Australopithecines aren't "just" apes

[brinny]

lucy australopithecus - Google Search

thank you....but she kinda ooooogly .......i gotta be related to someone else.....she should'a at least worn some lipstick

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by brinny Aah, but lo, He has answered my prayers. I am not as i was. That be a good thing. I wasn't very nice.

*snip*

But does he answer all prayers? Why some and not others? How many of the prayers answered have a supernatural element to them, and how many were prayers for stuff that was going to happen anyway?

The world wide flood is quite disproven, and there's about a zillion websites to show this.

Good post LH. I am more or less just browsing this thread, as I am still a little "gun shy" concerning being put on a "certain site" you are a member on

http://www.christianforums.com/t7350852-11/#post51094539
GT Fundies. Who are they?

 

[lucaspa]

Aah, but lo, He has answered my prayers. I am not as i was. That be a good thing. I wasn't very nice.

You must also remember, brinny, that the answer to a prayer can be "no"

The flood can be dis-proven? Where is this dis-proof at? Is there a site i can visit or a source?

A world-wide flood has been disproven. I would suggest 2 books:
The Biblical Flood: A Case History of the Church's Response to Extrabiblical Evidence by Davis Young
Genesis and Geology by Gillispie

The first quote in my signature was in response to the falsification of a world-wide flood by 1831.

Now, there is evidence supporting a local flood (or possibly several of them) in the Tigris-Euphrates Valley that were severe enough to wipe out the local civilization. From the perspective of those involved, it would appear that the "whole world" was flooded.

 

[LightHorseman]

You must also remember, brinny, that the answer to a prayer can be "no"



A world-wide flood has been disproven. I would suggest 2 books:
The Biblical Flood: A Case History of the Church's Response to Extrabiblical Evidence by Davis Young
Genesis and Geology by Gillispie

The first quote in my signature was in response to the falsification of a world-wide flood by 1831.

Now, there is evidence supporting a local flood (or possibly several of them) in the Tigris-Euphrates Valley that were severe enough to wipe out the local civilization. From the perspective of those involved, it would appear that the "whole world" was flooded.

The Black Sea Inundation Event is believed by many anthropologists to be the real world basis for many of the so called "Great Flood" legends.

 

[Chesterton]

thank you....but she kinda ooooogly .......i gotta be related to someone else.....she should'a at least worn some lipstick

Remember you're looking at the product of an artist's imagination. They only found some bones.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Black Sea Inundation Event is believed by many anthropologists to be the real world basis for many of the so called "Great Flood" legends.

Greetings LH. Have you ever read thru this site?
I found it rather both biblical and in line with my own view. Thoughts?

The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
God and Science

*snip*

Many Christians maintain that the Bible says that the flood account of Genesis requires an interpretation that states that the waters of the flood covered the entire earth. If you read our English Bibles, you will probably come to this conclusion if you don't read the text too closely and if you fail to consider the rest of your Bible. Like most other Genesis stories, the flood account is found in more places than just Genesis. If you read the sidebar, you will discover that Psalms 104 directly eliminates any possibility of the flood being global (see Psalms 104-9 - Does it refer to the Original Creation or the Flood?). In order to accept a global flood, you must reject Psalms 104 and the inerrancy of the Bible. If you like to solve mysteries on your own, you might want to read the flood account first and find the biblical basis for a local flood.

 

[LightHorseman]

Greetings LH. Have you ever read thru this site?
I found it rather both biblical and in line with my own view. Thoughts?

The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
God and Science

*snip*

Many Christians maintain that the Bible says that the flood account of Genesis requires an interpretation that states that the waters of the flood covered the entire earth. If you read our English Bibles, you will probably come to this conclusion if you don't read the text too closely and if you fail to consider the rest of your Bible. Like most other Genesis stories, the flood account is found in more places than just Genesis. If you read the sidebar, you will discover that Psalms 104 directly eliminates any possibility of the flood being global (see Psalms 104-9 - Does it refer to the Original Creation or the Flood?). In order to accept a global flood, you must reject Psalms 104 and the inerrancy of the Bible. If you like to solve mysteries on your own, you might want to read the flood account first and find the biblical basis for a local flood.

I'd not read that particular site before, but interesting.

I'm quite happy to accept that the Noah's Flood incident is based on a long oral tradition about real world events, including the distortion, adition and subtraction that such retelling would involve. as with most of Genesis.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'd not read that particular site before, but interesting.

I'm quite happy to accept that the Noah's Flood incident is based on a long oral tradition about real world events, including the distortion, adition and subtraction that such retelling would involve. as with most of Genesis.

That event is also confirmed a few times in our NT/NC of the Bible

Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days before the flood/kataklusmou <2627>, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 And not they know until came the flood/kataklusmoV <2627> and takes all! Thus shall be also the parousia of the Son of the Man."[Luke 17:27]

2 Peter 3:5 For is oblivious them this ones willing that heavens were of old and land out of water and thru water having stood to the of the God word.
6 thru which the then world to water being deluged/flooded/kataklusqeiV <2626> (5685) perished
7 The yet now heavens and the land to same word having been stored to fire being kept into day of judging and of destruction of the godless men.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
thank you....but she kinda ooooogly .......i gotta be related to someone else.....she should'a at least worn some lipstick

Remember you're looking at the product of an artist's imagination. They only found some bones.

Thank you. How come you're the only one who mentioned this? Is it mentioned elsewhere on here? Did i miss something?

That's a bit deceptive, isn't it?

 

[LightHorseman]

That event is also confirmed a few times in our NT/NC of the Bible

Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days before the flood/kataklusmou <2627>, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 And not they know until came the flood/kataklusmoV <2627> and takes all! Thus shall be also the parousia of the Son of the Man."[Luke 17:27]

2 Peter 3:5 For is oblivious them this ones willing that heavens were of old and land out of water and thru water having stood to the of the God word. 6 thru which the then world to water being deluged/flooded/kataklusqeiV <2626> (5685) perished 7 The yet now heavens and the land to same word having been stored to fire being kept into day of judging and of destruction of the godless men.

I think "referenced" may be a better word than "confirmed". Obviously the Ark story was well known to Israelites in the 1st century, so it makes sense they'd reference it as something of a cultural given... everyone would understand what they were talking about. I don't believe this makes it necessarily any more "factual" than in John 15:5 where Jesus says "I am the vine"

 

[LightHorseman]

Thank you. How come you're the only one who mentioned this? Is it mentioned elsewhere on here? Did i miss something?

That's a bit deceptive, isn't it?

Not unless every image of Christ on the planet is "deceptive".

 

[brinny]

I think "referenced" may be a better word than "confirmed". Obviously the Ark story was well known to Israelites in the 1st century, so it makes sense they'd reference it as something of a cultural given... everyone would understand what they were talking about. I don't believe this makes it necessarily any more "factual" than in John 15:5 where Jesus says "I am the vine"

Sooooo it's a fact that not ALL on earth were obliterated during the flood, as the Bible states? Where were those who survived who were not on the ark? Is it documented somewhere?

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Thank you. How come you're the only one who mentioned this? Is it mentioned elsewhere on here? Did i miss something?

That's a bit deceptive, isn't it?

Not unless every image of Christ on the planet is "deceptive".

*wonders how the above comment relates to our Lucy*

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sooooo it's a fact that not ALL on earth were obliterated during the flood, as the Bible states? Where were those who survived who were not on the ark? Is it documented somewhere?

I find Genesis 1:9, 10 interesting.
The waters covered the whole land and here it shows YHWH parting the waters to one place.
Wouldn't that almost make the land a type of "Island" surrounded by water?

Genesis 1:9 And 'Elohiym is saying: "they shall flow together, the waters from under the heavens, to one place and she shall appear the Dry/03004 yabbashah", and he is becoming so.
10 And 'Elohiym is calling to Dry/03004 yabbashah, Land/'erets, and to confluence of the waters/04325 mayim He calls Seas/yam. And 'Elohiym is seeing that Good.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Sooooo it's a fact that not ALL on earth were obliterated during the flood, as the Bible states? Where were those who survived who were not on the ark? Is it documented somewhere?

I find Genesis 1:9, 10 interesting.
The waters covered the whole land and here it shows YHWH parting the waters to one place.
Wouldn't that almost make the land a type of "Island" surrouned by water?

Genesis 1:9 And 'Elohiym is saying: "they shall flow together, the waters from under the heavens, to one place and she shall appear the Dry/03004 yabbashah", and he is becoming so.
10 And 'Elohiym is calling to Dry/03004 yabbashah, Land/'erets, and to confluence of the waters/04325 mayim He calls Seas/yam. And 'Elohiym is seeing that Good.

you missed the gist o' my question amigo

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

you missed the gist o' my question amigo

Ahhh ok. Perhaps we need a seperate thread on the flood?

edit to add....I am just not into "apes" right now ehehe

 

[brinny]

Ahhh ok. Perhaps we need a seperate thread on the flood?

with excruciating detail

 

[LightHorseman]

Sooooo it's a fact that not ALL on earth were obliterated during the flood, as the Bible states?

Correct

Where were those who survived who were not on the ark?

Everywhere that isn't in the Black Sea basin

Is it documented somewhere?

Indeed. In our very genes. There is absolutely no way that the human genome as it is currently distributed in current global populations could have stemmed from a family of 4 related couples only a few thousand years ago.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

with excruciating detail

Dang! There are already more than 60 threads on that topic

Showing title results 1 to 25 of 65 for "flood" on Origins board

 

[LightHorseman]

*wonders how the above comment relates to our Lucy*

An artists rendering of what Lucy looked like is no more "deceptive" than an artists rendering of what Christ looked like. Indeed, maybe even less so, since we have physical remains of Lucy, but not of Christ.