Avoiding the Mark of the beast

[ken777]

It is very interesting to ask why the "right hand" specifically and the forehead.

Interesting too is why God's people also have evidence in/on their foreheads (Revelation 7:3, Revelation 9:4, Revelation 14:1, Revelation 22:4).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is very interesting to ask why the "right hand" specifically and the forehead.

Interesting too is why God's people also have evidence in/on their foreheads (Revelation 7:3, Revelation 9:4, Revelation 14:1, Revelation 22:4).

Yes, so it seems.
It is also interesting, that even though everyone knows Y'SHUA said "they will know you are disciples by the love you have for one another"
that
the only place(s) this is seen happening (and reported world wide)
is in underground, persecuted, unregistered meetings.
Perhaps there is a "mark" visible to the world in those believers there,
that the world can see (since it is the world who recognized this) ?
i.e. a "mark" already in place ?

 

[ken777]

Yes, so it seems.
It is also interesting, that even though everyone knows Y'SHUA said "they will know you are disciples by the love you have for one another"
that
the only place(s) this is seen happening (and reported world wide)
is in underground, persecuted, unregistered meetings.
Perhaps there is a "mark" visible to the world in those believers there,
that the world can see (since it is the world who recognized this) ?
i.e. a "mark" already in place ?

The two frontal lobes, located behind the forehead, are considered essential for decision-making. Just a thought.

God's people are "marked" only in their foreheads but those who take the mark of the beast are also marked in the right hand.

 

[geiroffenberg]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

its not a physical mark u have to avoid. Its only mentioned in the book of revelation and the whole book is symbolic as the angel said in verse 1.
The context of the mark of the beast on the forehead etc, says the children of god had their fathers mark on their foreheads! It is of coures not a literal tatoo on the head, neither is the mark of the beast.

Any person that has repented according to the gospel of jesus can not possible have the mark of the beast. Any person that has not repented, it does not matter if they have the mark or not, they need to repent. Thats the issue. In fact, there are only two kinds of ppl in the word, two kinds of human minds, the carnal mind and the spiritual mind ( as taught in romans 8) the carnal mind is death, the spiritual mind is life. It says it right there. Thats the true mark of the beast and the mark of the father. Its as simple as that. Dont buy the crap about implants and tattos on the forehead lol.

btw, nero totally fulfilled that particular prophetcy in detail, but thats another matter.

 

[Alawishis]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

It's easy to determine what the mark of the Beast is once you determine what the beast is. Once thing that is apparent in Revelation the conflict during end-days is about worship and about loyalty. To have the mark, "on your hand" or, "in your forehead" represents the things that you do (represented by the works of our hands) and our thoughts and loyalty (in our forehead). So it's not a physical mark like a tattoo or a computer chip or a barcode. God is concerned with your loyalty and the last few days of earth, there will be a choice to be loyal to God or to give your loyalty to the Beast power.

And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
~ Exodus 13:9 KJV.

And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.
~ Exodus 13:16 KJV.

And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
~ Deuteronomy 6:8 KJV.

Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
~ Deuteronomy 11:18 KJV.​

The identity of the Beast power has been known for hundreds of years. It's one thing that all of the reformers of the Protestant Reformation unanimously agreed on. Though there have been many attempts to muddy the waters there is only one entity that fits all the identifying markers.

 

[Alawishis]

The two frontal lobes, located behind the forehead, are considered essential for decision-making. Just a thought.

God's people are "marked" only in their foreheads but those who take the mark of the beast are also marked in the right hand.

That part of the brain is also the centre of spirituality and morality. These are all key to loyalty to God, or if you chose loyalty to the Beast power.

 

[precepts]

It's also interesting to note that no one has answered my question of where does it say you can be tricked into taking the mark, or have the mark unbenounced, which should be the main issue since that is what the OP was inquiring about.

 

[precepts]

The "mark of the beast" is simply the mark of our evolutionary animal inheritance. In the next life we will grow in spirit and remove those ego influences.

Colter 23:1-6, I presume.

When will the madness end, everyone's private interpretation of scripture?

 

[didomach]

I think a great help in this dilemma is in the words of John Piper. He is discussing how effective salvation is. Does God preserve us from this? What does it mean "if it were possible" (Matt 24:24)?
http://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/can-i-be-blotted-from-the-book-of-life

 

[precepts]

The only help is the Word, not man's opinion.

Instead of following the instructions given in scripture, everybody is veering off on delusions because they don't understand the prophecies, settling for less with man's opinions.

 

[Colter]

Colter 23:1-6, I presume.

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When will the madness end, everyone's private interpretation of scripture?

Where the scripture isn't clear to begin with, people interpret it. And of coarse yours is the only right one.....

 

[precepts]

Where the scripture isn't clear to begin with, people interpret it. And of coarse yours is the only right one.....

Naturally since there's a big difference between giving one's opinion and providing the facts.

 

[didomach]

So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that [is] not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

Would love to hear your opinion on this verse and its relevance to the discussion. I don't see anything prophetic in this. Do you think this is referring to Christians with the mark of the beast? If so, you should do a bit of study on how to read the Bible (http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-to-read-the-bible-for-yourself). This is a story about something completely different.
---UPDATE---
Oh, excuse me. This is your signature. Sorry about that.

 

[Colter]

Naturally since there's a big difference between giving one's opinion and providing the facts.

You haven't provided any facts about the "mark of the beast", you have an opinion.

 

[precepts]

Would love to hear your opinion on this verse and its relevance to the discussion.I don't see anything prophetic in this.

It was a revelation for me when I first discovered it. You'd be surprised at the amount of religious films that purposely omit it , much less Sunday preachers.

Do you think this is referring to Christians with the mark of the beast?

Your conscience speaking, no doubt.

If so, you should do a bit of study on how to read the Bible (http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-to-read-the-bible-for-yourself).

For conscience sake.

This is a story about something completely different.

Far different from what you thought I was claiming, no doubt.

---UPDATE---
Oh, excuse me. This is your signature. Sorry about that.

I still felt I had to respond.

 

[precepts]

You haven't provided any facts about the "mark of the beast", you have an opinion.

That's a negative. I provided neither fact nor opinion. But if you want the facts, I can provide them. You, on the other hand, provided your opinion because there isn't any scriptural proof for your claim. Know the difference.
I haven't commented on anything concerning the mark of the beast except for the OP's questions on having it and not knowing or getting it unawares.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

By understanding God's sovereignty in election. Read John 6 & 10. Ephesians 1, and Romans 9.

 

[masmpg]

This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?

The mark of the beast is no guessing game. Here is the verse that tells what happens to those who receive it, this is considered the third angels message found in Revelation:14:9: "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:" To answer your first question this mark is not physical. According to what John wrote here the mark refers to worship. If we are ever forced to worship a certain way or on a certain day then we are receiving the mark of the beast. This is not happening yet, but the mark of the beast like all other solemn warnings throughout God's holy word are always about obedience. Look what happened in the garden of eden. God said do not eat of the tree, and voila mankind has been damned to a sinful nature because of a seemingly small matter like Eve biting a piece of fruit. This is no small matter because any disobedience is a sin and will keep us out of heaven.

 

[Straightshot]

"This me super paranoid. Is it physical? Is it not? If the devil tricks me, even if it's only for a second to think evilly, am I doomed? How can I be sure I don't have the mark?"

If you are truly a Christian you will not be subjected to the "mark" [Revelation 3:10]

This identifying mark will be take by those during the tribulation who want to identify with Satan's beast .... this mark will be clearly displayed by the followers of the beast [Revelation 14:9-11]

If you are not a true Christian today and the tribulation comes, you will only take the mark if you decide to follow the beast

If you decide to turn to the Lord during the period which will be an option for you, you will either be martyred by the beast, or you might survive [Revelation 13:7; 14:13]

Many believers will be martyred during the period ..... only a few will survive as mortals [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]

 

[BukiRob]

Probably it won't be figurative. IF it was figurative, how could the one world government enforce it ?
Most people on earth are controlled by the devil, according to Galatians, Ephesians, and particularly in these end times, Revelation.
One safety measure therefore, albeit you might say it is subjective,
along with testing everything by God's Word,
is don't do anything "EVERYBODY" says is okay.(for money, supplies, etc)
At least not without testing it and being in constant prayer trusting the Father in heaven and the GOOD SHEPHERD Y'SHUA.
Remember "THEY"( EVERYBODY)
WILL NOT call it the mark of the beast, nor will THEY say it is evil.
THEY will accept it as easily and readily as they accepted the social security system, ssi, ssdi, retirement funds, and so on.
So THEY (ie. the public) will call anyone who resists it 'insane' or worse.

Not sure I agree here.

Lets look at signs/seals/marks We have concrete evidence that the sign/seal/mark in the OT for Israel was the observance of Sabbath.Ex. 31:13, Eze. 20:12,20
"You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. Deut 6:8 when speaking of the Torah

So we already have some interesting comparisons.... What is significant about the hand and forehead? We ACT OUT or DO with our hands and we THINK which leads to action with our mind which is located right behind our forehead. The mark has to do with THOUGHT and ACTION. Which is a conscious decision.

Likewise we are also told that they were not to pour out the wrath upon the earth until the full measure of those who were marked.... What is the mark? THE OBSERVANCE OF SABBATH. As it was a sign in the exodus it is a sign today. Egypt represents the world and the Exodus is God's people leaving the world and journeying to rely solely on Adonai

I do not believe anyone will have the mark without having made a conscious decision to reject Messiah. We are already seeing the signs of worldwide persecution and slaughter of believers by beheading. If you are old enough 30 years ago the very idea that ANYONE would be beheaded was laughable. In fact many would cite this as a reason the bible COULDN'T be true....