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Featured Are there different definitions of the "once saved, always saved" doctrine?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Lik3, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. Arthur B Via

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    When we look at 7.5 billion people on earth, then just 2 billion "claiming" Christ in their hearts, then 1/2 of those who don't really believe in His finished work at the Cross and in His Resurrection, that is a comparatively narrow path my friend. Just a little more than 10%. Jesus does not take back His gift! Read the Gospel of John 6:35-40 from Jesus Himself.
     
  2. SeventyOne

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    Ohh, a logic puzzle. I'm gonna go with less than 50.

    But I still don't know what this has to do with the topic.
     
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  3. Butch5

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    What's to understand? It's not in Scripture and Jesus said the exact opposite.
     
  4. 1stcenturylady

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    You might as well have, if you believe Luther.
     
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  5. JacksBratt

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    All humans sin. There is no way around it. Having the salvation of Jesus Christ does not stop you and cannot stop you from sinning.

    Tell me one person, from John Hagee to Billy Graham, to Chuck Swindol to Mother Teresa that did not sin in their walk with Christ.

    Tell me one person who should or could claim that they sin no more.

    It matters not if it is willful or unconscious or accidental... In Gods eyes we have all sinned and come short.

    Telling people that have just found their savior, that if they ever sin again.... their not saved..... is Satan's deceit.

    Other wise we, all of us, would have to keep renewing our salvation each week.

    It is good, acceptable and expected to continually repent from and ask forgiveness for our sins... but it is not to regain our salvation.... only to regain the connection with Christ.
     
  6. Kenny'sID

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    I think some of you are not reading closely enough.

    35 Jesus said unto them. I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

    As sure as we cometh we can leaveth. :)

    And if we say we believe but don't keep his commandments forget about it, we don't really believe. If you love me you will keep my commandments, meaning if we don't take an action, we don't love Jesus. So simple, and in turn, does anyone really think we can get to heaven if we don't love Jesus?

    Absolutely nothing in that scripture that states he won't take it back or more like *we* won't give it up, we can and we do. It's really not even a matter of Jesus taking anything back, it's always there for us, but if we don't take it or give it up after we do/or not take some action, it's gone if it ever really existed to begin with. We can play Christian or we can be one.

    Read the scripture on the Sheep and Goats, it's very clear in spite of those who would try to confuse Christs words. The Goats acted just like the thought they believed, they were like, huh? But, but Jesus? They did not believe or take any action to show belief, they were lazy/uncaring pretenders. Actions that OSAS says there is no need for. Jesus clearly explained why he was sending them to Hell...basically they didn't act in a manner that showed belief, they likely just talked with no walk.

    As for the other end of OSAS, sure God/Jesus will finish their work if we let them, they aren't going to force us to do anything, they must have our cooperation. No reason at all to think that's going to magically get us into the pearly gates either.

    Accept the plan of salvation, show it, and Go to heaven....don't and go to hell.
     
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  7. JacksBratt

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    Speculation. It does not say that.

    However, if you are a true believer in Christ... you still have free will. You can up and turn from Him and blaspheme the Holy Spirit.... run from your salvation...

    But, who in their right mind would do such a thing... people who were never saved and people .. well I bet nobody else would.
     
  8. Monk Brendan

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    This is a false doctrine. You CAN lose your salvation! (Please, don't start throwing stones until I am finished.) The whole idea of OSAS says that God's Word “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”(1 John1:8) is untrue. As we all know that that idea is dead wrong, and that God's Word is always true. Therefore, the idea of OSAS is false.
     
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  9. JacksBratt

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    So, in your opinion, we have to continually ask for salvation... our live long days?
     
  10. Kenny'sID

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    I didn't so much as indicate that we don't sin, so why are you directing that at me?

    And who here told them that, who here is really the deceitful one? You're making false accusations of others in order to make you side of this look correct. It's like saying "how can we possibly believe this guy (me) who said we can't sin at all?" in order to help your point when it's all made up, and you call me deceitful?..WOW

    Deceitful games are the only way one can make OSAS "appear" ok, just as is evident here, happens all the time.
     
  11. SeventyOne

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    Except, if he said that, he was right as our salvation isn't dependent on the quantity of sins just as our righteousness isn't dependent on the quantity of our good works. You make salvation to be tied directly into our works, good or bad, when it's never been that, ever.
     
  12. Monk Brendan

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    No. We have to live our lives in humble repentance, searching for sins in our walk, and living like we NEED God's gift of Salvation every minute, always conscience of our own weakness. If we can do that, then we can truly look at Jesus face-to-face with Joy, as He says "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."
     
  13. 1stcenturylady

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    But Luther makes it seem that we are not dead to sin. Luther also makes it seem we are in the flesh, but Paul said we are NOT in the flesh, but in the Spirit if, indeed, the Spirit is in us. Luther says willful sins like murder and adultery do not separate us from God, but a true Christian does not have a nature that commits such sins, IF they are a true Christian. It is the world that commits those things, not a person with the Spirit of God in them.
     
  14. SeventyOne

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    The point is not if christians would or would not do such things. The point is, if they did, would they lose their salvation. That would imply some sins are far more severe in light of salvation than others, implying our salvation would hinge on carrying out such sins or not (sounding a lot like the catholic concept of mortal and venial sins). In other words, are we maintaining our salvation through our actions or not. Would such acts separate us from God. If yes, it is a works-based salvation.

    I don't know much about Luther, and don't care too, but it seems he understood there was no action on our part that could separate us from God.
     
  15. Kenny'sID

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    What exactly did I speculate?

    Who in their right mind would never bother to get saved at all? People denounce the faith all the time..why? because they'd rather live a life of sin...simple. I've been there an back a few times myself. It's absolutely no mystery at all that people go back into sin...happens all the time. The parable of the sewer shows that clearly.
     
  16. Kenny'sID

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    This is simple...would you throw your kid out of the house for a few muck ups if he were sincerely trying?

    It's actually so simple, I'm just going to leave it at that. Try thinking in terms of earthly farther and son or daughter and how good people act normally, know God is just more strict, and I'm sure you will see.

    It's only complicated if we make it that, and your thinking for no good reason at all we have to get saved each time we sin is, by design, just a way of wording it to make our end seem ridiculous, and I wonder why you feel you need to do that.
     
  17. Halbhh

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    I was surprised to see this as to be an example of unconditional election, since it is the conclusion of the parable of the wedding feast, verses 1 through 14, and of course summarizes the meaning of the parable, that only those working to do as Christ said to do are ready when He comes -- those clothed for the wedding. Others who were indeed "invited" but did not then clothe themselves (Matthew 7:21 Context: Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. -- sometimes people don't notice verse 24 is the direct continuation with "Therefore...") then, without that clothing, get their election reversed, the parable(s) (several actually) tell us.
     
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    In the Gospel of John 6:35-40 Jesus tells us, " Those who come to me will NEVER be hungry. Those who believe in me will NEVER go thirsty. ( then speaking to the Pharisees He says), " but you have seen me and still you do not believe.Then "ALL those the Father gives me will come to me and I will NEVER drive them, us,away. Our Lord Jesus concludes the matter with "Of ALL those the Father gives me I SHALL Lose NONE, (Original Greek text is, Not even one) ,and I will raise them up at the last day. How do we enjoy the fruits of the Spirit IF we are questioning our salvation??? I don't think we could, I prefer enjoying my salvation and giving Praise, honor and Glory to Christ Jesus. It is NOT for us to stand at the base of the Cross and ask, how can I help. Jesus completed the task most completely! Hallelujah...
     
  19. Bible Highlighter

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    Once Saved Always Saved is defined by most (or in a standard Google search) as:

    “Perseverance of the saints (also referred to as eternal security as well as the similar but distinct doctrine known as "Once Saved, Always Saved") is a teaching that asserts that once persons are truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, nothing in heaven or earth "shall be able to separate (them) from the love of God" (Romans 8:39) resulting in a reversal of the converted condition.”

    Source:
    Perseverance of the saints - Wikipedia

    In other words, “Once Saved Always Saved” is saying (by those who teach it) that once you are saved, you cannot become unsaved no matter what you do. Then again, many in the OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) camp will tell you that a believer will not justify an excessively sinful lifestyle (because they are changed); But yet they will also say you can still be saved even if you die in one or two unrepentant sins (as long as you generally lived a holy life - “whatever that means”). In short, they are saying you can sin a little and it is okay with God. I did talk with some who believed that a believer can commit as much sin as they like and yet they are still magically saved somehow as long as they have a continued belief on Jesus as their Savior. One guy admitted to me in person that he would still be saved even while mowing down a bunch of people with a machine gun. So this teaching is scary stuff. It is a denial of the Lord’s basic goodness or God’s eternal moral laws.

    I believe in Conditional Salvationism because that is what the Bible teaches. It teaches that while we are initially and ultimately saved by God’s grace (i.e. Justification), we are also to obey God (i.e. Sanctification) as a part of the salvation process. So salvation can be lost if one turns back to their sin and does not repent (i.e. confess and forsake their sins). Once Saved Always Saved is the exact opposite of Conditional Salvationism. My definition of “Once Saved Always Saved” is that it is a form of Easy Believism that is not biblical in the slightest. It is turning God’s grace into a license for immorality (See Jude 1:4 NIV). For it says you can sin and still be saved (on some level), whereas, Conditional Salvationism teaches that you cannot break God’s moral laws of love and be saved.

    I have discovered that there are three major types of Eternal Security, or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved). I classify them as follows:

    OSAS Type #1:
    Classic OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) which says you can practice unrepentant sin that leads unto death (Such as lying, murder, hate, fornication, etc.) and yet you can somehow still be saved.

    OSAS Type #2:
    Mid Range OSAS says that you cannot practice sin otherwise you do not know God. However, abiding in an occasional or small unrepentant sin and then dying in that sin will not necessarily send you to Hell.

    OSAS Type #3:
    OSAS Lite teaches that you if you practice or continually abide in unrepentant sin then you were never saved to begin with. Meaning that a true believer is characterized by them living righteously. So falling away from the faith would be impossible (Despite the many verses that talk about such a thing).

    In addition, there are those who deny Eternal Security and yet they also beleve that they can also sin and still be saved, too. These types of individuals that I ran into are rare. Also, the term: “Perseverance of the Saints” is more of a Calvinistic phrase for "Once Saved Always Saved" (And some believe that the two differ slightly). However, there are many believers who believe in “Once Saved Always Saved” but yet they deny the other points of Calvinism. Granted, Calvinism is unbiblical, but it is strange why people choose to believe things that are not really in Scripture to begin with.

    Anyways, the fact of the matter we know that the general message of OSAS in many cases tends to lead people into being enslaved to their sin and not being set free from it. How so? Just check out these testimonies below.

    Ex OSAS Audio Testimonies:
    Testimonies of former eternal security believers

    Suicide & OSAS:
    A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

    A Pastor's Testimony on OSAS:
    A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.

    Hooked on Sin & OSAS:
    Out Of Darkness | NO Eternal Security | Christian Testimony

    OSAS Proponent who was a Mass Murderer and a Victim of Suicide:
    George Sodini.

    Yes. It is true that Once Saved Always Saved is a false doctrine. Pretty much any supposed proof text for OSAS is refuted easily by looking at the surrounding context. It is also easily refuted by using any real world example (which is similar to what Jesus did with his many parables).

    Well, I am not big on the willful sin teaching by other Conditional Salvationists because most all sins are done willingly or by our own will. I understand that Christians get this teaching idea from Hebrews 10:26, but I think it is not exactly correct. For it gives the believer the impression that we can sin and confess our sins over and over endlessly the rest of our lives whereby we do not need to overcome sin or treat it as seriously. A person who confesses their sin their whole life can convince themselves that their sin is out of their control their whole life (Which is not true). Hebrews 10:26 is referring to individuals who sin intentionally and they do not need to confess or forsake their sin. They are intentionally (willfully) sinning under God’s grace (Thereby turning God’s grace into a license to sin - whereby there is no sacrifice for their sins then). But why is the willful sin teaching not correct ultimately? Because there are sins that do not lead unto death (See 1 John 5:16-17). 1 Peter 3:21 says that baptism is not for salvation or the putting away of the flesh (i.e. sin) (For “filthiness of the flesh” is clearly in reference to “sin” in 2 Corinthians 7:1; So 1 Peter 3:21 is not talking about physical dirt as some wrongfully teach). So baptism is not a sin that leads to spiritual death or the second death (i.e. the Lake of Fire, see Revelation 21:8). Granted, while 1 John 5 refers to the “sin that does not lead unto death” as confessed sins, the Scriptures talk about other kinds of sins that do not lead unto death like "not being baptized in this life", and or hidden or secret faults (Psalms 19:12). Hidden or secret faults would be like going over the speed limit a little or not taking out the trash yesterday like you knew you should have, etc.). Anyways, the willful sin teaching is not exactly true because if a believer chose not to be baptized because they did not find believers like himself, or God called him to focus his life on loving God and loving others (Whereby he was too busy to be baptized), he would not be condemned. For baptism is not a sin that leads unto death. So even if one willfully chose to not obey the command to be baptized, they would still be saved because it is a command that is not necessary to keep as a part of our salvation. Granted, I think a believer will want to be baptized if he has an opportunity, it simply is just not a salvation issue.

    Works or obedience (Sanctification) is the second phase or logical next step after a person has accepted Christ as their Savior and believes that He died on their behalf on the cross and rose from the dead 3 days later. Some in the Eternal Security (OSAS) camp will claim Conditional Salvationists (like myself) are trying to get all the glory by trying to save myself. But this is simply not true. I believe that Jesus is the only entrance or way to get saved (i.e. to cleanse us of our past sins); And Jesus is there for us if we honestly do stumble in our walk in overcoming sin in this life. But also, Jesus is the One who ultimately does the good work through our hearts and lives. For Jesus says in John 15:5 that we can do nothing without Him. So I cannot pat myself on the back and claim that I am saving myself or scream in the mirror and call people to come see how good I look. It doesn’t work like that. Salvation is 100% in Jesus. However, Jesus not only saves us in Justification, but He saves us in Sanctification, too.

    The doctrine of Sanctification plays a pivotal role in our salvation just as much as the doctrine of Justification does. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

    In any event, to show that works or obedience is a necessary part of our salvation, just check out the following pieces of Scripture here:

    Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).
    "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." (James 2:17).
    "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
    "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "
    (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
    "...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).
    "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).
    "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
    "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
    "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).
    "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).
    "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
    "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).
    "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).
    "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).

    And there are of course many more verses like these, as well.

    Oh, and here are verses on the error of Christians saying they cannot walk uprightly:

    Jesus says,
    "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5:16).

    Jesus also says,
    "You give glory to my Father when you produce a lot of fruit and therefore show that you are my disciples." (John 15:8 GW).

    And Peter says,
    "Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).

    Paul says,
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).

    Long List of Verses Refuting Eternal Security or OSAS
    (Once Saved Always Saved):


    (Click on the following spoiler button to check out the verses):

    Genesis 3:4 - Satan says you shall not surely die to Eve. This is the same lie that is being pushed upon believers today. This lie is: "Sin (Break God's Commands) and you will not die." (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:3, and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15).
    Matthew 5:22 - Jesus says that whosever says "You fool" to a person, they are in danger of hell fire.
    Matthew 5:28-30 - Jesus says you can be cast bodily into hell fire for looking upon a woman in lust.
    Matthew 6:15 - Jesus says if you do not forgive, the Father will not forgive you.
    Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.
    Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.
    Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.
    Matthew 12:36-27 - You can condemned by your words at the Judgment.
    Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.
    Matthew 13:41-42 - Jesus will send forth His angels and gather all out of His Kingdom who offend and do iniquity and cast them into the furnace of fire.
    Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.
    Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.
    Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.
    Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.
    Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also see Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)
    Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).
    Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.
    Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.
    John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).
    John 8:47 - He that is of God hears God's words.
    John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.
    John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.
    John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?
    Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.
    Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.
    Romans 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.
    Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.
    Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.
    Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.
    2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.
    2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.
    Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.
    Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
    Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.
    Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.
    Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
    … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.
    Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.
    Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.
    Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.
    1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.
    1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.
    1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.
    1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).
    1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.
    Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.
    Titus 1:16 - We can deny the Lord by a lack of works.
    Titus 2:12 - The grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously in this present world.
    Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?
    Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
    Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.
    Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).
    Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).
    Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.
    Hebrews 5:9 - Jesus is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.
    Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.
    Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.
    Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.
    Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.
    Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (without which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.
    Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.
    James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.
    James 1:21 - lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
    James 2:17 - Faith without works is dead.
    James 2:24 - By works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.
    2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.
    2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.
    2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.
    1 John 1:7 - If we walk in the light as he is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
    1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.
    1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.
    1 John 2:29 - Everyone that does righteousness is born of Him [Christ].
    1 John 3:7-8 - He that does righteousness is righteous; And he that commits sin is of the devil.
    1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
    1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.
    Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality
    Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.
    Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13 above).
    Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).
    Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.
    Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.
    Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.
    Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.
    Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.
    Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.
    Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

    Source:
    Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS
    (Note: I added a few more to their list).
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2017
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    It is not venial or mortal, but unintentional or willful. If you willfully sin, knowing full well that it is not God's will, you are in rebellion against God. A saved person does not commit willful sins. Period. 1 John 3
     
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