Are Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

[WisdomTree]

Aren't Oneness Pentecostals just a combination of two ancient heretical sects; the Montanists and the Sabellians?

 

[By Faith Alone]

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Orthodoxy...the majority....the word overrules majority. Don't get it yet. Huh? The Word is Stronger than a legion of demons. Impressive. Huh?

Nvm

 

[ViaCrucis]

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Orthodoxy...the majority....the word overrules majority. Don't get it yet. Huh? The Word is Stronger than a legion of demons. Impressive. Huh?

Nvm

Nobody suggested the majority is always right, so your reference was rather non-sequitur.

If there were only one small tiny church in the middle of nowhere and it was the last place on earth that confessed the Creed, it would still be orthodox, the last bastion of orthodoxy around.

Orthodoxy isn't a numbers game. It's about what is true and what is not true.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Knee V]

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Orthodoxy...the majority....the word overrules majority. Don't get it yet. Huh? The Word is Stronger than a legion of demons. Impressive. Huh?

Nvm

Orthodoxy is not the majority. Orthodoxy is the truth. Anyone is free to demonize the truth and follow after false Christs all they want. Why they'd want to is beyond me, but they're free to do so nonetheless.

And no, I am not impressed.

 

[ViaCrucis]

By the way, your last sentence is kinda hypocritical, especially when you consider how Luther cut himself off from the Roman Catholic church to go play his own pope.

You might want to go back and read up on the history of the Reformation..

-CryptoLutherant

 

[Rev Randy]

It's actually quite amusing how some of you guys claim that the Oneness church are not part of the historical Christianity circle because of the heretical teachings they hold. But at the same time, consider the Roman catholics, Lutherans, Eastern orthodox, Baptists, SDA etc as valid members of Christianity, though their doctrines are different as night and day.

How does that work exactly?

It's called the Creed. That's how it works. We profess the very definition of Christianity.

 

[Lion King]

You might want to go back and read up on the history of the Reformation..

-CryptoLutherant

C'mon dude, everyone and their grandma knows Luther broke away from Roman Catholic to go preach his own doctrine of faith alone. Don't really see how you can stand here and criticize the Oneness church for preaching heretical stuff, when your own church does the same according to the Roman Catholics.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...

 

[Lion King]

It's called the Creed. That's how it works. We profess the very definition of Christianity.

The Nicene creed is not the definition of Christianity according to the LORD.

It's the definition of Christianity on the Christian Forum.

You would do well not to confuse the two.

 

[Rev Randy]

C'mon dude, everyone and their grandma knows Luther broke away from Roman Catholic to go preach his own doctrine of faith alone. Don't really see how you can stand here and criticize the Oneness church for preaching heretical stuff, when your own church does the same according to the Roman Catholics.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...

My grandma would disagree.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

You might want to go back and read up on the history of the Reformation..

-CryptoLutherant

Sorry, there are Youtube videos and Chick tracts that cover that stuff

 

[Rev Randy]

The Nicene creed is not the definition of Christianity according to the LORD.

It's the definition of Christianity on the Christian Forum.

You would do well not to confuse the two.

Sorry, it goes far beyond Christian forums. Into nearly every Liturgical Church at every worship service.

 

[rockytopva]

You might want to go back and read up on the history of the Reformation..

-CryptoLutherant

Speaking of history... I can trace my Pentecostalism back a long way...

John Wycliffe - Bible translator
John Bunyan - Favorite author
John Wesley - Favorite evangelist
William Seymour - Favorite doctrine architect
Smith Wigglesworth - Man of faith
RW Schambach - Modern day evangelist


From wince comes this oneness pentecostal doctrine?

 

[Rev Randy]

Sorry, there are Youtube videos and Chick tracts that cover that stuff

 

[Rev Randy]

Speaking of history... I can trace my Pentecostalism back a long way...

John Wycliffe - Bible translator
John Bunyan - Favorite author
John Wesley - Favorite evangelist
William Seymour - Favorite doctrine architect
Smith Wigglesworth - Man of faith
RW Schambach - Modern day evangelist


From wince comes this oneness pentecostal doctrine?

Sabellius. A third century priest with bad theology.

 

[Lion King]

Sorry, it goes far beyond Christian forums. Into nearly every Liturgical Church at every worship service.

It's such a shame that you think that some creed that only came into force centuries after the ascension of Christ can replace what the LORD has already established. Seems human pride knows no bounds. What a tragedy.

God already gave us the definitions of what a Christian is, and here's one of them:

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” John 13:34-35

This is how I know who is a Christian and who is not.

Anyway, you can keep believing that the Nicene creed makes one a Christian, but don't be surprised when that turns out be false at the Great Day of Judgement.

 

[Rev Randy]

It's such a shame that you think that some creed that only came into force centuries after the ascension of Christ can replace what the LORD has already established. Seems human pride knows no bounds. What a tragedy.

God already gave us the definitions of what a Christian is, and here's one of them:

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” John 13:34-35

This is how I know who is a Christian and who is not.

Anyway, you can keep believing that the Nicene creed makes one a Christian, but don't be surprised when that turns out be false at the Great Day of Judgement.

Now please show me where I said the creed made anyone a Christian. I said it defined a Christian. It's our proclamation or what evangelicals like to call, a Statement of faith. Reciting it will not make you a Christian. But if one is a Christian, it lines up with their belief.

 

[rockytopva]

Sabellius. A third century priest with bad theology.

Never heard of the guy. A quick search shows you are correct.

One thing I have noticed about Pentecostalism, and that is that they cannot keep the revival going. The Holy Spirit may be there in a great and mighty way, and then, what happened?

And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them. - Acts 19:11-12

This was also true with the Apostle Paul who at one time had great healing campaigns, and then at other times could not get a healing himself (2 Cor 12:9) and then told Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomachs sake and his often infirmities (note- he did not offer Timothy a healing) .

 

[Lion King]

Now please show me where I said the creed made anyone a Christian. I said it defined a Christian. It's our proclamation or what evangelicals like to call, a Statement of faith. Reciting it will not make you a Christian. But if one is a Christian, it lines up with their belief.

Are all the people in the Church in Thyatira Christians (Revelation 2:18-29) according to the Nicene creed?

 

[Rev Randy]

Are all the people in the Church in Thyatira Christians (Revelation 2:18-29) according to the Nicene creed?

Beats me. But it appears they did not survive as that is no longer a church.

 

[Lion King]

Beats me. But it appears they did not survive as that is no longer a church.

According to the Nicene creed, is someone a Christian even if they eat food sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality?