Here's ANOTHER version of Zech. 12:10 (<I>Today's English Version</I>) which I BELIEVE is the more accurate translation
And since God is SPIRIT, then He could NOT have been the one who was pierced or stabbed
God chose to add human nature to His divine nature, which meant he could be killed because dying is a part of being human. Doesn't mean He will stay dad thoughAnd since God is SPIRIT, then He could NOT have been the one who was pierced or stabbed
Ed,
The TEV is like reading a Dick and Jane book !
While i agree that God is Spirit, I also recognize that God can be manifest in any form he chooses to be at anytime.
Exd 33:22:23
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by. And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
This again is God talking to Moses, and it aint no burning bush.
God chose to add human nature to His divine nature, which meant he could be killed because dying is a part of being human. Doesn't mean He will stay dad though
Originally posted by tericl2
Actually the TEV is a dynamic translation. Hardly the translation from which to argue points of accuracy. Here is what Young's Literal Translation says -
Zech. 12:10
And I have poured on the house of David, And on the inhabitant of Jerusalem, A spirit of grace and supplications, And they have looked unto Me whom they pierced, And they have mourned over it, Like a mourning over the only one, And they have been in bitterness for it, Like a bitterness over the first-born.
Here is another literal version -
Zech 12:10 (LITV)
And I will pour on the house of David, and on those living in Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of prayers. And they shall look on Me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they shall be bitter over Him, like the bitterness over the first-born.
I think you will find these much more accurate for in depth study.
More of the same heretical mumbo jumbo. You acknowledge that God is speaking in this passage but because it contradicts you man-made doctrine it is absurd.
Originally posted by OldShepherd
That is very interesting. By whom is "his" understood to "collectively represent all the children of Israel?" By anti-Trinitarians? Because that is certainly not the understanding of the the Jewish translators of the Jewish Publication society (JPS) and the Jewish translators of the LXX, 250 years BC.
(JPS) Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and beside Me there is no God.
(LXX) 6 Thus saith God the King of Israel, and the God of hosts that delivered him; {1} I am the first, and I am hereafter: beside me there is no God.
I am fairly certain that the Jewish Publication Society does not, and the LXX translators did not, have a Trinitarian bias.
Capitalization, in modern versions, is irrelevant! The original Hebrew did not have any!
Do not start insulting me! I have confined my comments to the validity, correctness of your posts. I said what you posted was mumbo-jumbo I did not question your intellegence or your character. If all you can do is attack my inteleligence then your postion is not defensible, in other words it is false.Originally posted by edpobre
OldShepherd,
Now, put on your thinking cap OldShepherd and use the little intelligence that God gave you, if any. Ed
Originally posted by cougan Psalms90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
Please answer the following question. What does the reference mean everlasting to everlasting aplied to God here?
This question is for the antiTritarians.
Originally posted by OldShepherd
Do not start insulting me! I have confined my comments to the validity, correctness of your posts. I said what you posted was mumbo-jumbo I did not question your intellegence or your character. If all you can do is attack my inteleligence then your postion is not defensible, in other words it is false.
Originally posted by tericl2
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders.And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (NIV)
Who is the son that was given? Who is the child that was born? JESUS!! And Jesus will be called MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER.
Pretty self explanatory.
Originally posted by edpobre
If you are still NOT convinced, read Romans 10:9 again and tell me who raised Jesus from the dead.
Now, put on your thinking cap OldShepherd and use the little intelligence that God gave you, if any.
If Jesus were God and he died, that means that God is NOT immortal after all and you make apostle Paul a LIAR. And if Jesus were God, and God RAISED him from the DEAD, you would make God a LIAR because God has said so many times that He ALONE is God.
Who's talking mumbo-jumbo OldShepherd? Next time, put the Bible where your mouth is so we can have a more profitable discussion.
Ed
Originally posted by tericl2
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders.And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace. (NIV)
Who is the son that was given? Who is the child that was born? JESUS!! And Jesus will be called MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER.
Pretty self explanatory.
John 1:3
THROUGH him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
I Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom all things came and THROUGH whom we live.
Colossians 1:16
For BY him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities;all things were created BY him and for him. (Capitalization mine)
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us . We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
This one explains how he could die. It was just the physical body that died. Can you deny God could do this if he so chose?
Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Col. 2:9 and Heb 1:3 very plainly tell us that the Deity (GOD) is Jesus, and that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God's being.
John 10:30
I (Jesus) and the Father are one."
John 14:7
If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him
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