This response is a little late, but I just couldn't leave this unanswered.
It was an analogy and it makes the point perfectly and effortlessly.
There's an english expression I'm thinking fits. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.
You are trying to express your atheist street cred.
Of course I do. It is of no concern to the "saved." What do you think they're saved from? Eternal ingrown toenails?
Hell was not the concept that had me accepting Christ. Reality was.
I pointed out flawed logic. Little kiddies are hardly in a condition to be theologians. And fifteen year old boys are hardly thinking about God every three-seconds. Eh-hem.
Your opinion duly noted.
In your opinion. In mine, music is supernatural. What ape man thought up the violin or Marshall stack. Even 21st century ape men.
Have you ever thought to add up all of the miracles in the bible as a time consumption game? Almost all of the time there were no miracles happening. But that is complex thinking I know. It's not as tasty as naturalisms knee-jerk reactions.
It's a good point. Why do you think wasting your time bashing Christians is a worthwhile endeavor. You are not here to be convinced to convert.
I'll make it as endlessly as you guys bring up amputees that have to live one-armed. Your clicheisms are legendary.
You guys invented the gotcha argument. I like to use it your way.
You deconverted from a child. That's supposed to be impressive? Not much street cred there. usually it's more typical though. I'll give you that.
Almost all of we Christians went the other path. We were non believers that figured out the reality of Christ. Many of us after the education process tried to cleanse our minds from healthy thought process.
Jesus talked about that. But you realize, that this is none of our fault right?
First of all, please cut it out with the generalizations. Just because I was 15 doesn't mean that I couldn't think. You're responding to my pointing out your useless clichés by saying that I use them too - yet you can seem to produce no response to my "clicheisms" whereas I have clearly told you why yours are wrong. On top of that, you're projecting your own childish and arrogant motivations for debate onto me, assuming that I'm debating just to bash you or make myself look smart.
Rather than reading my entire post, getting a cohesive idea of what I'm trying to communicate to you, and communicating back, it looks like you go through each individual sentence and write the first thought that comes into your head. It derails the discussion into a million pointless things and leads to stuff like you making a "haha boys think about sex a lot" joke in response to a piece of my story of how religion scared me as a kid and how that led to me becoming who I am today - and then you lose the whole point of the debate in your poor attempts at humor.
Let me explain something to you. I don't debate just to "bash Christians," or to impress you, or because I want to build street cred, or whatever it is you think that makes you act so disrespectful and immature. I debate because I'm curious as to how people think that I vehemently disagree with, and also, there's always the slightest possibility that I can change someone's mind (though it rarely happens). But I sure as hell don't debate so that I can listen to some smug Christian make wisecracks about teenage boys and generalizations about atheists. For me, the fact that you assume that I'm here just to bash Christians or to impress you (in conjunction with the style of your posts) holds some heavy implications about what
your purposes for being here are.
So, I'm done talking about this subject with you because I think that I have accomplished my goal of debating; namely, to understand how you think and why you think the things you do. My conclusion:
you don't think. You sit on your pedestal, content to be the "superior" one, and you look at each individual sentence and ignore the overarching argument in favor of looking at how you can poke fun at each one. I could go through all of your sentences and point out how they're not relevant or how they're invalid, and try to get the discussion back on the tracks that I started it on, but I'm fairly sure it would be pointless. (If you want to continue this discussion, you can try going back to my first post and starting over, this time actually addressing the general idea. I suspect you won't take the offer, though.)
So fine, keep making fun of me for being a "child." I will just point out the fact that you took my attempted exchange of ideas and turned half of it into mudslinging about "you atheists" and "kiddies."
O wise one, please teach me how to emulate such mature and Christ-like behavior.
