ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

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This theory is really troublesome. If Scripture is not to be the light (guide) to our path as Scripture tells us it should be and any church who claims to be "the Church" and can change doctrine as they see fit, even if it goes against God's own Testimony Exo 31:18 as if they are above God its really the exact warning of Scripture.

2 Thes 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.

God's Word is all we need to instruct us on daily life. Going outside God's Word is where I would be worried if we are wanting to serve the One True God of Creation Isa 8:20

 

[Jan001]

Can you point out one verse that says the Ten Commandments is the law of Moses? God claimed the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath as His, not Moses

It is implied in more than one verse.

God's Law (the Ten Commandments delivered on two tablets of stone) that Moses brought down from the mountain would have been the first covenant if the Israelites had not made and worshiped the golden calf. Galatians 3:19

These Ten Commandments still would have been called the Law of Moses because Moses delivered them from God to the Israelites. John 1:17, 2 Corinthians 3:7, 2 Corinthians 3:15

Because the Israelites grumbled in the desert and worshiped the golden calf, about 600 additional Laws of Moses were required of the Israelite people.

The Judaizers in the early days of Christianity insisted that the Gentile converts to Christianity obey the Law of Moses (this includes the Sabbath of the Israelites, the other sabbaths, new moons, festivals, dietary laws, and circumcision). Acts 15:10

Acts 15:5
But some from the group of Pharisees who had become believers stood up and declared, “It is necessary for the Gentiles to be circumcised and ordered to observe the Law of Moses.”

The apostles/disciples refuted these Pharisee Judaizers and commanded that the uncircumcised Gentiles remain uncircumcised.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was a man called after he had been circumcised? Then he must remain circumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should remain uncircumcised.


We can see that the Sabbath is not required for Gentiles. Acts 21:19-26

Do not listen to the Judaizers (and SDAs ) who insist that Christians must keep the Sabbath of the Jews. Colossians 2:12-17


Jesus fulfills and thereby finishes the Law of Moses and its Sabbaths. John 19:28-30

Galatians 3:10-21
In contrast, those who rely on the works of the Law are under a curse, for it is written “Cursed is everyone who does not persevere in doing all the things that are written in the book of the Law.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the Law, for the one who is righteous will live by faith. 12 However, the Law is not based on faith. On the contrary, whoever does these things shall live by them.

13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse himself for us, as it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hung upon a tree.” 14 This is so that the blessing bestowed upon Abraham might be extended to the Gentiles through Jesus Christ so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 The Promise of the Covenant. Brethren, allow me to give you an everyday example. Once a human will has been ratified, no one can make further additions to it or set it aside. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and his descendant. It does not say “and to your descendants,” as referring to many, but it says “and to your descendant,” that is, to one person, who is Christ.

17 This is what I am saying: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, cannot invalidate a covenant that had been previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 Obviously, if the inheritance comes from the Law, it no longer comes from the promise. However, God bestowed it on Abraham through a promise.

19 The Purpose of the Law. Why then? It was added because of transgressions until the descendant (Jesus) appeared to whom the promise had been made, and it was promulgated by angels through an intermediary (Moses). 20 Now an intermediary is not necessary when there is only one party, and God is one.

Christians have been keeping Sunday, the Lord's Day, holy for about 2000 years and will continue to do this until Jesus' second coming. Revelation 1:10, Hebrews 10:23-31

 

[Jan001]

This theory is really troublesome. If Scripture is not to be the light (guide) to our path as Scripture tells us it should be and any church who claims to be "the Church" and can change doctrine as they see fit, even if it goes against God's own Testimony Exo 31:18 as if they are above God its really the exact warning of Scripture.

2 Thes 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.

God's Word is all we need to instruct us on daily life. Going outside God's Word is where I would be worried if we are wanting to serve the One True God of Creation Isa 8:20

Ironically, Scripture alone refutes your own doctrine of Scripture alone.

John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

1 Corinthians 11:2 I praise you because you remember me in everything and you maintain the traditions just as I handed them down to you.

Jesus founded a church with a hierarchical structure and he gave its leaders his authority on earth. Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 18:16-18, Matthew 28:18-20, Hebrews 13:7, Hebrews 13:17

1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

 

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It is implied in more than one verse.

Why go with implied when the Scripture literally spells it out, especially when it is God personally being the One who is spelling it out.

The whole bible is about the testimony of God through the apostles and prophet's, but yet when it comes to God's own personal Testimony that He personally wrote and personally spoke and claimed as His Exo 31:18 Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 , yet so many choose not to believe Him

Even Moses didn’t take credit for the Ten Commandments and he was there. I think I will stick with the Scriptures

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

God's Law (the Ten Commandments delivered on two tablets of stone) that Moses brought down from the mountain would have been the first covenant if the Israelites had not made and worshiped the golden calf. Galatians 3:19

This verse doesn't say the Ten Commandments and if you read a few verses up, its speaking of the book of the law Gal 3:10 which is everything written in the book by Moses placed OUTSIDE the Ten Commandments Deut 31:24-26. The law that was added because of sin can't be the same law that defines what sin is.

These Ten Commandments still would have been called the Law of Moses because Moses delivered them from God to the Israelites. John 1:17, 2 Corinthians 3:7, 2 Corinthians 3:15

None of the verses say the Ten Commandments is the law of Moses, why would one give a human credit for something that God alone takes credit for. The law of Moses includes God's Ten Commandments because all of God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 His version, not what was changed by man we were warned about in God's holy word.

Because the Israelites grumbled in the desert and worshiped the golden calf, about 600 additional Laws of Moses were required of the Israelite people.

There's no verse that says this the only law that was numbered in Scripture is the Ten Commandments and God is the one who numbered them, God is the one who wrote them, God is the one who spoke them, it is His commandments, His covenant and no more were added to this unit . They were placed inside the ark of the covenant and what all man will be judged by (His version) regardless is one chooses to accept His authority or not. James 2:11 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 why we see them at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19

The Judaizers in the early days of Christianity insisted that the Gentile converts to Christianity obey the Law of Moses (this includes the Sabbath of the Israelites, the other sabbaths, new moons, festivals, dietary laws, and circumcision). Acts 15:10

Acts 15:5
But some from the group of Pharisees who had become believers stood up and declared, “It is necessary for the Gentiles to be circumcised and ordered to observe the Law of Moses.”

Circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments . You are taking a lot of liberties to the word of God. While it is our free will, its something we are warfned not to do, I personally would take more to heart.

The apostles/disciples refuted these Pharisee Judaizers and commanded that the uncircumcised Gentiles remain uncircumcised.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was a man called after he had been circumcised? Then he must remain circumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should remain uncircumcised.

Yet they faithfully kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Acts 15:21 etc etc

We can see that the Sabbath is not required for Gentiles. Acts 21:19-26

The Sabbath is not mentioned once in this passage telling us not to keep. Jesus said to keep His commandments John 14:15 not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 My faith is in Him

Do not listen to the Judaizers (and SDAs ) who insist that Christians must keep the Sabbath of the Jews. Colossians 2:12-17

This explains the context ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

Jesus fulfills and thereby finishes the Law of Moses and its Sabbaths. John 19:28-30

28 After this, Jesus, [a]knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

The word Sabbath is not mention in this verse at all. Are you claiming at the death of Jesus Christ we no longer need to keep the greatest commandments to love Jesus with all our heart and love thy neighbor from the law of Moses or we can ignore all of the teachings of Jesus Christ despite Him telling us to live by His every Word Mat 4:4

No, what you are teaching is exactly what Jesus warned about Mat 5:19 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

Galatians 3:10-21
In contrast, those who rely on the works of the Law are under a curse, for it is written “Cursed is everyone who does not persevere in doing all the things that are written in the book of the Law.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the Law, for the one who is righteous will live by faith. 12 However, the Law is not based on faith. On the contrary, whoever does these things shall live by them.

13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse himself for us, as it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hung upon a tree.” 14 This is so that the blessing bestowed upon Abraham might be extended to the Gentiles through Jesus Christ so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 The Promise of the Covenant. Brethren, allow me to give you an everyday example. Once a human will has been ratified, no one can make further additions to it or set it aside. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and his descendant. It does not say “and to your descendants,” as referring to many, but it says “and to your descendant,” that is, to one person, who is Christ.

17 This is what I am saying: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, cannot invalidate a covenant that had been previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 Obviously, if the inheritance comes from the Law, it no longer comes from the promise. However, God bestowed it on Abraham through a promise.

19 The Purpose of the Law. Why then? It was added because of transgressions until the descendant (Jesus) appeared to whom the promise had been made, and it was promulgated by angels through an intermediary (Moses). 20 Now an intermediary is not necessary when there is only one party, and God is one.

Paul can be hard to understand. 2 Peter 3:16 The Sabbath is not mentioned in all of Galatians and the main law Paul keeps referring to throughout Galatians is circumcision Gal 2:3 written in the book of the law Gal 3:10. Paul never taught we can break any of God's commandments. Even if he did, do we obey man over God? Not what the apostles taught Acts 5:29 as if man can overwrite the Testimony of God. Its really a sad teaching and one that is leading people down the wrong path

Christians have been keeping Sunday, the Lord's Day, holy for about 2000 years and will continue to do this until Jesus' second coming. Revelation 1:10, Hebrews 10:23-31

There is no Scripture that says Sunday is the Lords Day.

God claimed His holy day, He wrote it He spoke it, He said it in clear Words. We can follow mans teaching or we can take the narrow path and believe God at His Word.


Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God.
Isa 58:13 "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the LORD honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

Mat 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

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Ironically, Scripture alone refutes your own doctrine of Scripture alone.

John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

1 Corinthians 11:2 I praise you because you remember me in everything and you maintain the traditions just as I handed them down to you.

Jesus founded a church with a hierarchical structure and he gave its leaders his authority on earth. Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 18:16-18, Matthew 28:18-20, Hebrews 13:7, Hebrews 13:17

1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

God is the head of His church and He said that His Word is the light to our path Psa 119:105 and going outside of it is danger Isa 8:20 Jesus said to live by His every Word Mat 4:4, not anyone else.

I guess this will all get sorted out soon enough once Jesus comes and I pray we will all be able to stand in His Glory. Once He returns all of our fates will be sealed Rev 22:11 and whoever we obey, is who we serve Rom 6:16 I know for me and my household, we will serve the Lord

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

 

[Jan001]

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Of course, Paul, a Jew, did go into the Jewish synagogues every Sabbath in order to preach to all the Jews and the Gentile converts to Judaism who were there. That is where Paul knew he could find them in a large group. The Synagogue was where the Books of Moses were read aloud to the practicing Jews every Sabbath. Acts 15:21

Acts 13:42-43 As they were leaving the synagogue, the people urged them to speak further on these subjects on the following Sabbath. 43 After the congregation had dispersed, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to remain faithful to the grace of God.

Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed in the synagogues. Practicing Jews did not fellowship or eat with uncircumcised Gentiles. Genesis 43:32, Exodus 12:48, John 4:9, Acts 16:1-3

 

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Of course, Paul, a Jew, did go into the Jewish synagogues every Sabbath in order to preach to all the Jews and the Gentile converts to Judaism who were there. That is where Paul knew he could find them in a large group. The Synagogue was where the Books of Moses were read aloud to the practicing Jews every Sabbath. Acts 15:21

Acts 13:42-43 As they were leaving the synagogue, the people urged them to speak further on these subjects on the following Sabbath. 43 After the congregation had dispersed, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to remain faithful to the grace of God.

Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed in the synagogues. Practicing Jews did not fellowship or eat with uncircumcised Gentiles. Genesis 43:32, Exodus 12:48, John 4:9, Acts 16:1-3

These verses do not say that's why there were keeping the Sabbath- again you are taking a lot of liberties than what the verses actually say.

The Gentiles were the ones begging for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath. If anything changed with one of God's commandments, they would have instead met the next day (Sunday) instead waiting for the next Sabbath.

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.


Jesus did away the physical circumcision at the Cross as a way to separate His people , we are circumcised in Christ grafted in through faith and are part of the promise Gal 3:26-29

Col 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Col 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
Col 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Why both Jews and Gentiles were keeping every Sabbath decades after the Cross, just as Jesus predicted His faithful would be doing Mat 24:20, because its a commandment of God and the example of Jesus Luke 4:16 who the apostles followed as should we. 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John 2:6

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

God's people keep God's commandments (His version) Exo 31:18 its best to let God be God and He define His own laws, which He did both written and spoken personally by God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Jan001]

There is no Scripture that says Sunday is the Lords Day.

There was no need for a specific Scripture. Everyone at that time knew that the Christians worshiped on Sundays. They were told this in person. It was a word-of-mouth tradition of Jesus' church.

I don't believe that God's NT Word/Gospel can be limited to only the words in a small book. I believe in all the traditions, both oral and written, that were handed down for 2000 years by his church's leaders.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.


You may continue to believe as you do.

 

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There was no need for a specific Scripture. Everyone at that time knew that the Christians worshiped on Sundays. They were told this in person. It was a word-of-mouth tradition of Jesus' church.

I don't believe that God's NT Word/Gospel can be limited to only the words in a small book. I believe in all the traditions, both oral and written, that were handed down for 2000 years by his church's leaders.

When Jesus was tempted by Satan, He used Scripture as His defense every time. Jesus is our example.

No wonder why we are told when someone says things like, there is no need for Scripture, we can believe man over God, this verse is our safeguard.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Pro 30:5
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

These are the characteristics of the church of Jesus Christ

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Sadly its just a remnant

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

When we think we can edit the Testimony of God, written by the finger of God, when God said He would not edit Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18-19 I do not believe that's a good spot to be in once He returns Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19. I guess all will get sorted out soon enough.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

They were speaking of traditions that we see from Scripture, not traditions of man leading people away from the Word of God. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

You may continue to believe as you do.

I didn't realize I needed permission to believe the way I do.

 

[Jan001]

These verses do not say that's why there were keeping the Sabbath- again you are taking a lot of liberties than what the verses actually say.

The Gentiles were the ones begging for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath. If anything changed with one of God's commandments, they would have instead met the next day (Sunday) instead waiting for the next Sabbath.

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Only known baptized converts to Christianity were allowed into Sunday worship services. Paul was not in the synagogues on Sundays. Paul was in the synagogues on Saturdays.

Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed into synagogues. Paul preached to the uncircumcised Gentiles after he came out of the synagogue on Saturdays.

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Which Greeks were in the synagogue? The devout, circumcised Greek converts to Judaism were in the synagogues every Sabbath.


Acts 13:42-43 As they were leaving the synagogue, the people urged them to speak further on these subjects on the following Sabbath. 43 After the congregation had dispersed, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to remain faithful to the grace of God.


Only the Gentile converts to Judaism were keeping the Sabbaths.

 

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Only known baptized converts to Christianity were allowed into Sunday worship services. Paul was not in the synagogues on Sundays. Paul was in the synagogues on Saturdays.

Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed into synagogues. Paul preached to the uncircumcised Gentiles after he came out of the synagogue on Saturdays.



Which Greeks were in the synagogue? The devout, circumcised Greek converts to Judaism were in the synagogues every Sabbath.


Acts 13:42-43 As they were leaving the synagogue, the people urged them to speak further on these subjects on the following Sabbath. 43 After the congregation had dispersed, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to remain faithful to the grace of God.

This was already addressed. You just repeated what you said previously without addressing my post, I think its the third or 4th time you have done this.

Only the Gentile converts to Judaism were keeping the Sabbaths.

No Scripture says this. Best not to add our own wishes into the holy word of God. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, no different than worshipping only God or not murdering our brethern. God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 the Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord. Exo 20:1-17 Exo 31:18 Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13

 

[Jan001]

When Jesus was tempted by Satan, He used Scripture as His defense every time. Jesus is our example.

No wonder why we are told when someone says things like, there is no need for Scripture, we can believe man over God, this verse is our safeguard.

I did not say that Scripture was irrelevant. I said it was a useful tool that his church uses to explain/teach the gospel of Jesus Christ. 2 Timothy 3:16

Jesus used OT Scripture as a tool, but he is actually the WORD OF GOD, and his command was for his apostles to teach/preach his gospel in person. Matthew 28:18-19

Jesus never commanded his apostles/disciples to write his gospel down and put it all into a book and then tell people to interpret it for themselves. Millions of people do this, though Peter warns against this practice.

2 Peter 3:16

 

[Jan001]

This was already addressed. You just repeated what you said previously without addressing my post, I think its the third or 4th time you have done this.

No Scripture says this. Best not to add our own wishes into the holy word of God. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, no different than worshipping only God or not murdering our brethern. God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 the Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord. Exo 20:1-17 Exo 31:18 Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13

Instructions to Gentile converts regarding the Law of Moses and the Sabbaths of the Jews:

Acts 15:28-30
Greetings.

24 It has come to our attention that some of our number, without having received any instructions from us, have upset you with their teachings and disturbed your peace of mind. 25 Therefore, we have decided unanimously to choose representatives and send them to you together with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have dedicated their lives to the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 And so we are sending Judas and Silas who will confirm these things by word of mouth.

28 It is the decision of the Holy Spirit and also our decision not to lay any further burden upon you beyond these essentials: 29 you are to abstain from food that has been sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of animals that have been strangled, and from unchastity. If you avoid these, you will be doing what is right.

Farewell.

Please note that keeping the Sabbath of the Jews is not one of the apostles' commands.


Paul warned the Gentile converts to Christianity to disregard the Judaizers who insisted that the Gentile converts keep the Sabbaths of the Jews.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore (Gentile Converts to Christianity), do not allow anyone (Judaizers) to pass judgment on you in regard to what you eat or drink, or about the observance of Festivals, New Moons, or Sabbaths.

Galatians 5:12 I wish that those who are confusing you would even castrate themselves!

 

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I did not say that Scripture was irrelevant. I said it was a useful tool that his church uses to explain/teach the gospel of Jesus Christ. 2 Timothy 3:16

When it came to one of God's commandments that He wrote and He spoke and it is His Testimony when you teach against this by promoting Sunday keeping, which you have stated repeatedly was kept every Sunday since Jesus Christ but when asked for Scripture this was your answer or where does it say Sunday is the Lords day in the Bible

There was no need for a specific Scripture.

Despite God's own Testimony on the day he claimed as His holy day, The holy day of the Lord and it was never the first day. Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 Mark 2:28 Exo 31:18 God only named and numbered one day, the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10 The Sabbath is the holy day of the Lord, i.e. the real Lords Day, thus saith the Lord.

Jesus used OT Scripture as a tool, but he is actually the WORD OF GOD, and his command was for his apostles to teach/preach his gospel in person. Matthew 28:18-19

Jesus used it more than a tool, He quoted from it saying man should live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4

Jesus never commanded his apostles/disciples to write his gospel down and put it all into a book and then tell people to interpret it for themselves. Millions of people do this, though Peter warns against this practice.

2 Peter 3:16

2 Peter 3:16 does not say

Jesus never commanded his apostles/disciples to write his gospel down and put it all into a book and then tell people to interpret it for themselves. Millions of people do this, though Peter warns against this practice.

You really take any Scripture and just reinterpret it.

Its hard to reason with this mindset, so I will leave it as agree to disagree.

Be well.

 

[Jan001]

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

They were speaking of traditions that we see from Scripture, not traditions of man leading people away from the Word of God. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

This is the Word of God regarding the necessity of the Law of Moses and its Sabbath laws for the Greek converts to Christianity:


Acts 15:28-30
Greetings.

24 It has come to our attention that some of our number (Pharisee Jews), without having received any instructions from us, have upset you with their teachings and disturbed your peace of mind. 25 Therefore, we have decided unanimously to choose representatives and send them to you together with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have dedicated their lives to the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 And so we are sending Judas and Silas who will confirm these things by word of mouth. Acts 15:5

28 It is the decision of the Holy Spirit and also our decision not to lay any further burden upon you beyond these essentials: 29 you are to abstain from food that has been sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of animals that have been strangled, and from unchastity. If you avoid these, you will be doing what is right.

Farewell.

Please note that keeping the Sabbath of the Jews is not one of the apostles' commands.



Paul warned the Gentile converts to Christianity to disregard the troublesome Judaizers who insisted that the Gentile converts keep the Sabbaths that were mandated for the practicing Jews. Acts 15:5

Colossians 2:16 Therefore (Gentile Converts to Christianity), do not allow anyone (Judaizers) to pass judgment on you in regard to what you eat or drink, or about the observance of Festivals, New Moons, or Sabbaths.

Galatians 5:12 I wish that those who are confusing you would even castrate themselves!

Ten Commandments and Law of Moses​

The Ten Commandments are a fundamental part of the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses is a comprehensive collection of laws, statutes, and ordinances given to the Israelites, and the Ten Commandments serve as its foundational principles. They were given alongside the broader Mosaic Law, which included ceremonial, civil, and moral regulations. The Ten Commandments are explicitly mentioned as part of the Law of Moses in various biblical passages, and the Apostle Paul referred to the Ten Commandments as part of "the Law". While the Ten Commandments are a subset of the larger Law of Moses, they are not separate from it; rather, they are a central component of the covenantal agreement between God and Israel. (generated by AI)​

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Romans 7:7-8, Romans 7:6​

Ephesians 2:15 he has abolished the Law with its commandments and ordinances, so that he might create in himself a single new person out of the two, thereby making peace,

 

[Jan001]

You really take any Scripture and just reinterpret it.

The pot calling the kettle black?

We do disagree, but I wish you the best of everything good.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The pot calling the kettle black?

If I have done this, please show me where. I do my best not to inset my own ideas into the Word of God. I take it seriously, so please show me an example of this if you are going to make this accusation.

I gave you examples of Scriptures you quoted and than your interpretation, multiple times which was not what the Scriptures said.

We do disagree, but I wish you the best of everything good.

As I to you as well. But I would really like you to address this post. You keep quoting Col 2:14-17 but yet not looked carefully at the context or addressed it.


The context...

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.
Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about

1. handwritten
2. ordinances
3. against and contrary to us

1. Was the Sabbath commandment "handwritten" ?

Lets look at what the Bible says
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Context doesn't fit- the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath commandment was written by the finger of God not "handwritten" which is what Moses wrote with his hand 2 Chr 33:8 Deut 31:24-26

2. ordinances

Lets look at the Testimony of God
Right in the Ten Commandments God wrote this about the Ten Commandments:
Exo 20:6 Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Context doesn't fit

3. Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:
Mat 2:27 The Sabbath was made for man
The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us as Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath certainly not against man. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, it’s not the definition of contrary and against. To try to make this passage fit to the weekly Sabbath that started at Creation, when everything was according to God's perfect plan that the Sabbath that is holy and blessed that God made to be "contrary and against mankind" is really an attack on the character of God. Calling something that is blessed and sanctified by God that is a sign we are God's people Eze 20:20 and a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 is "contrary and against" we have a warning about this very thing Isa 5:20

Context doesn't fit

So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the laws he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day Exo 20:10-11 "The" holy day of the Lord Is 58:13 as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings. Some of the annual feast days were also sabbaths, not to be confused with the weekly Sabbath commandment that started before the fall, the sabbath feast ordinances were given after the fall written by hand, in the law of Moses.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation.

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

There is so much more evidence I could provide like comparing what Jesus said which in using Col 2:14-16 against the Sabbath commandment and contradicts His teachings. Hopefully this will be looked at in prayer as I know this is a popular teaching, but the context does not fit the Sabbath commandment written by the finger of God that is part of God's holy and eternal law Mat 5:18-19 Isa 66:23 that God promised not to alter Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18-19.

Ephesians 2:15 he has abolished the Law with its commandments and ordinances, so that he might create in himself a single new person out of the two, thereby making peace,

This is a bad translation these are better word for word translations

New King James Version
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

New American Standard Bible
by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace;

NASB 1995
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

NASB 1977
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Its not referring to God's moral law, the Ten Commandments. Like there is ever a time we can worship other gods, vain His holy name, break God's holy Sabbath, murder, covert or break the least of these commandments thus saith the Lord Mat 5:19

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ten Commandments and Law of Moses​

The Ten Commandments are a fundamental part of the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses is a comprehensive collection of laws, statutes, and ordinances given to the Israelites, and the Ten Commandments serve as its foundational principles. They were given alongside the broader Mosaic Law, which included ceremonial, civil, and moral regulations. The Ten Commandments are explicitly mentioned as part of the Law of Moses in various biblical passages, and the Apostle Paul referred to the Ten Commandments as part of "the Law". While the Ten Commandments are a subset of the larger Law of Moses, they are not separate from it; rather, they are a central component of the covenantal agreement between God and Israel. (generated by AI)​

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You know AI is made by man? Still doesn’t change what God said who I will believe more than any man-made computer generated program.

God claimed the Ten Commandments are His, Moses is not God


Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exo 32:16 16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Jesus quoted from the Ten Commandments and called them the commandments of God, not the law of Moses

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother

The law of Moses of course includes the Ten Commandment because all of God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12

But the The Ten Commandments was written by God Himself, His own personal Testimony kept under His mercy seat in the Most Holy of His Temple as revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19. Every King has laws to govern, and God is no different. We can choose to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God or follow someone else. We all have to make these choices and live with the decisions we make Rev 22:11 I pray we all listen to the right voice.

 

[Jan001]

Paul can be hard to understand. 2 Peter 3:16 The Sabbath is not mentioned in all of Galatians and the main law Paul keeps referring to throughout Galatians is circumcision Gal 2:3 written in the book of the law Gal 3:10. Paul never taught we can break any of God's commandments. Even if he did, do we obey man over God? Not what the apostles taught Acts 5:29 as if man can overwrite the Testimony of God. Its really a sad teaching and one that is leading people down the wrong path

The Ten Commandments are definitely a part of the Law of Moses.

This is specifically shown to us in Romans. "You shall not covet," is the Tenth Commandment, and Paul includes it in the Law of Moses.

Romans 7:7-8 "What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "You shall not covet." But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead."

Ephesians 2:15 he (the Lord of the Sabbath) has abolished the Law with its commandments and ordinances, so that he might create in himself a single new person out of the two, thereby making peace, Mark 2:28

Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, abolished the Sabbath Laws.

I am a Christian, therefore I worship on Sunday, the Lord's Day, which is what he taught his followers to do before he ascended into heaven.

We've known this and practiced this command of Jesus for about 2000 years in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.


This following historical document also shows us that the Church has worshiped God on Sundays since Jesus' resurrection from the dead.

Justin Martyr FIRST APOLOGY, circa 153-155 A.D., CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS. ​

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And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He (Jesus) taught them these things, ​

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[Jan001]

You know AI is made by man? Still doesn’t change what God said who I will believe more than any computer generated program.

Please see my last post.