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#2 is incorrect for counter examples to evolution at: http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Evolution

Intelligence is dropping in some irreligious countries, but increasing in religious countries. And religious countries are seeing the biggest increases in population growth.

To a certain extent intelligence is heritable and the link between higher IQ individuals having fewer kids is known as dysgenic fertility.[18]

Michael Blume, a researcher at the University of Jena in Germany, wrote about the sub-replacement level of fertility among atheistic populations: "Most societies or communities that have espoused atheistic beliefs have not survived more than a century."[19] Blume also indicated concerning concerning his research on this matter: "What I found was the complete lack of a single case of a secular population, community or movement that would just manage to retain replacement level."[20] See also: Atheism and sexuality

Professor Eric Kaufmann's academic work and his book Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? argue using a wealth of demographic data that due to the higher birth rates of religious conservatives (and the below replacement level of the irreligious) and religious immigration to the Western World, atheism/secularism will decline in the Western World as early as 2021 or by 2050.[21][22][23][24]

In his paper, The Rise and Fall of the World's IQ, Thomas Hally wrote:
“ In many areas phenotypic intelligence has been increasing (the Flynn Effect) while genotypic intelligence is decreasing due to the negative association between intelligence and that which is known as ³dysgenic fertility´. Gains of as much as 7.5 IQ points in phenotypic intelligence are much greater than the 0.43 IQ points per generation in the world-wide genotypic IQ that had been estimated for the period 1950-2000. The situation in the industrially developed world appears to follow the lead of the United States and a handful of other developed nations in so far as the phenotypic IQ has been increasing at a greater rate as a result of environmental improvements.

In Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain and Australia phenotypic intelligence has stabilized and now is declining.[25]

In 2012, it was reported that Norway was the eighth most godless country on earth.[28]

Sweden is one of the most atheistic countries in the world and the website adherents.com reported that in 2005 46 - 85% of Swedes were agnostics/atheists/non-believers in God.[29] In 2012, it was reported to be the 4rth most godless place on earth.[30] Sweden also has the 3rd highest rate of belief in evolution as far as Western World nations.[31] See also: Sexual immorality and Sweden

Denmark has the highest rate of belief in evolution in the Western World.[32] In addition, in 2005 Denmark was ranked the third most atheistic country in the world and the website adherents.com reported that in 2005 43 - 80% of Danes are agnostics/atheists/non-believers in God.[33]

According to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and an article on Belief.net, Britain (which was the fountainhead of Darwinism) has become one of the most godless places on earth.[34] In 2012, Great Britain was reported to be the sixth most godless country on earth.[35]

Post World War II, Australia has become a highly secularized country.
Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/Intelligence_trends_in_religious_countries_and_secular_countries
 
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I suggest that you formulate your arguments in your own words and only use links to articles as 'extra information' or to mention sources or whatever.

We are here having discussions with eachother, not with the authors of articles who aren't even here.
Pick a subject, post an argument and discuss it.
 
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DogmaHunter,

Up to a point, your request is reasonable.

On the other hand, I am not going to do an excessive amount of typing. Copy and pasting and using links where is necessary is sufficient.

Christianity has a lot of evidence supporting it. Atheism has none. Your request, strictly adhered to, would put me at an unfair disadvantage.

Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and other philosophy reference works, is the denial of the existence of God. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Definition_of_atheism

Atheists, using the definition of atheism that encyclopedias of philosophy use, what proof and evidence do you have that atheism is true?

Christianity, on the other hand, has a great abundance of evidence supporting it. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Christian_apologetics_websites

YouTube's Shockofgod: "What proof and evidence do you have that atheism is accurate and correct?

"The hostility I am getting over this question is unbelievable...It's like..picture this...Atheism is a clown and it didn't know it. And then I got the clown and I walked it over...I forced it to look itself in the mirror. And it sees itself in all its red hair, big nose, big shoes, polka dot glory." - Shockofgod
 
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As far as this page http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Evolution , #2 and #12 are now fixed. #2 was removed. #12 was amended.
Look, I came here to talk to you and other members, not some questionable website. I hate it when someone blows me off and says go read about it here. That tells me the source does not understand the material well enough to express it in his or her own words. I haven't got the time to go online hither and yon. Again, I want to hear from you, not them. If you can't tell me in your own words, then I suspect you really don't understand the subject mater.
 
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DogmaHunter,

Up to a point, your request is reasonable.

On the other hand, I am not going to do an excessive amount of typing. Copy and pasting and using links where is necessary is sufficient.

It's not. And it's also against generic discussion forum rules.

Christianity has a lot of evidence supporting it.

Disagree.

Atheism has none

Atheism doesn't need evidence, as it doesn't make claims.
Atheism is just a position on claims of theism.


Your request, strictly adhered to, would put me at an unfair disadvantage.

lol....

Right... it's an "unfair disadvantage" to ask someone to support their claims with reasonable arguments, lol....

Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and other philosophy reference works, is the denial of the existence of God. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Definition_of_atheism

Right. Which is a response to the claim that a god exists.

Someone needs to first claim the existence of X, before I can disagree with such a claim.

Atheists, using the definition of atheism that encyclopedias of philosophy use, what proof and evidence do you have that atheism is true?

The burden of proof is on the theist, who claims that a god exists.

Christianity, on the other hand, has a great abundance of evidence supporting it. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Christian_apologetics_websites

Give me your BEST piece of evidence. In your own words.

YouTube's Shockofgod: "What proof and evidence do you have that atheism is accurate and correct?

Shifting burden of proof is a fallacy.
And "shockofgod"???? Seriously?
Classic example of shifting the burden of proof.

 
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Christianity has a lot of evidence supporting it. Atheism has none. Your request, strictly adhered to, would put me at an unfair disadvantage.

Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and other philosophy reference works, is the denial of the existence of God. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Definition_of_atheism

Atheists, using the definition of atheism that encyclopedias of philosophy use, what proof and evidence do you have that atheism is true?
The standard Christian god concepts are defined in a way that makes them unfalsifiable. Thus, it´s downright obscene for a Christian to demand proof or evidence against its God´s existence.
I can make ten unfalsifiable claims in less than three minutes. I don´t think this would put anyone under the burden of giving proof or evidence against their inaccuracy.


"The hostility I am getting over this question is unbelievable...It's like..picture this...Atheism is a clown and it didn't know it. And then I got the clown and I walked it over...I forced it to look itself in the mirror. And it sees itself in all its red hair, big nose, big shoes, polka dot glory." - Shockofgod
In view of this paragraph I am not surprised that he receives some not so appreciative responses.
 
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DogmaHunter.

The only reason why evolutionism is still around is that children are brainwashed into it and those who belong to secular religions and liberal theology do not want to be accountable to their Creator.

If evolutionism were vaild, evolutionists could satisfactorily answer these 15 questions for evolutionists: http://creation.com/15-questions But they cannot.

But evolutionism days are numbered. Britain, the birthplace of Darwinism, is being overrun with Muslims and evangelical Christianity is growing as well. These two groups have higher birth rates than the irreligious.

The evolutionist Richard Dawkins is panicking because he knows that Muslims will not assimilate and teachers are catering to Muslim schoolchildren whose parents teach them Islamic creationism. And global creationism is quickly growing.

The British newspaper The Telegraph reported in an article entitled Richard Dawkins: Muslim parents 'import creationism' into schools:
“ Prof Dawkins, a well-known atheist, also blamed the Government for accommodating religious views and allowing creationism to be taught in schools.

"Most devout Muslims are creationists so when you go to schools, there are a large number of children of Islamic parents who trot out what they have been taught," Prof Dawkins said in a Sunday newspaper interview.

"Teachers are bending over backwards to respect home prejudices that children have been brought up with. The Government could do more, but it doesn't want to because it is fanatical about multiculturalism and the need to respect the different traditions from which these children come."[12]

Johns Hopkins University Press reported in 2014: "Over the past forty years, creationism has spread swiftly among European Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, and Muslims, even as anti-creationists sought to smother its flames."

On February 24, 2015, the Science Nordic website declared:
“ Creationism, the belief that a god -- not evolution -- shaped life on Earth, is ... spreading in the very stronghold of evolution, Europe. That’s the conclusion of five years of research that’s been put into new book on creationism. The book details how creationism is on the march throughout most of Europe.

"Creationism is most dominant in Eastern Europe and Turkey, but even some schools in the Netherlands are teaching creationism," says one of the book’s authors Hans Henrik Hjermitslev, University College South Denmark. "Politicians in some German federal states are advocating that schools use creationist books alongside those about evolutionary theory in their lessons. This kind of struggle is going on on a small scale in many places."...

"Over the last ten years we’ve seen the emergence of big-city creationism. London is a good example," says Kjærgaar.

Here, noticeably more young people have been signed up to various local and religious groups.

"And this doesn't just apply to young Muslims as many people might think. Christian groups are also recruiting young people...

Creationism has particularly been on the rise in step with the internet, which according to Peter Kjærgaard has made it much easier for people to become activists...[17]

On October 4, 2014, the Vancouver Sun reported that evolutionism is rejected by hundreds of millions of evangelical Christians and Muslims around the world.[2]

Specifically, the Vancouver Sun declared:
“ Creationism, a religious world view that adamantly rejects Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution, is on the rise among evangelical Protestants and most of the world’s Muslims.

It is not only the majority of residents in Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Indonesia and Turkey who strongly reject the teaching that humans and other species evolved over millions of years from less complex creatures. So do tens of millions of evangelical Christians in North America (as well as South America and Africa).

Overall, [Nidhal Guessoum, a Middle Eastern physics and astronomy professor] who teaches at the American University of Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates, estimates roughly 60 per cent of the world’s Muslims are creationists, including many living in the U.S. and Canada.

Even though poll results about evolution vary based on the questions asked, Salman Hameed reported in the journal Science that strong anti-evolution majorities exist in Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt and Pakistan. The latter is among Canada’s top six source countries for immigrants...

An Angus-Reid survey found 43 per cent of Americans accept the creationist teaching that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, which means they reject the...view the universe began roughly 13 billion years ago.[3]
 
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DogmaHunter,

Up to a point, your request is reasonable.

On the other hand, I am not going to do an excessive amount of typing. Copy and pasting and using links where is necessary is sufficient.

Christianity has a lot of evidence supporting it. Atheism has none. Your request, strictly adhered to, would put me at an unfair disadvantage.

Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and other philosophy reference works, is the denial of the existence of God. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Definition_of_atheism

Atheists, using the definition of atheism that encyclopedias of philosophy use, what proof and evidence do you have that atheism is true?

Christianity, on the other hand, has a great abundance of evidence supporting it. See: http://www.conservapedia.com/Christian_apologetics_websites

YouTube's Shockofgod: "What proof and evidence do you have that atheism is accurate and correct?

"The hostility I am getting over this question is unbelievable...It's like..picture this...Atheism is a clown and it didn't know it. And then I got the clown and I walked it over...I forced it to look itself in the mirror. And it sees itself in all its red hair, big nose, big shoes, polka dot glory." - Shockofgod
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Oafman,

You are not being trolled. I haven't been unreasonable in my questions or the material I have presented.

I have chided a few people for being unreasonable, but nothing excessive in my criticisms.
You've displayed a degree of ignorance and irrationality which I find hard to believe is genuine.
 
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I think we're being trolled

That would certainly support your previous comment:

I'm still to be convinced that Conservapedia is not a brilliantly constructed piece of satire.

As this dude seems to be editing the articles on the site as this thread moves forward.

:)
 
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