Are there limits to what healing we can receive?

[ARBITER01]

Why the need for validation though? I mean, false ministers, false prophets have always existed and will always exist until the day Jesus returns. In fact I'm pretty sure scripture says they will get more numerous as that time draws near. If we believe what Jesus taught, we will know them by their fruit, not by whether they have doctor's notes proving their miraculous healing power. The people who opposed Jesus demanded He provide them proof of His claims. Even while He died on the cross, they demanded He prove Himself. Seems a bit off putting no?

And that's another issue in itself. I don't believe the power rests with us to use all willy-nilly as we see fit. The Spirit grants us the gift to fit the situation we are in. I don't subscribe to this idea that I'm given say the gift of healing, or a gift of healing, but if I'm out ministering then I can't expect words of prophecy because well I don't have the gift of prophecy. I don't see the gifts of 1 Cor 12 that way. As I'm working with the Spirit, He will grant me whatever gift I need at that moment to accomplish His work through me. So unless the Spirit tells me, go to that cancer hospital and clear it out as you put it. I no more have that ability than the next guy.

That's why I believe these gifts are given and displayed when the gospel is preached, when the name of Jesus is proclaimed. They are given to aid in that endeavor. If someone needs healing, sure they can be prayed over, in the sense of like James 5 with elders and such. That passage doesn't seem to indicate that healing would happen right away, it just says the Lord will heal. But from what you are proclaiming, that healing must be instantaneous and such like miracles, those are given on an as needed basis to empower and bless the ministry of the gospel.

I think where Oscarr is coming from is what he had read from some of the older saints, how they "did" have near instantaneous, if not instantaneous, healings that were recorded. Now that doesn't excuse him and his constant rant about it, but I do think this is what he is gauging things with.

I think you and others in this thread should pick up some of Maria Woodworth Etters books she wrote and read all the healing testimonies in them. If there was ever a person who was documented on what GOD did through them, she is. In my personal opinion, she had way more success and power in her ministry than Wigglesworth had.

After you read her works, then ask yourself why this isn't happening.

 

[Always in His Presence]

... and that is the point of contention. There are those of us who consider God's word authoritative, and others who only consider God's word as valid as their experience and teachers allow.

I'm with you 100%.

Can you imagine if the same standards were held when it came to Salvation.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think there is a failure here to see the difference between the Gifts of Healing and healing by faith and the prayer of faith.
People who are healed by the prayer of faith and simple faith in the Word do not get the fanfare and exposure the Gift of Healing might get. The gift is intended to be a sign to attract attention. I know with my own healing, there was no big hoopla. Just testimonies and sharing. I think this is true about most people who are healed simply by faith and the prayer of faith. I am willing to bet if you asked a faith congregation how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I think there is a failure here to see the difference between the Gifts of Healing and healing by faith and the prayer of faith.
People who are healed by the prayer of faith and simple faith in the Word do not get the fanfare and exposure the Gift of Faith might get. The gift is intended to be a sign to attract attention. I know with my own healing, there was no big hoopla. Just testimonies and sharing. I think this is true about most people who are healed simply by faith and the prayer of faith. I am willing to bet if you asked a faith congregation how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands.

True, but some here would demand you produce a doctor's note to prove you had been healed.

 

[Guojing]

I am willing to bet if you asked a faith congregation how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands.

If you ask any non-Christian group, how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands as well.

What does that show?

 

[mourningdove~]

God created us, Jehovah Rapha heals us. In Hebrew, it means to mend, to make whole.

Determined the time and place of our births:
-“And he made from one man every race of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted epochs and the fixed boundaries of the places where they would live;” (Acts 17:26)

He formed us:
-“For You formed my innermost parts; You knit me [together] in my mother’s womb” Psa 139:13
-“-“The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” Job 33:4
-"I will put ligaments on you, place muscles on you, and cover you with skin. I will put breath in you, and you will live. Then you will know that I am Yahweh." Eze 37:6
-"Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Mal 2;10
-"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." Rev 4:11

All types of healing are recorded in the OT and NT except types of deliverance. In the NT, Jesus commanded demons to leave individuals.

Yep!

I actually had been thinking earlier today that it might be interesting for someone here to start a poll here ... 'nother thread ... to see how many persons have actually personally experienced divine healing? Not to ask for a big long testimony about it ... a simple 'yes' or 'no' would do.

Like someone else has said, I think many of us have experienced personal healing, and just not made a big public show of it.

It is so easy to talk faith ... but does not personal experience with God also edify and build faith? I surely think that it does ...

 

[SavedByGrace3]

If you ask any non-Christian group, how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands as well.

What does that show?

I suppose they would say Christianity is not much better than non-Christianity.
Is that the answer you were looking for?

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you ask any non-Christian group, how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands as well.

What does that show?

Your claim takes the prize for evidence based research...

 

[Carl Emerson]

YES - to the Poll...

Healed of hip injury at healing meeting run by Ruth Heflin in Jerusalem.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Our difference is that I based the Word of God on what the Word says, not if someone can make it happen.

So, if you lay hands on a sick person and tells them that God is going to heal them, and they don't get healed, wouldn't they accuse you of lying to them?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Why the need for validation though? I mean, false ministers, false prophets have always existed and will always exist until the day Jesus returns. In fact I'm pretty sure scripture says they will get more numerous as that time draws near. If we believe what Jesus taught, we will know them by their fruit, not by whether they have doctor's notes proving their miraculous healing power. The people who opposed Jesus demanded He provide them proof of His claims. Even while He died on the cross, they demanded He prove Himself. Seems a bit off putting no?

And that's another issue in itself. I don't believe the power rests with us to use all willy-nilly as we see fit. The Spirit grants us the gift to fit the situation we are in. I don't subscribe to this idea that I'm given say the gift of healing, or a gift of healing, but if I'm out ministering then I can't expect words of prophecy because well I don't have the gift of prophecy. I don't see the gifts of 1 Cor 12 that way. As I'm working with the Spirit, He will grant me whatever gift I need at that moment to accomplish His work through me. So unless the Spirit tells me, go to that cancer hospital and clear it out as you put it. I no more have that ability than the next guy.

That's why I believe these gifts are given and displayed when the gospel is preached, when the name of Jesus is proclaimed. They are given to aid in that endeavor. If someone needs healing, sure they can be prayed over, in the sense of like James 5 with elders and such. That passage doesn't seem to indicate that healing would happen right away, it just says the Lord will heal. But from what you are proclaiming, that healing must be instantaneous and such like miracles, those are given on an as needed basis to empower and bless the ministry of the gospel.

The fact is that in spite of all the talk and quoting of Scripture, no one is getting healed. It puzzles me that people don't see that as a problem.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It is not a theory - it is the words of Christ

Where does He say that healing is guaranteed as the result of prayer and laying on of hands? Because He is not healing anyone on a routine basis today.

 

[Guojing]

I suppose they would say Christianity is not much better than non-Christianity.
Is that the answer you were looking for?

My point is many healing occurs naturally over time.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

The fact is that in spite of all the talk and quoting of Scripture, no one is getting healed. It puzzles me that people don't see that as a problem.

"no one is getting healed" My own personal experience says otherwise, you've testified in this thread otherwise to that. Perhaps you mean something different that what that reads on face value.

 

[lanceleo]

I think there is a failure here to see the difference between the Gifts of Healing and healing by faith and the prayer of faith.
People who are healed by the prayer of faith and simple faith in the Word do not get the fanfare and exposure the Gift of Healing might get. The gift is intended to be a sign to attract attention. I know with my own healing, there was no big hoopla. Just testimonies and sharing. I think this is true about most people who are healed simply by faith and the prayer of faith. I am willing to bet if you asked a faith congregation how many have been healed or are walking in health, the majority would raise their hands.

Is it God's will for all believers to be healthy?

 

[Always in His Presence]

So, if you lay hands on a sick person and tells them that God is going to heal them, and they don't get healed, wouldn't they accuse you of lying to them?

Again, scripture is not based on humans ability, but God’s Word.

If you prayed with someone to accept Christ as their savior and they died and ended up in hell, did you lie to them?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Where does He say that healing is guaranteed as the result of prayer and laying on of hands? Because He is not healing anyone on a routine basis today.

You mean.

Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”​

 

[Always in His Presence]

The fact is that in spite of all the talk and quoting of Scripture, no one is getting healed. It puzzles me that people don't see that as a problem.

The fact you state emphatically that no-one is getting healed amazes me. I have seen healing consistently over the last 38 years of ministry, into the thousands of people. It puzzles me that you do not -

 

[lanceleo]

You mean.

Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”​

This is promised to the community of the apostolic times and not to all believers in all ages.

1 Corinthians 12:29-30
King James Version
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Even the Psalmist saw the connection between forgiveness and healing

Psalm 103:
103 Bless the Lord, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
3 Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,
4 Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,
5 Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.