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but that verse is talking about the wicked results of evil doers.
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"christ" who does that entail? Answer that question and then we can move on.
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That isn't a detail about an earthly Jesus, but merely the name of a deity that the Christians evidently followed and never necessarily witnessed in the flesh. Those are two very different things.
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Pliny was talking about his first meeting with "Christians". And that's it!!!
He mentioned Christ because he was talking about what the Christians believed.
It's really, REALLY clear that Pliny was NOT saying that he believed that Christ existed. But he does make it clear that "Christians" existed and that some were even willing to die for their beliefs.
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I think nobody here denies or questions the historical fact that people believed and believe in Christ.
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Historians never describe the beliefs of the people they are documenting? So Odin, Zeus, Ra, and Tiamat are all real?
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We have no idea, he mentions nothing about "Christ" apart from the fact Christians worship him.
"Zeus" Who does that entail?
It's no different.
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he doesn't have to believe in christ to simply state the fact that He existed.
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But of course he didn't do that. And even had he done that, he would have needed evidence to be a credible historian.
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But he didn't state that Christ existed. He only stated that Christians follow Christ.
Again, stating that Christians follow Christ, or that Ancient Greeks follow Zeus is not a statement that either one exist. He's merely relaying the beliefs of Christians.
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He mentions that Christians follow Christ. He does not, however, state that Christ exists.
Sorry, but after watching this go back and forth, my mind is starting to frazzle.
What do you not understand about the above statement?
The fact that he mentions Christ in reference to what Christians believe, is not proving anything. You're either being pedantic or REALLY think you're on to something. I don't know which is worse.
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He mentions that Christians follow Christ. He does not, however, state that Christ exists.
Sorry, but after watching this go back and forth, my mind is starting to frazzle.
What do you not understand about the above statement?
The fact that he mentions Christ in reference to what Christians believe, is not proving anything. You're either being pedantic or REALLY think you're on to something. I don't know which is worse.
he doesn't say christians follow Christ either. All of this is assumed. He just states the name christ, evidence enough!
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