Avoiding the Mark of the beast

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Correction: Only two times the world deceives, before the flood, and in the last days, remember?

The world (society) mankind is totally corrupt. It always deceives according to Scripture. It is entirely under a death sentence,
except for the remnant.

 

[precepts]

The world (society) mankind is totally corrupt. It always deceives according to Scripture. It is entirely under a death sentence,
except for the remnant.

But only two times there will be a few innocent people in the world, which is my point.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But only two times there will be a few innocent people in the world, which is my point.

There's never been more than a few, not "only two times" but any time, all through history.

 

[doctorwho29]

I wouldn't be surprised if the mark is literal but as long as you are saved by the blood of Jesus, you're fine. The bible says that NOTHING can separate us from Him once we're saved.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

once we're saved.

True.
No one who receives the mark is saved. No conflict there. No contradiction.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I stopped reading after a page or two, but wow...people really know how to confuse things for others. That was what some of you were trying to do, right? All the good Christians saying the mark is all this stuff, or you don't have to worry about it, that it is this, that and the other thing, yada yada yada, and so on...WHEW!

The OP HAS to be more confused than ever now.

Glow, what's happening here is ridiculous, and it's what happens when man gets a hold of the word, and chooses to lean unto their own understanding, or some other hotshots understanding, when, in essence, the word is very plain.

The Scripture means just what is says it does, nothing more, nothing less. Maybe others got it right too but this was the first post I noticed with enough sense to take the simple, and leave it as just that...the simple truth.

DeerGlow, I don't think you need to worry. If you take God at His word, a time will come (and you may even be long gone by then) when you'll be approached to take a mark on your right hand or forehead, without which you can't buy or sell. When this happens, say "no". End of story. I suspect this hasn't happened to you yet, so you don't have the mark now. And if it comes in your lifetime there will be no doubt about the choice.

Glow, yours is a very good question and you deserve a clear answer, so notice the part in the quote about taking God at HIS word, do that, and save yourself the frustration.

 

[DingDing]

I wouldn't be surprised if the mark is literal but as long as you are saved by the blood of Jesus, you're fine. The bible says that NOTHING can separate us from Him once we're saved.

Yep, here is some of that dangerous kind of thinking. Lots of people who believe (and live) this way are going to be in for a BIG surprise!

 

[Root of Jesse]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

God doesn't send people to hell who are innocent, my friend. Only if you know something is a sin, and you decide to do it anyway. For example, you know that murder is a sin, and yet you contrive to kill someone who is innocent of anything. If you do this, and do not repent completely of it, you will go to hell. If there were circumstances, either you don't know that murder is a sin, or you are coerced into committing it, or do so against your will, or are tricked or in some way you do it unwillingly, you will not be sent to hell. You may still need to do penance for the 'crime', but you will eventually be permitted into heaven. The key is to repent of all your sins before you die. Ask God's forgiveness. God is merciful, not vengeful, as Martin Luther believed.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Like I said at first, I'm paranoid. I want to be 100% sure i don't get this mark. I'm afraid because I read this post of someone theorising about how the devil will speak to people to deceive them and it popped into my head "that sounds nice" because I was looking at the part about people going to heaven and eternal bliss then I realised it was SATAN'S eternal bliss and saying he could overthrow God and I'm scared I don't support the devil I just got misled for a second.


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Read Isaiah 41: 1-4.

 

[Root of Jesse]

This is not correct according to most people I know who read Revelation and obey the Lord Jesus.
According to the histories I read some number of years ago,
this idea that Revelation does not [ALSO] refer to TODAY
was written in some conclave , on purpose, to distract people from the truth.
No, I don't know where the conclave is, nor who it was,
although I think it is available or might be found with diligent searching.

Even without knowing who wrote that explanation in error,
knowing the truth about the book of Revelation is available by God's Promise all through the Scriptures ,
instead of relying on traditions or other ideas of men.

The point is that, even if you read Revelation as something past, we are living in the end times...By the way, tattoos were given to criminals in Nero's day...

 

[Root of Jesse]

If Revelation refers to the present times, and the mark is literal, wouldn't we be seeing it?


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Great question.

 

[doctorwho29]

Yep, here is some of that dangerous kind of thinking. Lots of people who believe (and live) this way are going to be in for a BIG surprise!

What's dangerous about that kind of thinking? I know that not everyone who calls themselves a Christian actually is but those who are saved are assured of an eternity with God.

 

[DingDing]

What's dangerous about that kind of thinking? I know that not everyone who calls themselves a Christian actually is but those who are saved are assured of an eternity with God.

This thread is suppose to be about avoiding the mark of the beast. Now what exactly that is, is not clear yet, but the first step should be to realize that the potential is real for all persons alive when it happens. Once-saved-always-saved is a lie (and who knows, perhaps from Satan himself) which in the end is going to get a lot of people killed (as I'm sure it already has). During the great tribulation, the faith of many will be tested, and many (perhaps in part from false beliefs like OSAS) will fail the test. This will be a time, for a great many, to remain faithful in the face of intense persecution, or perhaps suffer eternal loss. OSAS is not your friend in this situation.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The point is that, even if you read Revelation as something past, we are living in the end times..

No disagreement there.
Revelation describes very accurately these times we are in , "the end times",
and the centuries leading up to them,
and the few years now to be before Y'SHUA returns.

 

[precepts]

I guess that would explain the great multitude in Revelation's 1st resurrection.

There's never been more than a few, not "only two times" but any time, all through history.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I guess that would explain the great multitude in Revelation's 1st resurrection....

Look up "few" vs "many" in the BIBLE.
"Few" of several hundred million (if that many)
compared to
"Many" of several billion (at least)
for example.

 

[precepts]

Look up "few" vs "many" in the BIBLE.
"Few" of several hundred million (if that many)
compared to
"Many" of several billion (at least)
for example.

Please! There were definitely fewer innocent people in Noah's days than before his days. The earth eventually grew corrupt.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So ? This in no way challenges nor contradicts anything Scripture says or that I posted.
Except, perhaps, if you don't realize that the earth was corrupt for quite some time before they were destroyed in the flood.
And the earth was again corrupt not too long after the flood, thru to today.
"Mankind" is not good. A few at times were.

Please! There were definitely fewer innocent people in Noah's days than before his days. The earth eventually grew corrupt.

 

[precepts]

This is too petty an argument, I'm audi.

So ? This in no way challenges nor contradicts anything Scripture says or that I posted.
Except, perhaps, if you don't realize that the earth was corrupt for quite some time before they were destroyed in the flood.
And the earth was again corrupt not too long after the flood, thru to today.
"Mankind" is not good. A few at times were.

Peace out!

 

[Colter]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

The "mark of the beast" is simply the mark of our evolutionary animal inheritance. In the next life we will grow in spirit and remove those ego influences.