Are Modalists (Oneness Pentecostals) saved?

[Gregory Thompson]

Oh come on. Do you really believe he was out to start a new religion by speaking against selling indulgences for cash?
I'm not even going as far as what resulted but what his original intention was.

hey that reminds me weren't oneness pentecostals into that return investment tithing thing too?

 

[Rev Randy]

hey that reminds me weren't oneness pentecostals into that return investment tithing thing too?

Can't answer that right now. I'm busy trying to shove my camel through the eye if this needle. Darn camel is as stubborn as a mule.

 

[WisdomTree]

That settles it. I just heard it from Luther.MrLuther at that.
Now can we get back to sending those Oneness folk to be burned at the stake?
We've roasted Luther properly today and the EO yesterday. Looks like Rome is on the schedule for tomorrow. I bet this is one time they don't mind not being first.
So throw another log on the fire. The lumberjacks need the work.

Lumber jack song - YouTube

Smells good, what's cooking?

 

[Rev Randy]

Smells good, what's cooking?

I hear we're having roasted Pope today.
I see you have a new one

 

[WisdomTree]

I hear we're having roasted Pope today.
I see you have a new one

Ooh, also from the New World as well! It'll go well with some Patriarchs or four as side-dishes with some Catholicos' as the garnish.

 

[Rev Randy]

well let's get this ball rolling.
The pistachio hat is not biblical and only serves to hide his horns.

 

[WisdomTree]

well let's get this ball rolling.
The pistachio hat is not biblical and only serves to hide his horns.

What's a pistachio hat?

 

[Rev Randy]

What's a pistachio hat?

 

[WisdomTree]

Oh those! Did you not know? They have a hidden communication device directly to God so that the Holy Father knows when to do his whole ex cathedra thing.

Don't your own bishops have some sort of cool hats? Or does the beard do the trick by hiding Chuck Norris' third fist?

 

[The realist]

Oneness Pentecostals feel that those who do not speak in tongues are not saved. So they do not accept 99.995% of Christians as ligit. I knew a guy at work who was oneness Pentecostals and was not a warm and loving guy. He ended up back sliding after his fanatical wife left him and was actually a better guy as a sinner than as a Oneness Pentecostal. I cannot say they are not saved, but everyone of them I met are very mean people. Especially to their young people.

I am Wesleyan Pentecostal. I believe that , like William Seymour, one must tarry and wait on the Lord for more of him. Here is the doctrine as I believe it in metaphor to the Hebrew Temple.

1. Justification - We are justified through faith - The Outer Gates
2. Salvation - A simple profession of faith in Jesus or sacrifice is all that is needed for salvation. The Alter
3. Outer Sanctification - Conforming oneself to a righteous believers standard. - The Laver
*****Inner Temple - Jesus is the door! Inner sanctification******
4. The Word - Growing daily in the word of God - The Table of Shewbread
5. The Spiritual Light - Paul called these the fruits of the Spirit - The Candlestick
6. Prayer and Praise - Alter of Golden Incense
****The Vail of the Inner Temple
7. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit - The anointing!

In which William Seymour, the architect of this doctrine warns....

“Whenever the doctrine of the baptism in the Holy Ghost will only be known as the evidence of speaking in tongues, that work will be an open door for witches and spiritualist and free loveism. That work will suffer because all kinds of spirits can come in.” - William Seymour


Here is the image I copied and enhanced from Seymour's book...

And a video on the subject

Paradise Regained... w/ Darlene Zschech, Joel Osteen, and Cindy Cruze Ratcliff - YouTube

True, this was a common belief in the early parts of the denonmination but now that doctrin has changed actually dramaticaly in a lot of pentecostal circles. Most oneness pentecostals now are moving to a more common theme of charasmatics and trinity pentecostals in the area of salvation. Yet still other doctrins between the groups are greatly divided.

 

[The realist]

I won't address the saved part as that's not within my area of expertise but best left to God.
Now I'd say denying the trinity is not even close to "a different understanding' it's denying it outright. That is a whole different doctrine not a different understanding of the same doctrine.

But you don't know who's outright denying the trinity unless you've read about it or talked to someone. There are millions of oneness pentecostals. You haven't talked even to the majority of them. You can't doom everyone because of a few people false doctrins. Now that's not using wisdom at all.

 

[WisdomTree]

But you don't know who's outright denying the trinity unless you've read about it or talked to someone. There are millions of oneness pentecostals. You haven't talked even to the majority of them. You can't doom everyone because of a few people false doctrins. Now that's not using wisdom at all.

What about the millions of Mormons, JWs, Mohammedans (Muslims), and the Jews? Should we give them the benefit of the doubt because they only have a few false doctrines (a lot for some)?

 

[The realist]

What about the millions of Mormons, JWs, Mohammedans (Muslims), and the Jews? Should we give them the benefit of the doubt because they only have a few false doctrines (a lot for some)?

Come on now that's obvious. Oneness pentecostals believe in the foundational principles of salvation. You can't label them the same as islam and Judaism. The point is this watch whom you condenm because sometimes you don't know their heart, now granted they maybe sinning for staying in the denonmination but you dont know what they really believe and their reasons for being there. Every body in every denonmination doesn't believe the same way.

 

[Rev Randy]

Oh those! Did you not know? They have a hidden communication device directly to God so that the Holy Father knows when to do his whole ex cathedra thing.

Don't your own bishops have some sort of cool hats? Or does the beard do the trick by hiding Chuck Norris' third fist?

Yes we do. In the Greek tradition these are worn to hide our bulbous heads.

 

[WisdomTree]

Yes we do. In the Greek tradition these are worn to hide our bulbous heads.

So you're telling me that when a Greek cleric gets to the level of a bishop, he becomes a psychic!?

 

[WisdomTree]

Come on now that's obvious. Oneness pentecostals believe in the foundational principles of salvation. You can't label them the same as islam and Judaism. The point is this watch whom you condenm because sometimes you don't know their heart, now granted they maybe sinning for staying in the denonmination but you dont know what they really believe and their reasons for being there. Every body in every denonmination doesn't believe the same way.

Hence why the Catholic Church has the whole "inculpable ignorance" thing.

 

[Rev Randy]

But you don't know who's outright denying the trinity unless you've read about it or talked to someone. There are millions of oneness pentecostals. You haven't talked even to the majority of them. You can't doom everyone because of a few people false doctrins. Now that's not using wisdom at all.

I know about it because they are not shy speaking of what they are taught and believe. I concede that attending a single service with them would not show any indication of that belief. But when one inquires out of , thinking of joining or simple curiosity they are straightforward about it. It is not their little hidden secret.I mean the add it to their name . It's their proclamation.

 

[Rev Randy]

So you're telling me that when a Greek cleric gets to the level of a bishop, he becomes a psychic!?

No. He simply puts on a various shade of skin colored make up so he doesn't frighten you with his appearance. And he will always say, 'We come in peace".

 

[WisdomTree]

No. He simply puts on a various shade of skin colored make up so he doesn't frighten you with his appearance. And he will always say, 'We come in peace".

You Easterns are weird...

 

[The realist]

Hence why the Catholic Church has the whole "inculpable ignorance" thing.

Hence this is why the church is so divided. We are judging people in ignorance without formal knowlege.