Are there limits to what healing we can receive?

[Carl Emerson]

Did you even read his post?

Non mention when a comprehensive list is presented, is different than the non-mention entirely.

 

[Guojing]

Non mention when a comprehensive list is presented, is different than the non-mention entirely.

Didn't realize Paul was telling us his list was comprehensive.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Didn't realize Paul was telling us his list was comprehensive.

You are forgiven...

 

[hislegacy]

So in this case, scripture is silent and it made you certain that "Paul was not sick"?

You mean besides Paul’s own words describing his many infirmities? None of which are sicknesses?

No my friend, scripture is not silent on this.

Strange, you did not follow your own advice of staying silent when scripture is silent, unlike our Acts 8 discussion about Phillip and Simon the sorcerer.

Sounds like you took offense to something in another thread and are trying to prove something about me personally.

Unfortunately, it failed. Scripture is not silent

My apologies if I hurt your feelings, it was not my intention

 

[hislegacy]

2 Cor 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ?—I speak as a fool—I am more: in labors more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequently, in deaths often. 24 From the Jews five times I received forty stripes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep; 26 injourneys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, inperils of my own countrymen, inperils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, inperils among false brethren; 27 in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness— 28 besides the other things, what comes upon me daily: my deep concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation?

30 If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity.

If one reads the verses preceding verse 30. Paul very plainly lists his infirmity, his very own words describe them.

Not one was a sickness

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Of course, the apostles and disciples were sick on occasion. They live in the same world as we do, have the same struggles, have the same weaknesses, and make similar, if not the same, mistakes.
Since when do we base our faith on the lives of men? We, like them, base our faith on the Word and the works of Jesus.

 

[Guojing]

You mean besides Paul’s own words describing his many infirmities? None of which are sicknesses?

No my friend, scripture is not silent on this.


Sounds like you took offense to something in another thread and are trying to prove something about me personally.

Unfortunately, it failed. Scripture is not silent

My apologies if I hurt your feelings, it was not my intention

I am just pointing out your inconsistency in this "scripture is silence" point.

Didn't expect that you will resort to patronizing.

 

[tturt]

Jesus said "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matt 10:7-8

Dont see any exceptions listed in Scripture such as v 8

 

[hislegacy]

I am just pointing out your inconsistency in this "scripture is silence" point.

Didn't expect that you will resort to patronizing.

Quoting scripture is not patronizing. Neither is responding in kind.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

Trying to find a topic that we can amicably disagree on, hopefully this is it. Scripture seems to support and promote that God heals us from all sickness and conditions.

Psalm 103:3 He who forgives all your iniquities and heals all your diseases,

Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

But most all of us have experienced times when we ask for and seek healing and it does not come. Now, a caveat to this discussion is I'm asking you not to use "It's God's Will" as a response to this. Is there scriptural support for the idea that we cannot be healed of some conditions?

Like, are there limits to what we can and cannot be healed of?

What is our response to people who genuinely ask for healing but do not receive it?

We need first to examine why the topic comes up.

Belief is cumulative. Most churches "offered healings" as a selling point.

I've often been told that my chronic albeit undramatic conditions, some of which I apparently had since birth, were an affront to the holy evangelising campaign.

Stop "offering healings"! Give Jesus time to show what He means.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

... We can't blame Cessationism for it ...

Functional cessationism is rife in "charismatic" churches and is the fruit of fundamentalist / "evangelical" "influencing" (which they were warned not to do) with its essentialist, moralising materialism.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

I just read in this morning's newspaper that the Anglican Church in England is in deep trouble with hundreds of the country's parishes disappearing through lack of members ... I know of one believer who travelled to England and found it almost impossible to find a church that preached the Gospel. He described the spiritual situation in England as "dead as a doornail:.

The evangelicals were warned not to try to influence but they ignored that. Result: everyone is under law to declare themselves not to be non-evangelical. "Evangelical" is solely a virtue signalling word (it means muscular christianity and hysterical commercialise camps). "So great a salvation" got replaced by an irrelevant mini salvation, in which archbishops can't eschew codependency.

 

[ARBITER01]

I think that Paul had it pretty well right when he told Timothy that many had departed from sound doctrine and were taking on fables. Paul gave another clue when he told the Corinthians and many were weak, sick and dying prematurely because they were not discerning the Lord's supper, and eating and drinking damnation to themselves. The damnation is not losing their salvation, but judgment in this life. When we look through what Jesus said to the Seven churches in Revelation. we get more clues about where the problem lies. The only church that got full approval from the Lord was the church at Philadelphia. All the others had serious faults requiring repentance. It is interesting that none of those churches exist today. When we consider the faults of each of those churches we see direct parallels with many, if not all of our churches today.

Also, the Scripture says that before the end, there will be a general falling away, so much so that when Jesus comes, will He find faith in the earth? We are also seeing Jesus' prophecy coming true about the rise of false prophets, especially when we observed all the prophets who predicted Donald Trump winning the last election were embarrassingly wrong. Also we see Youtube videos of so called prophets talking just word salads that mean nothing and yet multitudes are believing those prophecies,

When we consider all this, it is no surprise that we don't see the widespread routine manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit among the churches. We can't blame Cessationism for it. We have to look at the state of the church and the general falling away from the sound doctrine of the Gospel of Christ is glaringly evident.

Obviously the falling away is already taking place.

But say you had the optimal church setting for the gifts to flourish,.... would they? Not unless you have people dedicated to GOD to see them happen.

Everything still comes down to the individual.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Functional cessationism is rife in "charismatic" churches and is the fruit of fundamentalist / "evangelical" "influencing" (which they were warned not to do) with its essentialist, moralising materialism.

Maybe those Charismatic churches that have turned away from the supernatural gifts, including healing, have had the waters muddied for them through the false teaching and prophecy of the Prosperity movement. Also, I can understand a church giving up on the healing ministry when most if not all the sick people prayed for are not healed and some end up dying in spite of fervent prayer for them. Their thinking is, "Why keep on flogging a dead horse in the hope that it will revive and get up again?"

But those who continue to believe in the healing ministry for today, continue to pray for the sick even in the face of a lack of results, do so, because they know that they are sowing seeds, and are ministering out of obedience to God's Word rather than expecting results. Every now and again someone does get healed, and that is an encouragement to carry on with the ministry.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Obviously the falling away is already taking place.

But say you had the optimal church setting for the gifts to flourish,.... would they? Not unless you have people dedicated to GOD to see them happen.

Everything still comes down to the individual.

I have no doubt that things would happen in a church like that.

 

[Guojing]

But those who continue to believe in the healing ministry for today, continue to pray for the sick even in the face of a lack of results, do so, because they know that they are sowing seeds, and are ministering out of obedience to God's Word rather than expecting results. Every now and again someone does get healed, and that is an encouragement to carry on with the ministry.

Nowadays, I just follow Paul's teaching about how the Body of Christ should pray, whether is it for healing or otherwise, in Philippians 4:6-7 and 1 Thess 5:16-18, the latter which is simple and clear

16 Rejoice evermore.

17 Pray without ceasing.

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

No need to worry about whether healing comes after that kind of prayer. That is the loveliest thing about rightly dividing the word of truth

 

[Guojing]

Jesus said "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matt 10:7-8

Dont see any exceptions listed in Scripture such as v 8

The exception is found in Matthew 10:5