking this mark (they are not doing it on purpose): they are doomed to correction, just as every man is sooner or later doomed to correction (if we were so: Ephesians 2:2-3, Ephesians 5:8): so what we are really seeing here is everyone coming out of 'confusion' as Babel/Babylon is destroyed: meaning, worldly religion with all of its sensual, carnal understandings, all of its earthy ritualism and earthy understandings of the Word of God are destroyed, and all things are made new in the Spirit: Revelation 21:5, 2 Corinthians 5:17; everything (even the entire creation) purged from the ungodliness of the carnal understanding through the fire of the everlasting gospel, the Word of God, to the purification of the Spirit: Romans 8:5-6, 2 Corinthians 3:6, John 4:24. So what we are seeing in the Revelation is the utter destruction of earthy worship of God, and, the drawing of all men into the spiritual worship of God (which is worship in truth):

Remember that what is important to God is the state of the heart: the intent of the heart: Hebrews 4:12, Romans 8:27, Psalms 7:9, Psalms 26:2; it's not a trial of intellect, but, of heart which is why John says: 1 John 3:20-21. So, no need to be paranoid, or worrying about being tricked, if your heart is performing with good intentions in faith, hope and love. This is really about getting everyone's understanding out of the earthy mind, and, into the heavenly.

 

[~Anastasia~]

The cross of Jesus. This is what everyone should be thinking of. What they should be praying about. Not worrying about the mark of the beast!! Concentrate of Jesus, on God for goodness sake!!

I'm afraid I wandered in here by mistake through the "new" threads. After several varying opinions I checked to see where I was, then I wasn't too surprised.

Indeed, in all things, focusing on Christ instead of the difficulty is always the answer.

 

[Winken]

Sometimes the Gospels scare me too. I fear the unpardonable sin. I don't want to commit a sin with no forgiveness. I'm just worried it's possible.


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You identify yourself as a Baptist. If that is an indication that you have confessed Jesus as Savior, you have ZERO to fear. There is no Mark of the Beast or unpardonable sin for you. Regrettably, you ask a simple question in your OP, and posters use it as an opportunity to debate. When will they learn?

Relax, and go on about your day.

 

[DeerGlow]

You identify yourself as a Baptist. If that is an indication that you have confessed Jesus as Savior, you have ZERO to fear. There is no Mark of the Beast or unpardonable sin for you. Regrettably, you ask a simple question in your OP, and posters use it as an opportunity to debate. When will they learn?

Relax, and go on about your day.

I just fear a sin that cannot be forgiven. Do you think the unpardonable sin is directly literal? If you insult the Holy Spirit you go to hell no recovery?


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[CrystalDragon]

I just fear a sin that cannot be forgiven. Do you think the unpardonable sin is directly literal? If you insult the Holy Spirit you go to hell no recovery?


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As I've said before, no. Thinking that way only serves to let fear negativity rule your life.

 

[DingDing]

You identify yourself as a Baptist. If that is an indication that you have confessed Jesus as Savior, you have ZERO to fear. There is no Mark of the Beast or unpardonable sin for you. Regrettably, you ask a simple question in your OP, and posters use it as an opportunity to debate. When will they learn?

Relax, and go on about your day.

Unfortunately, Winken, you promote exactly the kind of danger I was alluding to in my earlier post.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Considering revelations isnt divinely inspired nor should be in canon scripture, i think you are ok OP.

Where do you get you get your information from? You do realize that 2/3 of the language in Revelation is directly from other scripture, mostly OT.