Are there different definitions of the "once saved, always saved" doctrine?

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Please see post #89 also, for more. As we walk, following Christ, sometimes we do stumble. Peter.

Peter is an example. Peter stumbled. In Galatians chapter 2 Paul even wrote that Peter "stood condemned" at one point! Imagine that!

But we see that later in time, in Acts, Peter has turned from his sin of refusing to associate with the uncircumcised (a very serious wrong, in view of Christ's wording about welcoming "even the least of these" in Matthew chapter 25). After us real believers stumble -- you, me, any of us -- we can confess and repent, and return to following Christ.

Yes, Peter was head strong and prideful. Pride comes before a fall. But please realize that it wasn't until after Jesus rose from the dead that Jesus blew His Spirit into the apostles that were left. It is the Holy Spirit that makes all the difference in the world. It is He that makes us dead to sin. We no longer walk in the flesh, but in the Spirit IF the Spirit is within us. The Holy Spirit is POWER.
 
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The simple truth many do not want to hear is that if you were saved you would not justify your sin or your actions. You would continue with God to change you life. And yes, they are not with us because they were never of us. If you love your God, and have decide to die, to give your life for him, you will never lose your salvation.
That is true of some people - they remain faithful.
They never lose their salvation.

Not everyone though, as much Scripture shows.
They lose their salvation, and cannot repent again - there remains no more sacrifice for their sins.
 
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The simple truth many do not want to hear is that if you were saved you would not justify your sin or your actions.
Some believe this, and then don't.

First examples of those who tried to justify their sin: Adam and Havah (Eve).
Israel as a nation tried to also, and were not granted to enter the Promised land -AND they were used
by YAHWEH in SCRIPTURE
as an example, as a WARNING not to fall away, not to turn away, not to disobey in unbelief after having once believed.

An example FROM YAHWEH HIMSELF, for those who think they 'stand', to beware they might be cut away just as the original branches were.

Yes, you went through horrendous times, and yes, you still have free will to CONTINUE IN CHRIST IF YOU WANT TO..
and yes, you have free will remaining that you can give up if you want to, although it cost your soul if you do.
 
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That is true of some people - they remain faithful.
They never lose their salvation.

Not everyone though, as much Scripture shows.
They lose their salvation, and cannot repent again - there remains no more sacrifice for their sins.

Hey Jeff, your post made me want to consider Jesus' letter to the church of Ephesus in Rev. 2. My question to you is what do you think they lost when they lost their first love, and Jesus told them to repent. I'm not sure, so would like your input.
 
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We are as sheep, gone astray, until the Shepherd retrieves us.

As sheep, we can still go astray,
and as sheep with free will, we can rest in the Shepherds Perfect Care,
or we can allow the enemy to trick us,
to deceive us, if we stop trusting and stop relying on the Shepherd - oh, Jesus will NEVER fail and NEVER forsake us,
but that never means we will not turn back to the vomit like a dog does (one of Jesus' warnings)
and doesn't mean that we won't
selfishly turn again to the lust of the flesh, or the lust of the eyes, or the pride of life ,
"in our free will to choose to do so",
even though it could mean , or does mean, the total destruction of our souls instead of what we once tasted in the heavenlies - JOY and PEACE and SALVATION !

The warnings,
GOD'S WARNINGS to us are not light nor to be ignored - like ISRAEL that HE USES as an example,
we can be cut out, while the original branches are grafted back in....

OR, willingly and JOYOUSLY we can REMAIN IN HIM, with our whole heart and soul and mind,
instead of fighting against Him and His Word,
remain in HIM forever,
do not ever choose on purpose to turn away from God, to leave Him, to depart from Him,
because it might be eternally fatal,
as GOD HIMSELF WARNS.
 
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That is true of some people - they remain faithful.
They never lose their salvation.

Not everyone though, as much Scripture shows.
They lose their salvation, and cannot repent again - there remains no more sacrifice for their sins.
Because they have denied God for their own lusts. They are not walking after God. The are not repentant, and they are not saved. What is this lie... that someone can flip God the bird in their own spirit, and have salvation to lose? They do not want God. They want their sin, and are easily offended when you point out their errors. They then offer all kinds of ungodly nonsense about 'you shouldn't judge' and the like to shut you down, and justify their own works. Such people were never saved. Arent saved.

The only way to truely lose your salvation is to deny Christ after having accepted him. Yes in that a true christian can lose their salvation, but that is not the jist of this conversation. Nor the meaning behind OSAS.
 
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Yes, Peter was head strong and prideful. Pride comes before a fall. But please realize that it wasn't until after Jesus rose from the dead that Jesus blew His Spirit into the apostles that were left. It is the Holy Spirit that makes all the difference in the world. It is He that makes us dead to sin. We no longer walk in the flesh, but in the Spirit IF the Spirit is within us. The Holy Spirit is POWER.

Yes. Consider that after receiving the Spirit, Peter did this very major, huge wrong, and then "stood condemned". It's so dramatic.

Consider -- through Peter, with Peter's real and strong faith, a girl was raised from the dead!

That Peter, the very same Peter, then did this huge wrong, and it must have troubled his conscience.

And Paul had to confront him.

It's a humbling lesson to all of us, that if even Peter could stumble so badly, then we can too.

This is why confessing and repenting is so crucial, for us already converted, already believing in real faith even.
 
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The only way to truely lose your salvation is to deny Christ after having accepted him. Yes in that a true christian can lose their salvation, but that is not the jist of this conversation. Nor the meaning behind OSAS.
Those who have promoted the error of osas for decades (or centuries) have not seen it this way.

Thus it is the meaning behind osas for almost all people who have heard of it, as well as all those who promoted it.

It has only led to confusion and problems in those who are seeking Christ who are not ready to ignore such a heresy.

As you have put it here is fine, the truth,

and which is not osas doctrine that churches have promoted in error and to great harm for others.
 
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Yes. Consider that after receiving the Spirit, Peter did this very major, huge wrong, and then "stood condemned". It's so dramatic.

Consider -- through Peter, with Peter's real and strong faith, a girl was raised from the dead!

That Peter, the very same Peter, then did this huge wrong, and it must have troubled his conscience.

And Paul had to confront him.

It's a humbling lesson to all of us, that if even Peter could stumble so badly, then we can too.

This is why confessing and repenting is so crucial, for us already converted, already believing in real faith even.

You said: Peter did this very major, huge wrong, and then "stood condemned". It's so dramatic."

You didn't say what?
 
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Those who have promoted the error of osas for decades (or centuries) have not seen it this way.

It may be that it has never been explained this way.

It has only led to confusion and problems in those who are seeking Christ who are not ready to ignore such a heresy.

Confusion of what? Legalism? Your understanding? Why are you so quick to muzzle and jude the grace of God?

As you have put it here is fine, the truth,

Thanks be to God. I am a fool, and a liar. I only post what has been revealed to me.

and which is not osas doctrine that churches have promoted in error and to great harm for others.

Doctrine... ahh yes, and then there is that. The traditions and edicts of men. Why not go to God concerning what you believe, and let the Holy Spirit guide your understanding?
 
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You said: Peter did this very major, huge wrong, and then "stood condemned". It's so dramatic."

You didn't say what?

Oh, sorry! Galatians chapter 2. It's always good to read such a thing fully, all the passage. When you see "Cephas", that's Peter.
 
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It may be that it has never been explained this way.
RIGHT ! Everyone else explains it a different way, unlike and different from you. YES! (they are wrong)
Confusion of what? Legalism? Your understanding? Why are you so quick to muzzle and jude the grace of God?
Confused yourself ? You said something right, and others continually have said something wrong - they have been confusing and causing little ones to stumble for centuries.
Thanks be to God. I am a fool, and a liar. I only post what has been revealed to me.
If you only post what has been revealed to you,
if Yahweh is the one revealing to you,
they you should not be a liar.
Doctrine... ahh yes, and then there is that. The traditions and edicts of men. Why not go to God concerning what you believe, and let the Holy Spirit guide your understanding?
osas is the traditions and edicts of men. That's why , apparently , YOU and also I do not agree with it.

If you think osas is not the traditions and edicts of men,
then that is not the understanding that God gives.

Your own definition of your own thinking about osas was not contradictory to God's Word. Rest in God's Word then,
and do not claim the doctrines and edicts of men are the same as your way/ your definition.
 
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Oh, sorry! Galatians chapter 2. It's always good to read such a thing fully, all the passage. When you see "Cephas", that's Peter.

How silly of me, I missed a sentence.

Yes, Paul was full of righteous indignation being the apostle to the Gentiles, but what about Peter and Barnabas? They were between a rock and a hard place. Who to offend? Let's see, the Gentiles or the Jews; the Jews or the Gentiles? Paul is not God. He couldn't see their hearts. They had already spent time with the Gentiles, so maybe in their eyes, they would spend time with the Jews. I don't believe anyone is condemned in God's eyes.
 
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Notice that the proponents of osas all believe they have no free will left to leave Jesus.

Really? All proponents of osas believe they have "no free will left to leave Jesus"?

How can you even make that statement? Anyone at any time, who is saved, could turn and walk away. They could blaspheme the Holy Spirit, express their hearts desire to be against Christ. They could even believe in Christ but choose to be His enemy and follow Satan. In the end, they could take the mark of the beast as well.

You should not make statements with absolutes like "all". You should also back up your statements with facts.

Naturally no one in the Shepherd's Care 'ought' to want to leave Him,
Agreed. I would question the authenticity of the original belief in Christ, of any who totally turn from Him.

but His Word repeatedly gives warning about this very thing.
Can you post the scripture you are talking about?

So even just one warning about the penalty of leaving Him, one believer who tasted of the heavenlies, leaving Him, disproves osas hands down.

Don't understand the concept you are describing here.

Something so simple, mankind has complicated beyond recognition of the truth, to deceive others further or to placate their own selves, or some other reason..... (maybe just being deceived is enough?) ...

Exactly, it is simple. Believe on Christ and accept Him as savior ( don't get all technical on me here. I know there is more to it than this but that is the basic principal. I'm implying that they were actually saved. OK? )

What would those, who don't believe in osas, have us do? Continually, over and over coming to Christ and asking for salvation and eternal life? Are you kidding me?

If your heart is changed and you believe, truly in Christ, you have eternal life. You may fail, you may slip up, you may backslide a bit.... you are still His sheep.

Unless you make a deliberate and conscious effort to turn from this and purposefully blaspheme the Holy Spirit or Take the "mark" when it is available....then:
1/ You never were saved.
2/ You have exercised you free will to deny Christ.
 
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Really? All proponents of osas believe they have "no free will left to leave Jesus"?

How can you even make that statement? Anyone at any time, who is saved, could turn and walk away.
This is what they have repeatedly said on this and other forums.

If you have a different osas thinking , like one other recently here, GOOD !
 
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Really? All proponents of osas believe they have "no free will left to leave Jesus"?

How can you even make that statement? Anyone at any time, who is saved, could turn and walk away. They could blaspheme the Holy Spirit, express their hearts desire to be against Christ. They could even believe in Christ but choose to be His enemy and follow Satan. In the end, they could take the mark of the beast as well.

You should not make statements with absolutes like "all". You should also back up your statements with facts.


Agreed. I would question the authenticity of the original belief in Christ, of any who totally turn from Him.


Can you post the scripture you are talking about?



Don't understand the concept you are describing here.



Exactly, it is simple. Believe on Christ and accept Him as savior ( don't get all technical on me here. I know there is more to it than this but that is the basic principal. I'm implying that they were actually saved. OK? )

What would those, who don't believe in osas, have us do? Continually, over and over coming to Christ and asking for salvation and eternal life? Are you kidding me?

If your heart is changed and you believe, truly in Christ, you have eternal life. You may fail, you may slip up, you may backslide a bit.... you are still His sheep.

Unless you make a deliberate and conscious effort to turn from this and purposefully blaspheme the Holy Spirit or Take the "mark" when it is available....then:
1/ You never were saved.
2/ You have exercised you free will to deny Christ.

It seems you are arguing with Jeff as if he, himself, believes in osas. How funny.
 
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RIGHT ! Everyone else explains it a different way, unlike and different from you. YES! (they are wrong)

I am only aware of my own definition as of this point in the conversation then. If your statement is correct that is.

Confused yourself ? You said something right, and others continually have said something wrong - they have been confusing and causing little ones to stumble for centuries.

I am not confused. Not in the least.

If you only post what has been revealed to you,
if Yahweh is the one revealing to you,
they you should not be a liar.

I called myself a liar because I veiw my own beliefs as false. My beliefs are not as important as truth, and should never be defended as such simply because I want to hold them as truth. Thysly, I try to not push my own understanding as truth, instead I seek God to guide my understanding, and to give me what I should say. So for me to witness from the flesh is a lie, because Jesus is the truth, not my carnal flesh or understanding.

osas is the traditions and edicts of men. That's why , apparently , YOU and also I do not agree with it.

I do not agree with almost any denominational dogma or what have you. I am adherent to sola scriptura, and revelation by the holy spirit.

If you think osas is not the traditions and edicts of men,
then that is not the understanding that God gives.

No, I question everything. I want truth. I will even flay my own beliefs to find the truth. So this discussion we are having is as much myself searching as it is me speaking what I believe. I reconise that I may be wrong on any single point and if I do not correct my ways than I am not able to learn. I have no regard for personal opinion in my walk with Christ. Either my beliefs are based on fact or they must be shot in the head like a zombie before they infect someone else.

Your own definition of your own thinking about osas was not contradictory to God's Word. Rest in God's Word then,
and do not claim the doctrines and edicts of men are the same as your way/ your definition.

With respect, I will claim what I believe to be true as I feel to be lead regardless of consequence, offence, or claims of the contrary. Thank you.
 
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General verses regarding Unconditional Election


Ps 65:4 Blessed is the one you choose and bring near, to dwell in your courts! We shall be satisfied with the goodness of your house, the holiness of your temple!

Mt 11:25-30 At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Mt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Jn 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Jn 13:18 I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.[3]

Jn 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

Acts 2:39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Acts 2:47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Acts 13:46-48 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us, saying, “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’” 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Rom 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Rom 11:5-7 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. 7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,

Eph 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Eph 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Phil 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for 13 it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

1Thess 1:4-5 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, 5 because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.

1Thess 5:9-10 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him.

2Thess 2:13-14 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Pet 1:1-2 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

God’s purpose in election

Isa 43:6-7 I will say to the north, Give up, and to the south, Do not withhold; bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth, 7 everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”

Rom 9:22-24 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

Eph 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Eph 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved—6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

2Tim 1:8-12 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, 9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, 10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher, 12 which is why I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me.

Saved by God’s free will

Jn 1:11-13 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 9:15-16 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

1Cor 1:30-31 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

Jas 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The reason of election is not in the person being chosen

Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Rom 9:10-13 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

Rom 10:20 Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”

1Cor 1:27-29 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

God grants repentance, faith, grace to the sinner

Acts 5:31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

Acts 15:8-9 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.

Acts 16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

Acts 18:27-28 And when he wished to cross to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed, 28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.

1Cor 12:8-10 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Phil 1:29-30 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, 30 engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have.

2Tim 2:24-26 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

Heb 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

2Pet 1:1-2 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

God said it, I believe it, that settles it.
 
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With respect, I will claim what I believe to be true as I feel to be lead regardless of consequence, offence, or claims of the contrary. Thank you.
Without respect, in the sense that Yahweh is no respecter of persons,

you have posted well in line with God's Word. I was aware of the differences in what you have posted, and what most all others say about osas,
but I didn't know the differences until you posted them. i.e. GOOD that you did, as you are not in the same class as those who differ from Scripture in their lives and doctrines and teachings. Thank you or even more THANK GOD for you as you serve Him, and for your testimony !
 
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No, but we are if just calling Jesus Lord is going to save us as the OSAS crowd does. What does verse 21 say?

21 `Not every one who is saying to me Lord, lord, shall come into the reign of the heavens; but he who is doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens.

Does that mean to "Sin boldly" as Martin Luther said? He also said, "No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day." Is THAT doing the will of the Father?

Don't be deceived into believing that grace is covering all your present and future sins. If you are still sinning, Jesus NEVER knew you.

Interesting you should bring up the will of the Father.

John 6:38-40 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Jesus says the will of the Father is that He loses nothing the Father gives to Him, including us. So, if He loses us, He's not doing the will of the Father. It also says the will of the Father is that everyone who believes in Him should have eternal life.

And Luther was right, there is no sin that can separate us. We've become a new creature, and there is no reverse creation process.

And as far as grace covering all my sins, scripture teaches that all our sins were atoned for at the time of the cross (Col 2:14), not at the time we are born again. We are reconciled to God when we are born again, but all our sin acts were already paid for. There is no bill to be paid going forward.
 
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