Avoiding the Mark of the beast

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If you are old enough 30 years ago the very idea that ANYONE would be beheaded was laughable.

We [ecclesia, martyrs, christians, messianic, born again, called, chosen, set apart ones (holy blameless ones) ]
were well
aware of beheadings all along - there was no stoppage; it did not just start.

Foxes Martyrs and Voice of the Martyrs and a number of other resources , some might be still available, some are long gone,
all have been aware and reporting as able
the atrocities, the murders, (world wide),
the daily slaughtering of the sheep, the shedding of innocent blood.

The so-called 'rich' countries (and democracies) are as responsible as the dictatorships/ poor countries, for being silent about this,
for contributing wittingly or not [often using plausible deniability as an excuse after the fact; they are still responsible and culpable (guilty) ].

Knowing this won't make it better .... it will only continue to get worse.
It is not going to be reversed nor stopped until Y'SHUA returns.

 

[Straightshot]

"What is the mark? THE OBSERVANCE OF SABBATH"


Hardly .... this SDA teaching is totally bogus

 

[BeStill&Know]

If the Book of Revelations ONLY applies to that generation then how and where and when in history did all the scrolls and viles come to pass ?

 

[staffsgt7]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

What a lot of people don't realize is that we do see the Mark of the Beast on people already. If you read the Greek characters that John saw as a Greek (westerner) would read them you read '666'. BUT if you read them as an Arab would see them, you read, 'bismillah' OR 'in the name of allah'.

The moslems wear this mark on their foreheads and it is also in their flags. Ironically, many of the moslem flags have the colors of the 4 horsemen (black, green, yellow and white).


the Babylonian empire is the lion, Iran is the feet of the Bear – or ancient Persia, and the leopard is the Grecian Empire
The iron – it crushes all the kingdoms before it – some say it is the roman empire but it did not completely succeed in crushing Iran. So, it is not the Roman Empire. Look at Revelation 13:2 it tells about the beast.
For those that believe in the end times prophecies, this should be unsettling. many think it is the Roman Empire that will be reconstituted, but it was not the 7th empire - the Ottoman empire was the 7th empire and the 8th Empire will be a reconstituted Ottoman Empire.
The other previous empires were (not in order): Assyrian, Persian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Grecian, Roman - 5 were before John wrote his book and he lived in during the Roman Empire (6th). Then as the angel said, "one is" and that was the Ottoman Empire that John did not know about yet since it was not going to be until many centuries after John's death. The seventh Empire (Ottoman empire) will be fatally wounded and then resurrected under the reign of the Antichrist. And that is what the moslems are working for today - to revive that caliphate, that Ottoman Empire.
Walid Shoebat has a series called 'End Times' and a video about the 'Mark of the Beast'.
Walid Shoebat - Why Islam is the Antichrist 1 of 22

Here is an article too: http://shoebat.com/2014/09/09/every-christian-needs-know-mark-beast-mark-god/
ISLAM AND THE NUMBER 666
http://www.fishhouseministries.com/html/09-Europe.htm

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If the Book of Revelations ONLY applies to that generation then how and where and when in history did all the scrolls and viles come to pass ?

Realize that that (old story about Revelation being finished in the early century(-ies) ) was written to hide the truth about Revelation.
This has been done (to obscure the truth/ for advantage) all the time throughout all history by religions, governments, groups and so forth whenever they had the ability to do so,
except for the remnant(the elect).

 

[Goatee]

If the Book of Revelations ONLY applies to that generation then how and where and when in history did all the scrolls and viles come to pass ?

Maybe people do try and look at Revelations and see it the way 'they' 'WANT' to see it!

I believe that one cannot read 'all' the Bible at face value.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment


The Lord's book of Revelation is the capstone of the Bible and all prophecy flows into the wrap up

The book gives the future view of the "things hereafter" ..... after the Lord's dispensation of grace still on going

 

[Alawishis]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

It doesn't say "tricked", you won't be "tricked" you will choose of your own free will. Don't think it will be easy to resist, it won't. If you refuse to worship the beast or take the mark of his authority you will be killed. You have to be prepared to die for your saviour. Are you ready for that?

If you give your heart to Christ and listen to his call and obey him, you will not receive the mark. The only way to make it through the end days without losing your salvation is through the power of Jesus. You can prepare all you want, you can make a bomb shelter in your basement, you can stockpile food, you can keep a cache of weapons, you can study up on the mark of the beast and know it inside and out; none of it will do you any good. Christ is the only way. Prepare yourself by reading your bible daily, pray for your fellow man, follow where Jesus leads you.

EDIT: Corrected my post to reference the correct reply.

 

[staffsgt7]

It doesn't say "tricked", you won't be "tricked" you will choose of your own free will. Don't think it will be easy to resist, it won't. If you refuse to worship the beast or take the mark of his authority you will be killed. You have to be prepared to die for your saviour. Are you ready for that?

If you give your heart to Christ and listen to his call and obey him, you will not receive the mark. The only way to make it through the end days without losing your salvation is through the power of Jesus. You can prepare all you want, you can make a bomb shelter in your basement, you can stockpile food, you can keep a cache of weapons, you can study up on the mark of the beast and know it inside and out; none of it will do you any good. Christ is the only way. Prepare yourself by reading your bible daily, pray for your fellow man, follow where Jesus leads you.

I like your reply. Please read my response in a recently previous post. (page 9). I talk about the 'mark' and the letters that John saw in his dream and if you read it as a Westerner (666) or an Arab (bismillah). Also included are the empires and several links.

In islam, one of the most successful forms of jihad is jihad by the word/pen - or deception, propaganda. MANY people fall for it. And that includes not only politicians, but also academics, the mainstream media, and even many religious leaders. We get things like Chrislam, or even the catechism insinuating that allah is God. Currently, our kids are being taught the propaganda of islam in their history books and many are trying to change it - but it is a sad commentary that even religious schools accept the propaganda of islam in the history books.

https://actforamerica.nationbuilder.com/textbook_reform

There are many forms of it jihad by the word/pen - taqiyya, tawriya, muruna, and kithman. Our politicians not only fall for these 4 forms, but also one called hudna - the making of peace treaties, cease fires, etc that are not to be honored for longer than 10 years and the violent and aggressive political jihads are not to last longer than 10 years and/or restarted as soon as possible.

We saw an example of this in the Israel/Gaza jihad - some cease fires didn't even last a day. The Pakistan/India 'land for peace' deals didn't last either, and basically neither does any of them, anywhere. Not even the agreement with Saudi Arabia to stop slavery was honored for very long.

What other ideology has people beheading people, enslaving them, torturing and murdering for it? What other ideology is about 'breaking the cross'?

http://raymondibrahim.com/2016/11/17/break-cross-muhammad-commands/

 

[Bible2+]

DeerGlow said in post 1:

Is it physical?

Yes.

The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will also be visible because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (i.e. the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason that people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what had just been shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they are loyal worshippers of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Luciferians today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hand of some people and on the forehead of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark will not be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17), and they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image, for those people who agree to do these things, even if they are Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), while those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded by the Antichrist, will subsequently be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient church of all times) at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palm (cf. also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their forehead, thinking (mistakenly) that they are fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one to cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus returned. (But he will not say that he is Christ, for he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7.)

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people, it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the 6th letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it is transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it is not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will employ to burn up the cities of the nations at the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16-17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many internet addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (i.e. they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Lucifer will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist placing his "brand" on everything, like how a rancher places his "brand" on all of his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 is not fulfilled by some internet addresses having a "WWW", nor by some products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes. For Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism. The Antichrist will be both a Luciferian, a worshipper of Lucifer/Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist will not pretend that he is YHWH, just as he will not pretend that he is Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ.

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DeerGlow said in post 57:

Do you think the unpardonable sin is directly literal?

The unpardonable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), which means saying something against the Holy Spirit, which is unforgivable even if it is repented from (Mark 3:29), unlike all other blasphemies (Mark 3:28), such as blaspheming Jesus (saying something against Jesus), which is forgivable (like other sins) if it is repented from (Luke 12:10; cf. Luke 13:3, Hebrews 10:26-29).

An example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29) would be to say that a miracle performed by the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:28) was performed by an evil spirit (Mark 3:22,29-30). So it is possible for even a saved person to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, if, for example, he were to say that a Christian speaking in tongues today (by the Holy Spirit: 1 Corinthians 12:10b-11) is the work of an evil spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians 14:39b; 1 Thessalonians 5:19).

 

[Bible2+]

CrystalDragon said in post 6:

Revelation was indicated as being a symbolic message to the churches at the time . . .

Revelation is almost entirely literal, for it is unsealed (Revelation 22:10), meaning that it should not be difficult for saved people of any time to understand it if they simply read it as it is written: chronologically and almost-entirely literally. The few parts of it that are symbolic are almost always explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 1:20, Revelation 17:9-12). And Revelation's few symbols not explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 13:2) are usually explained elsewhere in the Bible (e.g. Daniel 7:4-7,17).

Just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally, so the events of the just-preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally. Also, the millennium in Revelation 20 will be literal, and will begin right after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when he will reign on the earth with the physically resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11). After that, the events of Revelation 20:7 to 22:5 will occur literally.

CrystalDragon said in post 6:

Not any future vision.

Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are still future to us, because they are about "things which must be hereafter" (Revelation 4:1b); and just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 has never been fulfilled, for nowhere in history books do we find its fulfillment, so the highly-detailed events of the preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 have never been fulfilled, for nowhere in history books do we find their fulfillment.

CrystalDragon said in post 6:

The Beast is implied to be Nero . . .

Note that Nero did not fulfill the detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 16:2-16, Revelation 19:19-21, and Revelation 20:4. Also, Nero did not fulfill other prophecies regarding the Antichrist (e.g. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, Daniel 11:31,36; cf. Matthew 24:15). And John the apostle did not see the vision of Revelation until decades after the time of Nero. For Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) said: "We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him [John] who beheld the apocalyptic vision [Revelation]. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign" (Against Heresies 5:30:3c). The end of Domitian's reign was 96 AD. Nero's reign was 54-68 AD. The detailed prophecies regarding the Antichrist, just as the rest of the tribulation prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, have never been fulfilled.

Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in our future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he is not the Antichrist.

 

[Bible2+]

Dave Watchman said in post 36:

God's People will NOT be able to be tricked or coerced into taking the "mark".

Note that some could be tricked, just as they could be tricked into even worshipping Satan himself.

For Christians need to be aware that during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will consciously and openly worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this will not require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say that Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, he is not the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny that Jesus suffered and died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this would not require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' 2nd coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (of Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' 2nd coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says that the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he is Jesus returned. And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason why it is important to know when and how the real Jesus' 2nd coming will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who commanded people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), whereas Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is that Jesus confirmed that the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus suffered and died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And he rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the first book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH, and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). But Satan might not be worshipped as "Satan", which most everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could falsely say that it is YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind. And he could claim that even 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 together prove this by showing that it was the single entity of YHWH/Satan who moved David to number Israel. Of course, the truth is that 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 together simply show that YHWH used Satan to move David. YHWH elsewhere rebuked Satan (Zechariah 3:2), so they are in no way the same person.

Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the unsaved world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could falsely say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

But the truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself only with the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say that Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say that he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as YHWH God (the Son) along with YHWH God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).

So the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ will be a total shock to the world. The world will have been expecting to wage war against some evil Old Testament god named "YHWH" with the help of the good Jesus (played by the False Prophet) and with the help of the true and beneficent Christ/God (played by Lucifer) and with the help of the good Son of God (played by the Antichrist) and with the help of the good angels of God (played by the fallen angels of Lucifer: Revelation 12:9). But then instead of some evil god appearing in the sky, the world could see the glorious sign of the Cross (cf. Matthew 24:30), the symbol of the good YHWH suffering and dying for our sins (Acts 20:28b). And then the world will see the glorious appearance of the real Jesus, sitting on a white horse descending from the sky (Revelation 19:11-21).

When the people of the world realize at that moment how thoroughly they have been duped, and see in the sky the huge angelic armies (2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 25:31) of the true Jesus, the true Christ, the true Son of God, and the good YHWH, who are all the one and the same Jesus Christ of Nazareth, they could utterly mourn and wail for themselves (Matthew 24:30, Revelation 1:7), knowing in their spirits that Jesus has returned in wrath to destroy most of them for their unrepentant sins (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, Revelation 19:15-21).

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Dave Watchman said in post 61:

5 point Calvinism is controversial and not that easy for everyone to understand but when you do it will give you a priceless sense of confidence that you'll wonder how you ever lived without. It really seems to be the thing that Jesus was talking about when He said:

"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,
and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,
and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
I and the Father are one.”

John 10:28-29 means that saved people will never perish so long as they remain in God's hand, and that no one outside of a saved person can ever take him or her out of God's hand. But John 10:28-29 does not mean that saved people are imprisoned in God's hand, that they cannot wrongly employ their free will to jump out of God's hand themselves, such as by committing apostasy, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12). Also, John 10:28-29 is not contradicting that God himself can in the end cast saved people out of his hand, that they can in the end lose their salvation, if they do not continue in his goodness (Romans 11:20-22), such as by wrongly employing their free will to commit a sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46), or to become utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8).

Also, John 10:28-29 does not mean that a saved person's will is kept in God's hand in the sense that a saved person cannot wrongly employ his will to the ultimate loss of his salvation. For any such "kept" will would be nothing but a destroyed will. It would make saved people like someone who has been lobotomized, strait-jacketed, drugged, and locked up in a cell. Thank God that he does not do that to saved people, but leaves them as free people with free will. And because he does, they themselves have to choose each and every day for the rest of their lives to deny themselves, to take up their crosses themselves, and to continue to follow Jesus (Luke 9:23) to the end. And the Bible gives no assurance that every saved person will choose to do that (Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:2a).

 

[Bible2+]

Original Happy Camper quoted a website in post 118:

So great a hold did the conviction that the Papacy was the Antichrist gain upon the minds of men, that Rome at last saw she must bestir herself, and try, by putting forth other systems of interpretation, to counteract the identification of the Papacy with the Antichrist.

Note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), will not support Catholicism in its past and current form, insofar as Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Christ, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 2:22b). And Catholicism affirms that Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Catholicism affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that the only man who is God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, while the Antichrist will say that he (the Antichrist) is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign will not be Catholicism in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly-apostate pope), could at first pretend to support Catholicism (as well as Christianity generally, and also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

Original Happy Camper quoted a website in post 118:

. . . Antichrist's Reign of 1260 Prophetic Years.

Note that regarding the Antichrist's 1,260 days, 42 months, and "a time, and times, and half a time", they are all the same time period in the prophecies of Revelation 13:5, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 12:7. They will be 1,260 literal days, just as, for example, the three days in the fulfilled prophecies of Luke 9:22 and Luke 18:33 were literal days, and the three days in the fulfilled prophecies of Genesis 40:13 and Genesis 40:19 were literal days, and the 70 years in the fulfilled prophecy of Jeremiah 29:10 (Daniel 9:2) were literal years (Zechariah 7:5), and the 400 years in the fulfilled prophecy of Genesis 15:13 were literal years.

The literal 1,260-day time period will be the time of the Antichrist's Luciferian/Satanic worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which time period is shown from four different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13). The myriad details of these chapters have never been fulfilled, not even during a past time period of 1,260 years, as historicism mistakenly claims. But these details must be fulfilled (Revelation 1:1). So they will be fulfilled in our future, after the also-never-fulfilled details of Revelation chapters 6 to 10 are fulfilled in our future.

 

[stephen583]

Don't worry. The Mark of the Beast is not some kind of nefarious hidden "physical" mark, bar code, or tattoo. It isn't a micro chip, or any of the other ridiculous popular theories advanced by paranoid evangelicals either.

In Bible symbolism, the right hand is figuratively used to represent the work of someone's hands. Likewise, the forehead refers to thought, or belief. I not going to bother with the Scriptural quotations, the Books of Genesis and Leviticus are filled with descriptions such as these. I'm sure just about everyone is familiar with them.

The business in the Revelation about not being able to "buy or sell" anything without receiving the mark, merely points out much of what constitutes "Beast Worship", will be motivated by the lust for riches and greed. What we refer to as the "globalization" of the world economy.

In order to receive the mark, you must knowingly make a conscious decision to support the Beast System, otherwise it would be totally meaningless. No one is being tricked into receiving the mark.

Also, there's nothing in the Revelation Prophecy that says the "mark" is permanent, or irremovable once it has been taken. All anyone has to do to remove it, is REPENT. It's that simple.

 

[precepts]

It doesn't say "tricked", you won't be "tricked" you will choose of your own free will.

Then tell it to the OP.

Don't think it will be easy to resist, it won't. If you refuse to worship the beast or take the mark of his authority you will be killed. You have to be prepared to die for your saviour. Are you ready for that?

Unlike you and everybody on this site, I know the institutionalization of the mark of the Beast is past, though it has been here from before the flood and will always be here until the end noninstituted..

If you give your heart to Christ and listen to his call and obey him, you will not receive the mark. The only way to make it through the end days without losing your salvation is through the power of Jesus. You can prepare all you want, you can make a bomb shelter in your basement, you can stockpile food, you can keep a cache of weapons, you can study up on the mark of the beast and know it inside and out; none of it will do you any good. Christ is the only way. Prepare yourself by reading your bible daily, pray for your fellow man, follow where Jesus leads you.

You're a baby Christian as far as baby Christians go.

 

[Alawishis]

What a lot of people don't realize is that we do see the Mark of the Beast on people already. If you read the Greek characters that John saw as a Greek (westerner) would read them you read '666'. BUT if you read them as an Arab would see them, you read, 'bismillah' OR 'in the name of allah'.

The moslems wear this mark on their foreheads and it is also in their flags. Ironically, many of the moslem flags have the colors of the 4 horsemen (black, green, yellow and white).


the Babylonian empire is the lion, Iran is the feet of the Bear – or ancient Persia, and the leopard is the Grecian Empire
The iron – it crushes all the kingdoms before it – some say it is the roman empire but it did not completely succeed in crushing Iran. So, it is not the Roman Empire. Look at Revelation 13:2 it tells about the beast.
For those that believe in the end times prophecies, this should be unsettling. many think it is the Roman Empire that will be reconstituted, but it was not the 7th empire - the Ottoman empire was the 7th empire and the 8th Empire will be a reconstituted Ottoman Empire.
The other previous empires were (not in order): Assyrian, Persian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Grecian, Roman - 5 were before John wrote his book and he lived in during the Roman Empire (6th). Then as the angel said, "one is" and that was the Ottoman Empire that John did not know about yet since it was not going to be until many centuries after John's death. The seventh Empire (Ottoman empire) will be fatally wounded and then resurrected under the reign of the Antichrist. And that is what the moslems are working for today - to revive that caliphate, that Ottoman Empire.
Walid Shoebat has a series called 'End Times' and a video about the 'Mark of the Beast'.
Walid Shoebat - Why Islam is the Antichrist 1 of 22

Here is an article too: http://shoebat.com/2014/09/09/every-christian-needs-know-mark-beast-mark-god/
ISLAM AND THE NUMBER 666
http://www.fishhouseministries.com/html/09-Europe.htm

First off, 666 is not "the mark of the beast" it's "the number of the beast" there is a difference. 666 alone can be made to fit many things and people including Barak Obama, to Ronald Regan and of course Adolf Hitler. If you use this alone as your identification you are bound to get on the wrong track.

Secondly, the word "Allah" is just the Arabic generic word for God. It's not a special proper name specific to the Muslim god. Christians in Arabic countries call Jehovah God, "Allah". It's simply the word for "God". So if we follow your logic then the Christians in the Arabic countries also bear the mark of the beast. Is that what you mean to say?

Thirdly, the horsemen of the apocalypse are white, red, pale, and black, there is no green or yellow.

The empire of Greece was the leopard beast it fits, also the he-goat in the later vision. However, the terrible beast with ten horns comes after the Greek empire. It can't again be the Greek empire use the because the previous beast represents the Greek empire. It makes no sense that the prophecy would go from the Greek Empire and skip ahead over a thousand years, skipping over the Roman Empire (the most significant Empire in history) to include the Ottoman Empire.

You seem to be suggesting that terrible beast in Daniel 7 represents the Greek empire or are you saying it's the Ottoman Empire again? Ten horns of the terrible beast do not fit the Greek empire or Ottoman. It's the fourth beast that arises after the Greek empire. The "great iron teeth" fit the attributes of the Roman Empire. It was called the "Iron Age" for good reason, the Romans were masters in forging and metallurgy. This knowledge of metallurgy formed the backbone of their army weapons and armour. It's not hard to understand the symbolism of teeth being a nation's army. Rome was known as the "Iron Empire" for good reason. It's quite ridiculous not to believe that Rome is not the fourth kingdom.

 

[Alawishis]

Then tell it to the OP.


You're a baby Christian as far as baby Christians go.

Sorry for the earlier comment it looks like I replied to the wrong post. It was meant for the OP.

This comment puzzled me however, was it meant as an insult? Can you please explain?

 

[Goatee]

People make up such big things from reading scripture! Its amazing. Why can't people just get on with doing God's will instead of worry about these 'stories?'

 

[precepts]

Sorry for the earlier comment it looks like I replied to the wrong post. It was meant for the OP.

This comment puzzled me however, was it meant as an insult? Can you please explain?

Which comment?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Note that some could be tricked, just as they could be tricked into even worshipping Satan himself.

Some could be tricked, some could even be given a strong delusion to believe the lie. But God's People can never be tricked into taking the mark of the beast, only those individuals who's names have NOT been written in the Lamb's Book of life. Only the wicked will worship the beast, it's baked in the cake.

"and all who dwell on earth will worship it,
everyone whose name has [NOT] been written [before the foundation of the world] in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
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[before the foundation of the world] = [it's baked in the cake]

For Christians need to be aware that during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign

I doubt it. The beast will have 42 months of authority yes, but are you sure that the Antichrist will rule the world for 3.5 years?

I'll bet you any money that the Antichrist, Paul's man of sin, will only be physically revealed to us during the 5 months prior to the Parousia. He's Lucifer, I mean Abbadon or Apollyon the angel king of the abyss (the destroyer).

He once was (visible) in the days of old, now is not (visible) and will soon come out of the abyss and become (visible) once again and then go to his destruction.

Now watch this again Bible2:

"The inhabitants of the earth whose names have NOT been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
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We will NOT be astonished when we see the beast, God's people will not be fooled. Because our names HAVE been written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

It's baked in the cake.