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Atheists call for 'debaptism'

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John Hunt was baptised in the parish church of St Jude with St Aidan in Thornton Heath in south-east London. But 50 years later he stands outside and regards its brick facade without much affection.

Now Mr Hunt has become the pioneer in a rejuvenated campaign for a way of cancelling baptisms given to children too young to decide for themselves whether they wanted this formal initiation into Christianity. However, baptism is proving a difficult thing to undo.


This seems like a huge waste of time and effort. Can I undo the time I was nasty to a girl in high school? Undo my DUI? It happened. It's historical. If you want to be an atheist, go be an atheist. Being baptized is like being white or black. It's not undoable.
 

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How do you debaptize someone, by setting their hair on fire? Also, in what world is John Hunt "atheists"?

The only way I can see this as at all reasonable is if the church, after baptizing you as an infant, keeps you on some sort of official membership list. In other words, you were baptized in this church, therefore you are a churchmember, and from this we can tell that there is a certain number of churchmembers in this area. If I don't want anything to do with your church, then I think it's reasonable to demand that you take me off your membership list.

But then I don't know how churches reckon memberships and what sort of documentation a baptism produces.
 
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An A-thiest, wants to have a ceremony to undo a religious ceremony he believed in long ago?
If you don't believe, then the ceremony meant nothing. So what good would the reverse ceremony have?
Just another believer angry at God, no a true A-theist.
 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7941817.stm




This seems like a huge waste of time and effort. Can I undo the time I was nasty to a girl in high school? Undo my DUI? It happened. It's historical. If you want to be an atheist, go be an atheist. Being baptized is like being white or black. It's not undoable.
I totally agree. A true atheist shouldn't care one whit if they were baptized or not, if they don't believe in the first place.
 
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*rubs eyebrows* What confuses me about it is, if people don't believe in God or that a baptism does anything, or both... then de-baptising is pointless since they already know it's not doing anything.

My cynical side sees a spurt of Atheist Evangelical style tv stations, complete with requests for money to help their brothers and sisters continue to not believe in God.
 
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Some Catholics are baptised at birth by their parents wishes, so it is not surprising that when some cradle catholics grow up their views have changed.
I was baptised as a baby by a Priest when I wasn't expected to live, unbeknown to my parents (who were/are catholics).
The baptisms are not just about church membership it is also an historical documentation.

If you can't be unbaptised at least maybe some sort of amendment could be added to all cases like this ,etc.
 
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If he doesn't wan't to be a member they should have him debaptism ,I don't see the big deal.Why would they wan't him on the records if he doesn't belong their.It not a waist of time to have your name taken off a list that it doesn't belong.
 
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While atheists may not believe in the existence of gods, they do believe in the existence of churches, LutheranChick.
And if they do not wish to be a member of a church ask to be taken off the membership list. There is no such thing as 'debaptism'.
 
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Maybe from either extreme, this doesn't seem to make any sense, but from the point of view of one who has recently *become* atheist, or who is still close enough to religion to still resent the years it was foisted on them before they were old enough to consent, this makes perfect sense. I drifted from Christianity very slowly, and broke down in tears when I realized it was gone from my life. I mourned the ideas I couldn't force myself to believe anymore, the way I mourned dead relatives and friends. I can very much see how somebody would want a formalized split to mark the occasion--either in joy or sorrow. Plus, Oscar Wilde was right about a few things. One is that, for some people, the artistry of real life can help the person process it. Performing some ritual, by choice, that mirrors the one that was forced on them could provide some people with a sense of symmetry and balance that helps ease their passage into what may feel like a new life, or may help them feel like they have fully cut the ties to an organization.

For whatever reason a person might chose to do it, it isn't a decision that needs to 'make sense' from either a theistic or atheistic point of view. It's the sort of decision that a person would make from from feelings sentiment, personal symbolic significance and aesthetics. Like an initiation, or eating your late mother's favorite meal on her birthday, or something like that. There's no reason why anybody 'should' do it. But some people may find comfort in it all the same.
 
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