Do you think atheists go to hell even if they are good?
Paul didn't think so. Not some of them anyway.
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You will certainly not be the judge of such things.
Perhaps because just being in a relationship with the Divine, here and
now, is rewarding in and of itself? Hopefully, Christians see Him as more
than mere fire-insurance.
Well, I have not seen each and every person who claims to have come
into a relationship with Him, so I cannot say definitively what they have
or have not recognized amongst the details.
And I'm sure you already know that one doesn't have to be saved from
"endless torment in hell" to be saved or to have a Savior.
The jury's still out on that one -- the Story isn't over yet.
(I realize I have a terrible habit of over-estimating the King of the
Universe; please bear with me)
Do you think atheists go to hell even if they are good?
I think it is appropriate not only to tell people the benefits of making the right choices, but also the consequences of making the wrong choices.
So how is this just that if a christain who would lets say killed someone and asked for forgiveness would go to heaven and an atheist who has been good all there life, has never put themself first go to tell?
Please, answers?
I do not believe in the concept of Hell. I do not find such a place described in the Jewish scriptures. I do not believe if such a place existed God would condemn people there for the lack of a single belief. So, if such a place existed, atheists would not go there if they were good people.
From Judaism's perspective, our eternal soul is as real as our thumb. This is the world of doing, and the "world to come" is where we experience the eternal reality of whatever we've become. Do you think after being responsible for the torture and deaths of millions of people, that Hitler could really "end it all" by just swallowing some poison? No. Ultimate justice is found in another dimension.
- Ask the Rabbi - Heaven, Hell, Afterlife in Judaism
Not all souls merit Gehenom. It is for people who have done good but need to be purified. A handful of people are too evil for Gehenom, and they are punished eternally. Pharaoh is one example.
So what about "heaven?"
Heaven is where the soul experiences the greatest possible pleasure - the feeling of closeness to G-d. Of course not all souls experience that to the same degree. It's like going to a symphony concert. Some tickets are front-row center; others are back in the bleachers. Where your seat is located is based on the merit of your good deeds - e.g. giving charity, caring for others, prayer.
A second factor in heaven is your understanding of the environment. Just like at the concert, a person can have great seats but no appreciation of what's going on. If a person spends their lifetime elevating the soul and becoming sensitive to spiritual realities (through Torah study), then that will translate into unimaginable pleasure in heaven. On the other hand, if
life was all about pizza and football, well, that can get pretty boring for eternity.
The existence of the afterlife is not stated explicitly in the Torah itself, because as human beings we have to focus on our task in this world. Though awareness of an eternal reward can also be an effective motivator.
For further study, see Maimonides' Foundations of the Torah, "The Way of G-d" by Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzatto, and the commentary of Nachmanides to Leviticus 18:29.
With blessings from Jerusalem,
Rabbi Shraga Simmons
Aish.com
You left out a lot of answering of many of my questions. But, be that as it may, here's a Rabbi's thoughts on bad ending in eternity:
That is the rabbi's opinion. Teachings about the afterlife are not concrete in Judaism because we are not given much information in the scriptures about the afterlife.
We get a few glimpses but the focus of it is on this life, how we should live, and what we should do.
I do not believe in Hell, this rabbi does. Your mileage will vary between rabbis.
Then why all the obedience and holiness quest? Why not live for the gusto as ideologies like humanism declares? There are no hours or days and years in eternity right? I can wait to be purified of my "sins" in a timeframe that does not exist and then head on into the heavenly party as I instantly arrive at the pearly gates.
Just as I find the idea that one has to repent only for fear of punishment wrong, I also think it is wrong to only desire to repent for some sort of reward that is coming. Walking with God is its own reward. I need no other reason.
Wow. That makes me cringe.
Then why all the obedience and holiness quest? Why not live for the gusto as ideologies like humanism declares? There are no hours or days and years in eternity right? I can wait to be purified of my "sins" in a timeframe that does not exist and then head on into the heavenly party as I instantly arrive at the pearly gates.
I only have a select few "real" mentors in my life. One of them is a (not a Christian) orthodox Rabbi.
So you would be a hedonistic, immoral jerk if you didn't believe that God was going to judge your actions? That's a bit scary.
I'm not talking to him. I'm talking to the audience. They are the ones who should see his anti-humanism.
Yes, the insistent repetition that God judges us based on our inability to believe versus the claim that God judges us for our sins (with the saved getting let off the hook). I am aware of this, though perhaps you better make your perspective more believed in Christendom as far too many repeat the obscenity that atheists deserve eternal torture for thought-crime.razeontherock said:I don't believe this is a factual statement. This reveals at least one source of your angst on the subject, that can be corrected. God does not Judge us based on what we are not able to do, but on what we are able to do. I could say much more on this, but it is better for another thread.
No I don't. I speak in hypotheticals a lot of the time. I couldn't hold a position in this argument without using hypotheticals. Zaac, who ironically holds hypotheticals in open contempt is happy to allow me to argue based on a hypothetical to his perspective all of the time.You just expressed why the Gospel must be preached. You also just argued about "accurate observation of God," who you don't believe in. Don't you find that strange?
I saw the post, Tergle. Almost all of my content on this thread is in full regard with the original post. I hardly think you're the one to speak of keeping on topic.In keeping with the OP and the MOD WARNING, do atheists go to hell if they do not go back and re-read post 846?
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