Are Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

[Rev Randy]

According to the Nicene creed, is someone a Christian even if they eat food sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality?

The creed states beliefs not sins. Here, you can read this for yourself.

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Lion King]

The creed states beliefs not sins. Here, you can read this for yourself.

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

I thought you said the Nicene creed is the definition of Christianity?

So, according the Nicene Creed, is one a Christian even though they believe it's ok to commit sexual immorality and eat food sacrificed to idols?

 

[Rev Randy]

I thought you said the Nicene creed is the definition of Christianity?

So, according the Nicene Creed, is one a Christian even though they believe it's ok to commit sexual immorality and eat food sacrificed to idols?

So if you sin, are you no longer a Christian? The Church you brought up had members sinning. Does it really say they believed it was ok? Do you believe your sins are ok? I think that issue was resolved in the garden. People do indeed try to make a case for their sins being something other than sin but I'm not buying that they actually believe that in their heart. We know right from wrong.

Yes, Christians are known to sin.

 

[Lion King]

So if you sin, are you no longer a Christian? The Church you brought up had members sinning. Does it really say they believed it was ok? Do you believe your sins are ok? I think that issue was resolved in the garden. People do indeed try to make a case for their sins being something other than sin but I'm not buying that they actually believe that in their heart. We know right from wrong.

Yes, Christians are known to sin.

I'm talking about folks and churches who don't believe it's a sin to commit sexual immorality.

Are they Christians according to the Nicene creed.

 

[MrLuther]

I ask this because I see some sincere believers like bishop TD jakes who has a great love for God. Although he believes the Trinity doctrine now, he used to believe in the doctrine that God isnt 3 separate persons but one Person who manifests himself in 3 different ways.

Would they still be saved even though they misinterpret the God Head?

Quicumque vult
'nuff said.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

and now at the money changer table we are selling black paint so all kettles can be painted black .

 

[Rev Randy]

and now at the money changer table we are selling black paint so all kettles can be painted black .

Can I use said paint to paint a red door? I see one and I want it painted black.

 

[Frogster]

I'm talking about folks and churches who don't believe it's a sin to commit sexual immorality.

Are they Christians according to the Nicene creed.

they ate foods sacrificed to idols in 1 cor 8, and 1 cor 10.

 

[Frogster]

Are all the people in the Church in Thyatira Christians (Revelation 2:18-29) according to the Nicene creed?

botom line, it seems like no one is allowed to wonder if another is a christian, according to you? doctrine must come into it somehwere, because they convey truths.

Jesus said believe..well...doctrine defines what we believe about Him, there are, and were other christ's as you have been shown, and doctrine would show facts.

 

[Frogster]

John said anyone that says Jesus did not come in the flesh is false, that is a doctrinal statement to measure if one is a christian.

 

[Knee V]

The Nicene Creed was never meant to be an exhaustive definition of the Christian faith in its entirety nor to address every possible nuance of every possible doctrine. It is, however, a basic summary formulated in response to and in order to address certain specific heresies. In addition to that, it was made in order to serve a particular liturgical function. Every liturgy from the very beginning has had what is called a "symbol of faith". It is the point in the liturgy before communion where the congregation professes that which serves as the basis for their union in Christ. There were varied symbols of faith all throughout the church, and we see some of early ones in Paul's writings. But the Nicene Creed was given to the whole church so that the whole church might have the exact same symbol of faith in her liturgies all over the world.

It is a thorough yet basic (it covers all the main points without going into excruciating detail) summary of the Christian faith. That is it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Can I use said paint to paint a red door? I see one and I want it painted black.

that reminds me of a song now .

 

[ViaCrucis]

C'mon dude, everyone and their grandma knows Luther broke away from Roman Catholic to go preach his own doctrine of faith alone. Don't really see how you can stand here and criticize the Oneness church for preaching heretical stuff, when your own church does the same according to the Roman Catholics.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...

Luther didn't cut himself off, he was excommunicated.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Lion King]

Luther didn't cut himself off, he was excommunicated.

-CryptoLutheran

and why was Martin Luther excommunicated from the Roman Catholic church? Could it be that he was attempting to start his own religion different to the one taught by the RCC?

 

[Rev Randy]

Luther didn't cut himself off, he was excommunicated.

-CryptoLutheran

Seems Rome is touchy about people leaving nail holes in their doors.
Is it just me or are there some odd ideas out there about Luther?
The "Lutheran Pope" is my favorite. I must remember that.

 

[Rev Randy]

and why was Martin Luther excommunicated from the Roman Catholic church? Could it be that he was attempting to start his own religion different to the one taught by the RCC?

Start his own religion? Is tht really what you think his intentions were?

 

[WisdomTree]

Seems Rome is touchy about people leaving nail holes in their doors.
Is it just me or are there some odd ideas out there about Luther?
The "Lutheran Pope" is my favorite. I must remember that.

Explains why certain disgruntled Vatican Necromancers are trying to revive him...

Start his own religion? Is tht really what you think his intentions were?

Wait, you're saying that Luther didn't want to start his "Lutherferian" religion so he could be the Pope and King of the Holy Lutherferian Empire!?

 

[By Faith Alone]

Luther didn't cut himself off, he was excommunicated.

-CryptoLutheran

I am sure he was sore displeased.

 

[Rev Randy]

Just for history's sake I'll cut and paste a portion from wiki:

"He strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God's punishment for sin could be purchased with money. He confronted indulgence salesman Johann Tetzel, a Dominican friar, with his Ninety-Five Theses in 1517. His refusal to retract all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the Pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the Emperor."

 

[Lion King]

Start his own religion? Is tht really what you think his intentions were?

Of course! Luther even went as far as to create a German bible translation according to his own doctrines. In Romans 3:28, he inserted the word "alone" after faith.

From 1510 to 1520, Luther lectured on the Psalms, the books of Hebrews, Romans, and Galatians. As he studied these portions of the Bible, he came to view the use of terms such as penance and righteousness by the Catholic Church in new ways. He became convinced that the church was corrupt in its ways and had lost sight of what he saw as several of the central truths of Christianity. The most important for Luther was the doctrine of justification – God's act of declaring a sinner righteous – by faith alone through God's grace. He began to teach that salvation or redemption is a gift of God's grace, attainable only through faith in Jesus as the Messiah. "This one and firm rock, which we call the doctrine of justification," he wrote, "is the chief article of the whole Christian doctrine, which comprehends the understanding of all godliness."

There, in October 1518, under questioning by papal legate Cardinal Cajetan Luther stated that he did not consider the papacy part of the biblical Church because historistical interpretation of Bible prophecy concluded that the papacy was the Antichrist.