Are vegetables overrated?

[Subduction Zone]

I thought beer made societies fall down.

No, it makes frat boys fall down.

Quick aside. When I went to school the drinking age was 18. I lived in a dorm and they realized it was much safer for people to get drunk in the dorm and crawl to their rooms, rather than to drive to bars and drive back. I happen to be allergic to beer. I can drink a couple, but after that I get an asthma attack. I could make two beers last all night. The next morning the hard core partyers would have hang overs and I would feel fine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm a snob. I just eat the florets. The rats at the dump can have the stalk.

I love the whole thing. But only if fresh.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I love the whole thing. But only if fresh.

And 'tight'.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think their serving is a half cup. Pretty small.

And four oz. of meat is a "serving" too.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it makes frat boys fall down.

Quick aside. When I went to school the drinking age was 18. I lived in a dorm and they realized it was much safer for people to get drunk in the dorm and crawl to their rooms, rather than to drive to bars and drive back. I happen to be allergic to beer. I can drink a couple, but after that I get an asthma attack. I could make two beers last all night. The next morning the hard core partyers would have hang overs and I would feel fine.

Maybe I should have developed that allergy. I drank a lot of beer, had a lot of really bad hangovers.......BUT THAT'S THE PRICE ONE PAYS FOR HAVING FUN!!!!!! .......

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Finished my Newcastle Brown Ale, so it's off to bed. Later dude.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Maybe I should have developed that allergy. I drank a lot of beer, had a lot of really bad hangovers.......BUT THAT'S THE PRICE ONE PAYS FOR HAVING FUN!!!!!! .......

It was not a choice on my part, I found out the hard way. Though I did occasionally invested in hard alcohol. And found out that I could have a hangover too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Finished my Newcastle Brown Ale, so it's off to bed. Later dude.

I still like beer. But since I like to breathe I always keep it to where I am safe to drive. In fact I am drinking a Red Hook IPA right now. On a hot day a good beer is hard to beat.

 

[blackribbon]

2017 USDA Food Pyramid

This is a recipe for obesity if I've ever seen one. What's wrong with these people?

Overeating of the items on this pyramid are a recipe for obesity...especially mixed with a sedentary lifestyle. Most Americans have no idea of what a "serving" looks like.

We have got to get past the idea that eating is a form of "entertainment". Food is not supposed to meet an emotional need but simply fuel our bodies. You eat for nutrition and not for pleasure. You don't have to like everything that you eat. Chew and swallow. We get this concept in the gym...people are willing to do exercises that they don't like because they want the end result. But we haven't moved this idea into the kitchen.

 

[blackribbon]

2017 USDA Food Pyramid

This is a recipe for obesity if I've ever seen one. What's wrong with these people?

This food pyramid has been obsolete for quite a number of years. It is not 2017. It was replaced by a different food pyramid then changed to the MyPlate in 2011. There are different variations for different ages and different activity levels but here is the basic guidleline one.

 

[blackribbon]

I pay $2.50 lb. for broccoli, and then toss the stalk. That puts the price right up there with ground beef.

You can buy frozen broccoli florets for much cheaper than $2.50 lb. Veggies aren't more expensive than meat unless you are extremely picky...in that case, you should be comparing broccoli florets to prime rib...eating the whole stalk is the "hamburger" comparison. You save money by eating a variety of veggies and eating what is "in season". Even more by going to a farmers market....

PS. Frozen veggies are every bit as nutritious as fresh.

 

[Cearbhall]

I pay $2.50 lb. for broccoli, and then toss the stalk. That puts the price right up there with ground beef.

Yikes...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You can buy frozen broccoli florets for much cheaper than $2.50 lb. Veggies aren't more expensive than meat unless you are extremely picky...in that case, you should be comparing broccoli florets to prime rib...eating the whole stalk is the "hamburger" comparison. You save money by eating a variety of veggies and eating what is "in season". Even more by going to a farmers market....

PS. Frozen veggies are every bit as nutritious as fresh.

Frozen florets are pretty good. I may go back to them.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Are vegetables overrated?

I found this immediately upon searching under this very title. I have believed for some time now that vegetables (and fruits) are vastly overrated as being necessary for good nutrition as they are pretty nutrient poor generally. I hardly eat any and to eat five servings per day is unthinkable.

I wanted to start this thread because some have argued (in another thread currently running) for the necessity of expensive fruits and vegetables in one's diet thus opposing my contention that a good diet is actually quite inexpensive.

The article mentions the USDA's "food pyramid" (which has been changed rather recently.????) which to me is just a means of promoting various agricultural enterprises, without regard to solid nutritional evidence that would justify them.

Most of the world lives on a starch-based diet. These foods are cheap and plentiful, and include: Bread, potatoes, rice, corn, taro, plantains, gentiles, chickpeas. . .

This whole-food, plant-based diet is affordable to anyone, and extremely healthy.

Vegetables and meats are small, and or infrequent side dishes in much of the third world.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This food pyramid has been obsolete for quite a number of years. It is not 2017. It was replaced by a different food pyramid then changed to the MyPlate in 2011. There are different variations for different ages and different activity levels but here is the basic guidleline one.

This is the 2017 USDA food pyramid. It shows plenty of protein but is a little heavy on carbs, light on fats.

 

[Rajni]

2017 USDA Food Pyramid

This is a recipe for obesity if I've ever seen one. What's wrong with these people?

I agree that it's a recipe for disaster.
I much prefer the low-carb version: Atkins Lifestyle Food Guide Pyramid

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I agree that it's a recipe for disaster.
I much prefer the low-carb version: Atkins Lifestyle Food Guide Pyramid

Agree 100 percent. And I'm living proof that it works.

 

[Rajni]

Agree 100 percent. And I'm living proof that it works.

My problem is self-discipline. After a week or so of low-carbing I start to miss things like pasta, rice, etc. But I do get a kick out of the seemingly paradoxical process of losing weight while eating high-fat. I've even had what's been called the "Atkins flu" during the induction phase, when the carbs are kept to no more than 20 grams a day, causing the body to shift from burning carbs to burning its own fat for energy.

What I love about it is that even if I do get hungry while eating this way, it's not enough to make me cranky, since the blood-sugar doesn't drop as radically low-carbing as it would normally. This has been especially helpful given that I'm a cashier, and refueling at the register is discouraged.

This thread has actually inspired me to focus on low-carbing again. I have noticed that when I go back to the starchy, carby foods that a kind of brain-fog develops and I just don't feel the same clarity of mind.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

2017 USDA Food Pyramid

This is a recipe for obesity if I've ever seen one. What's wrong with these people?

https://www.forksoverknives.com/my-...t-based-diet-on-an-austere-budget/#gs.ROK1VD8

 

[bhsmte]

My problem is self-discipline. After a week or so of low-carbing I start to miss things like pasta, rice, etc. But I do get a kick out of the seemingly paradoxical process of losing weight while eating high-fat. I've even had what's been called the "Atkins flu" during the induction phase, when the carbs are kept to no more than 20 grams a day, causing the body to shift from burning carbs to burning its own fat for energy.

What I love about it is that even if I do get hungry while eating this way, it's not enough to make me cranky, since the blood-sugar doesn't drop as radically low-carbing as it would normally. This has been especially helpful given that I'm a cashier, and refueling at the register is discouraged.

This thread has actually inspired me to focus on low-carbing again. I have noticed that when I go back to the starchy, carby foods that a kind of brain-fog develops and I just don't feel the same clarity of mind.

In general, the less physically active one is, the more important it is to go lower carb and reduce the insulin impact from eating more carbs delivers. For those folks who are more physically active, eating more carbs is not a problem.