Are Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

[Frogster]

Didn't you say the Oneness members are not Christians with your very first post? Yes or No?

he has the right, Jesus said, not all who say to me Lord, Lord...knew him..

Jude said they feast with you, so the fakes were intimate in the church, no doubt said they were christians, but were they?


are we called to just introject everything?

 

[By Faith Alone]

he has the right, Jesus said, not all who say to me Lord, Lord...knew him..

Jude said they feast with you, so the fakes were intimate in the church, no doubt said they were christians, but were they?


are we called to just introject everything?

He has no right. No one does. I reject that with all my heart

 

[By Faith Alone]

Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The.... Lord .....rebuke thee.

 

[Frogster]

He has no right. No one does. I reject that with all my heart

then chuck out text, and the false apostles of 2 cor were not angels of light, and don't test everything like 1 thess 5 says to do.

that should make your heart skip a beat!

 

[Frogster]

Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The.... Lord .....rebuke thee.

well..the Lord rebuked through michael, and paul, and jude, and peter, and john..

they all talked of false bretheren.

 

[Tzaousios]

Personally, I would define separation from God as being spiritually dead (i.e lacking the Spirit of God in your life).

Okay, this is appears to be a particular interpretation that you hold concerning the matter being discussed. Is it correct?

Also, I would point out that just because there is a spiritual separation from God, does not also mean that there is strict, ontological separation between Him and a spiritually-dead person.

Does it really matter whether or not the EO has chosen not to make it a dogma?

To people who reject everything emitting from the EO, no it does not matter. One could call into question the very reason why we are having this conversation because of this. Is it to permit you to take one more opportunity to criticize the EO?

The fact remains, the view of hell they teach to others is unbiblical.

How so? You have not addressed the Scripture that I took the time to post in my previous post. In fact, you tried once already to deflect from replying to that post.

The Scriptures say that Sodom and Gomorrah serve as an example to what will happen to the wicked in the end, and yet, the EO preaches that none will perish but all will be in God's love, so to speak.

"So to speak." This means that even you recognize that the experience of God's presence that the saved and the damned experience according to the EO are NOT the same. Why don't you acknowledge this distinction openly?

Doesn't that sound a lot like universalism?

No, but the type of separation from God's presence that you are advocating sounds a lot like Annihilationism.

Not true. God is not present in the life of satan nor is He present in the lives of the wicked (Ephesians 4:17-19). This is why the Scriptures refers every unbeliever as being dead (John 5:24).

Are you advocating Annihilationism? Please address the texts that I supplied in my post #95 to support my point. Here is the rejoinder that others constantly repeat in GT: "Are you saying that your prooftexts contradict my prooftexts?"

Jeremiah 23:24

Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3

The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.


Psalm 139:7-10

Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.
John 1:1-3

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:15-17

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Ephesians 1:19-23

19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might 20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[By Faith Alone]

well..the Lord rebuked through michael, and paul, and jude, and peter, and john..

they all talked of false bretheren.

WE...are not inspired to do so. Their discernment is greater than ours. They received the Truth through the Lord Himself and NOT some teaching to common man. Their authority was from Jesus Christ Himself and the final authority was from God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

WE...are not inspired to do so. Their discernment is greater than ours. They received the Truth through the Lord Himself and NOT some teaching to common man. Their authority was from Jesus Christ Himself and the final authority was from God.

Since there is no teaching on how people today "of like passions" can become just as developed in their "discernment" such ideas don't really have credibility in themselves .

 

[Lion King]

Okay, this is appears to be a particular interpretation that you hold concerning the matter being discussed. Is it correct?

Also, I would point out that just because there is a spiritual separation from God, does not also mean that there is strict, ontological separation between Him and a spiritually-dead person.



To people who reject everything emitting from the EO, no it does not matter. One could call into question the very reason why we are having this conversation because of this. Is it to permit you to take one more opportunity to criticize the EO?



How so? You have not addressed the Scripture that I took the time to post in my previous post. In fact, you tried once already to deflect from replying to that post.



"So to speak." This means that even you recognize that the experience of God's presence that the saved and the damned experience according to the EO are NOT the same. Why don't you acknowledge this distinction openly?



No, but the type of separation from God's presence that you are advocating sounds a lot like Annihilationism.



Are you advocating Annihilationism? Please address the texts that I supplied in my post #95 to support my point. Here is the rejoinder that others constantly repeat in GT: "Are you saying that your prooftexts contradict my prooftexts?"

You asked for one reply. Gave you one. Let's respect the OP and move on.

 

[Tzaousios]

You asked for one reply. Gave you one. Let's respect the OP and move on.

The OP has not returned in quite a while. What we are discussing is related to points that unfolded along with the topic. Does this mean that you are allowing my points to stand?

 

[Lion King]

The OP has not returned in quite a while. What we are discussing is related to points that unfolded along with the topic. Does this mean that you are allowing my points to stand?

Topic at hand: Are the Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

Do you have anything to add to the discussion?

 

[Tzaousios]

Topic at hand: Are the Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

Do you have anything to add to the discussion?

If I start a separate thread will you reply to my previous post?

 

[Rev Randy]

He has no right. No one does. I reject that with all my heart

Sure he has that right. Just like CF has that right and says Christians are defined by the Creed. Saying "not christian' does not hold the same damnation in Orthodoxy as it does with some others. It simply means outside of the Church and not following Church doctrine and dogma.

 

[Lion King]

Sure he has that right. Just like CF has that right and says Christians are defined by the Creed. Saying "not christian' does not hold the same damnation in Orthodoxy as it does with some others. It simply means outside of the Church and not following Church doctrine and dogma.

Which church would that be? The EO church or the body of Christ?

Those two are not the same, after all.

 

[Knee V]

He has no right. No one does. I reject that with all my heart

The more helpful thing to do is to read my words for what they specifically are.

 

[Optimax]

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” Luke 10:25-28


Jesus told me if I love others, I will live. You know what? I believe Him.

PS. I don't look at the Scriptures from a single POV.

Sure you do.

Your single POV is that what Jesus accomplished on the cross is not sufficient and you must make up the insufficiency by your works.



Do this and thou shalt live touto poiei kai zeesee. Present imperative (keep on doing this forever) and the future indicative middle as a natural result.

There was only one trouble with the lawyer's answer.

No one ever did or ever can "do" what the law lays down toward God and man always.

To slip once is to fail.

So Jesus put the problem squarely up to the lawyer who wanted to know by doing what.

Of course, if he kept the law perfectly always, he would inherit eternal life.


(from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1997, 2003 by Biblesoft, Inc. Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament. Copyright © 1985 by Broadman Press.)

Same goes for everyone else including you.

No one was ever able to keep the law perfectly except Jesus.

Because He did.

We are not required to.

We are to do this.

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
KJV

 

[Rev Randy]

Which church would that be? The EO church or the body of Christ?

Those two are not the same, after all.

Sure they are.

 

[Lion King]

Sure they are.

If you say so.

 

[Rev Randy]

If you say so.

Thank you. now we can join together in a chorus of :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA

 

[Frogster]

WE...are not inspired to do so. Their discernment is greater than ours. They received the Truth through the Lord Himself and NOT some teaching to common man. Their authority was from Jesus Christ Himself and the final authority was from God.

we are instructed/inspired to test everything 1 thess 5.