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Were you deceived by your translation?
The Greek word for ALL is "pas" and can also be translated "any".
So the Scripture could read
As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall any be made alive.
Finding a correct translation never bothered you before, why should it now?Can you find a single translation that reads the way you have translated 1 Cor.15:22?
Irrelevant and presumptive. When you have earned a PhD/ThD with the requisite credit hours in Greek then you might have the necessary knowledge and understanding to question Bauer, Danker, Arndt, and Gingrich the PhD scholars who researched and compiled the BDAG lexicon.
Finding a correct translation never bothered you before, why should it now?
Two hundred years + before Augustine."This specious argument goes back at least to Augustine. As has long ago been said, however, due to its unreasonableness, it ought never be heard again." . . .
Two hundred years + before Augustine.
IOW you have blind faith in high priestess Ramelli, Beauchemin, etc. like many people have in a church leader or a pope? You don't check their references for accuracy & you don't care that they purposely left out references that oppose their conclusions? Nor that other scholars oppose them? Or they might be biased or have filthy lucre as their motive via selling books, so would write things in agreement with those who would buy their books?IOW you have blind faith in BDAG, like many people have in a church leader or a pope? You don't check their references for accuracy & you don't care that they purposely left out references that oppose their conclusions? Nor that other scholars oppose them? Or they might be biased or have filthy lucre as their motive via selling books, so would write things in agreement with those who would buy their books?
Do you actually think that one verse quoted from Chrysostom refutes everything in BDAG? You have a serious problem. That is not the way language works. Nothing you have or ever could post refutes anything, especially a work like BDAG, too many credible references.Other scholars have pointed to the quote of Chrysostom, that refutes BDAG & BDAG omited.
Why is that? Here it is again: Other scholars have pointed to the quote of Chrysostom, that refutes BDAG & BDAG omited. Why is that? Here it is again:
"For that his[Satan's] kingdom is of this age,[αἰώνιος] i.e., will cease with the present age[αιώνι] ..." (Homily 4 on Ephesians, Chapter II. Verses 1-3).
Wrong again! We have the same situation here. What is the meaning of kosmos, commonly translated "world?"Which also refutes your aionios theory that it's one definition is eternal. Even BDAG disagrees with you.
The fourth law of Theology is everyone who has a PC and/or a Strong's thinks they are a Greek and Hebrew scholar and knows more than any lexicon or scholar who ever lived."The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."
Nonsense! You don't know how it works. Oh you mean extra-biblical, uninspired, cherry picked, & mistranslated opinions of men, which your posts are always full of? Is Origen inspired? Is Chrysostom inspired? Can you absolutely guarantee me that everything you post from your cherry picked etc. ECF are not mistranslated to favor UR? And I am still waiting for the Greek for Origen Commentary on John bk. 13.60. If you don't have anything to hide all it takes is one click.Aside from the fact that doesn't address the rebuttal of Augustine's argument re Mt.25:46 in the OP, there is another thread for extra-biblical, uninspired, cherry picked, & mistranslated opinions of men, which your post was full of:
This simply refers to God's people who he judged in sin and put their face in the dust that there might be hope. If they were to humble themselves repent and seek his face in faith he would forgive and not cast off. The context of that section says as much. He talks of the many miseries of JerusalemNor this:
Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…
...The difference is, which I stated in my post and which you ignored, BDAG listed dozens of scripture and historical references supporting their translations.
Nobody but nobody that you have quoted has done anything near that mostly just their unsupported opinion.
Nobody but nobody that you have quoted has done anything near that mostly just their unsupported opinion.
Do you actually think that one verse quoted from Chrysostom refutes everything in BDAG?
Wrong again! We have the same situation here. What is the meaning of kosmos, commonly translated "world?"
....you already have the TLG subscription.
Nonsense! You don't know how it works. Oh you mean extra-biblical, uninspired, cherry picked, & mistranslated opinions of men, which your posts are always full of? Is Origen inspired? Is Chrysostom inspired?
This simply refers to God's people who he judged in sin and put their face in the dust that there might be hope. If they were to humble themselves repent and seek his face in faith he would forgive and not cast off. The context of that section says as much. He talks of the many miseries of Jerusalem
This also refers to the prophet and his own struggles .
"How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!...3 Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of great servitude: she dwelleth among the heathen, she findeth no rest: all her persecutors overtook her between the straits........22 Let all their wickedness come before thee; and do unto them, as thou hast done unto me for all my transgressions: for my sighs are many, and my heart is faint."(Lamentations 1:1,3,22 KJV)
" How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!...18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night:"( Lamentations 2:1,18 KJV)
and so we read
"40 Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the Lord. 41 Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens."(Lamentations 3:40,41 KJV)
You take this out of context and try to build a super structure out of it.
Meaningless hate filled diatribe. The very same thing can be said about all the anti-mainline Christianity rhetoric posted here and in all the UR sources you quote. It proves absolutely nothing. All URs are told high priestess Ramelli and other such writings are the greatest resource & they simply believe that like blind mice blindly following a church or cult leader or a pope. See how easy that is? Let me know if you want to address the topic instead of meaningless ad homs.Prove it. How would you know, since you said you don't check the references. And you said people generally don't. Then people are told BDAG is the greatest resource & they simply believe that like blind mice blindly following a church or cult leader or a pope...
The opinions that you post are not inspired like the ECF mistranslations such as Origen, Clement etc. Meaningless diatribe you have not and never will prove that anything is a mistranslation. You do not have the requisite education and knowledge. All you are doing is saying anything which proves UR wrong is a mistranslation, etc.Their opinions re theoogy are not inspired like your ECF mistranslations. But like references in BDAG they indicate how the ancients understood their own Greek language, which is the language of the NT. See the difference?...
I think Young himself may have had a different meaning for "age" than is normally thought of.Young's Literal Translation
and the Life was manifested, and we have seen, and do testify, and declare to you the Life, the age-during, which was with the Father, and was manifested to us --
No the sons of men there were the Jews and Jeremiah etc. God was dealing with His people. And the verses simply say that God will have compassion, mercy and love. It is of the Lord's mercies we are not consumed. Jesus said God makes the Sun to shine on the evil and the good. But that doesn't mean his wrath is not on all that do evil. God is angry at the wicked every day as s rupture team he's and yet he is also loving and reaches out to them in love. God cannot deny himself.The reference isn't to God's people, but "the sons of men":
Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…
That translation opposes your false dogma of endless torments.
https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
No the sons of men there were the Jews and Jeremiah etc. God was dealing with His people.
To say they "shall not see life" is definitive. They shall not ever see it.
I shelled out about $150.00 for the Logos electronic edition of BDAG.
Meaningless diatribe you have not and never will prove that anything is a mistranslation. You do not have the requisite education and knowledge..
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