ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[FredVB]

No you're not being "clear over and over again". There are believers who choose not to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. I'm asking you will they not be saved because of this, and one thing that is very clear: you're refusing to answer. If someone was to ask me if believers choose to keep lying, or choose to keep murdering, will they not be saved because of this, I would give a one word answer: "Yes!" And I would provide the scripture using Christ’s own words to back it up. But you, nor any Sabbatarian, will give a simple one word answer to this question, for the reasons I already gave in a previous post.

I’d like to point out that I have no issue with believers observing the Sabbath. My only issue is when they push it on others as a requirement to be saved. I believe those who do so jeopardize their own salvation, something not to be desired upon anyone.

But I have told you. There is salvation just through Christ, and this with repentant faith to be restored to God. There are rules here to not even accuse others of not believing that, other than them saying that of themselves, then they do not belong here. And, no one is losing their salvation by anything they do, or do not do. But, when one cares about doing just the minimum thing for salvation and not doing anything else, I suspect that such is not really saved. That would not be from repentant faith to be restored to God, which they can be in Christ, and be secure with that. See, nothing about observing Sabbath is mentioned in that. So stop, already. There isn't anything you or any other can fail to do, and not be obedient to God in, that would lose your or their salvation. If you are indeed saved.

 

[Canuckster]

But I have told you. There is salvation just through Christ, and this with repentant faith to be restored to God. There are rules here to not even accuse others of not believing that, other than them saying that of themselves, then they do not belong here. And, no one is losing their salvation by anything they do, or do not do. But, when one cares about doing just the minimum thing for salvation and not doing anything else, I suspect that such is not really saved. That would not be from repentant faith to be restored to God, which they can be in Christ, and be secure with that. See, nothing about observing Sabbath is mentioned in that. So stop, already. There isn't anything you or any other can fail to do, and not be obedient to God in, that would lose your or their salvation. If you are indeed saved.

I didn't ask "Is salvation just through Christ?" Any simpleton can see you're all over the place just to avoid answering the question because it will expose your false doctrine regarding Sabbath observance. I will "stop, already".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God placed the Sabbath commandment in the same unit as only worship Him and thou shalt not murder.

After God spoke and wrote His personal Testimony Exo 31:18 the Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 He claimed this is what sin is

Exo 20:20 And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.

The same test of the Israelites in the wilderness is our same test. Psa 95:7-11, Heb 3:7-19, Eze 20:13 Heb 4:11

The Ten Commandments is the description of what sin is, even in the NT. 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Thou shalt not murder came with a death sentence as did breaking the Sabbath- Sin is sin to God and we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30 God came to save us from our sins. Mat 1:21 we need a full conversion in Him and in doing so, would one be rebelling against God's law which we are told is an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8 or would we be abiding in Him and following His example John 15:10 1 John 3:24 John 14:15-18 1 John 2:6

God said not keeping the Sabbath is doing evil Neh 13:17 Isa 56:2 and is really profaning God Eze 22:26 because He set aside this sacred time for us. He said keeping the Sabbath is what is doing justice and righteousness Isa 56:1-2 so I guess the choice is which of these things we want to do.

So if we are not allowing the God of the Bible to define what sin is and the consequences of sin Rom 6:23 I think we are really only deceiving ourselves.

No one is saved by keeping God's law- God's law is kept as a consequence of our salvation, not a means to it. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

 

[Canuckster]

God placed the Sabbath commandment in the same unit as only worship Him and thou shalt not murder.

After God spoke and wrote His personal Testimony Exo 31:18 the Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 He claimed this is what sin is

Exo 20:20 And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.

The same test of the Israelites in the wilderness is our same test. Psa 95:7-11, Heb 3:7-19, Eze 20:13 Heb 4:11

The Ten Commandments is the description of what sin is, even in the NT. 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Thou shalt not murder came with a death sentence as did breaking the Sabbath- Sin is sin to God and we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30 God came to save us from our sins. Mat 1:21 we need a full conversion in Him and in doing so, would one be rebelling against God's law which we are told is an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8 or would we be abiding in Him and following His example John 15:10 1 John 3:24 John 14:15-18 1 John 2:6

God said not keeping the Sabbath is doing evil Neh 13:17 Isa 56:2 and is really profaning God Eze 22:26 because He set aside this sacred time for us. He said keeping the Sabbath is what is doing justice and righteousness Isa 56:1-2 so I guess the choice is which of these things we want to do.

So if we are not allowing the God of the Bible to define what sin is and the consequences of sin Rom 6:23 I think we are really only deceiving ourselves.

No one is saved by keeping God's law- God's law is kept as a consequence of our salvation, not a means to it. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

So let me ask you: Will the billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, get punished by God like murderers, liars and thieves and get thrown into the Lake of Fire as a consequence? Try a short reply for a change like Yes or No.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So let me ask you: Will the billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, get punished by God like murderers, liars and thieves and get thrown into the Lake of Fire as a consequence? Try a short reply for a change like Yes or No.

Did God ever save anyone because they were the majority? What does the story of Noah teach us? Jesus said His Second Coming will be like the days of Noah. God's people has never been a majority but always a remnant Rev 12:17KJV

God does not treat the 4th commandment any different than He treats the 1st commandment or the 6th commandment- its all the same James 2:11-12 1 John 3:4 Mat 5:19-30

Will there be people in heaven that did not keep the Sabbath commandment. Only God can answer this question, but He tells us in times of ignorance He winks at us Acts 17:30, so I would say yes if they didn't know, or didn't have access to God's Word, but no one is going to be saved in our sins, not because I say so, its what God said.


Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

I personally do not understand the enmity against God's holy Sabbath day. God is just trying to spend time with us on the day He set aside from Creation that He sanctified for holy use Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can't do this ourselves Isa 66:17, we need God.

 

[Canuckster]

Did God ever save anyone because they were the majority? What does the story of Noah teach us? Jesus said His Second Coming will be like the days of Noah. God's people has never been a majority but always a remnant Rev 12:17KJV

God does not treat the 4th commandment any different than He treats the 1st commandment or the 6th commandment- its all the same James 2:11-12 1 John 3:4 Mat 5:19-30

Will there be people in heaven that did not keep the Sabbath commandment. Only God can answer this question, but He tells us in times of ignorance He winks at us Acts 17:30, so I would say yes if they didn't know, or didn't have access to God's Word, but no one is going to be saved in our sins, not because I say so, its what God said.


Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

I personally do not understand the enmity against God's holy Sabbath day. God is just trying to spend time with us on the day He set aside from Creation that He sanctified for holy use Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can't do this ourselves Isa 66:17, we need God.

So you teach that billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Yes or No.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So you teach that billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Yes or No.

Its not my teaching I am quoting Scripture. Can you point out in Scripture when the majority was ever right?

Jesus never told us to take the wide gate, He told us quite the opposite

Mat 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Mat 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[Canuckster]

Its not my teaching I am quoting Scripture. Can you point out in Scripture when the majority was ever right?

Jesus never told us to take the wide gate, He told us quite the opposite

Mat 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Mat 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Of course it's your teaching. You're teaching to others what you believe is taught in the bible. So let me ask you again: Do you teach that the bible teaches that billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire? Yes or No.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Of course it's your teaching. You're teaching to others what you believe is taught in the bible. So let me ask you again: Do you teach that the bible teaches that billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire? Yes or No.

No, quoting what the Scripture says and believing it, is not my teaching. The Bible interpets itself if we allow it to. I already gave your the Scriptures, its up to you if you choose to beleive them or not, that has nothing to do with me.

Be well.

 

[Canuckster]

No, quoting what the Scripture says and believing it, is not my teaching. The Bible interpets itself if we allow it to. I already gave your the Scriptures, its up to you if you choose to beleive them or not, that has nothing to do with me.

Be well.

Of course it's your teaching. It's like a teacher quoting from a textbook or from other scholars. If I teach that the Scripture says all liars will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, then that is what I teach from the Scripture. Christ used the Scripture also to teach.

You are teaching that the Scripture says billions of Christians will perish in a Lake of Fire because they don't rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. And I suppose you also teach that not only billions of Christians will perish, but the billions of people who never even heard of any requirement to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, they'll be thrown into the Lake of Fire as well.

 

[Canuckster]

Will there be people in heaven that did not keep the Sabbath commandment. Only God can answer this question, but He tells us in times of ignorance He winks at us Acts 17:30, so I would say yes if they didn't know, or didn't have access to God's Word, but no one is going to be saved in our sins, not because I say so, its what God said.

“He winks at us” in times of ignorance? Are you serious? So you would say “yes [they would be saved] if they didn’t know or didn’t have access to God’s word”.

So some of the billions of people who didn’t know about the Sabbath rest because "they didn’t know or didn’t have access to God’s word", God would “wink” at them and give them a pass but those who were told by 7th Day Adventists about the Sabbath rest and refused to observe it God would throw them into the Lake of Fire. What you’re actually saying is people would be better off not to go anywhere near 7th Day Adventists because if they don’t agree with their teachings about the Sabbath God will throw them into the Lake of Fire. Absurd!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

“He winks at us” in times of ignorance? Are you serious? So you would say “yes [they would be saved] if they didn’t know or didn’t have access to God’s word”.

So some of the billions of people who didn’t know about the Sabbath rest because "they didn’t know or didn’t have access to God’s word", God would “wink” at them and give them a pass but those who were told by 7th Day Adventists about the Sabbath rest and refused to observe it God would throw them into the Lake of Fire. What you’re actually saying is people would be better off not to go anywhere near 7th Day Adventists because if they don’t agree with their teachings about the Sabbath God will throw them into the Lake of Fire. Absurd!

I can only go by what the Scripture says- it doesn't specifically say He winks at not keeping the Sabbath, you keep isolating the Sabbath as if it is a standalone commandment when God didn't. God placed the Sabbath in the same unit as only worshipping Him and not murdering our brethren. Deut 4:13 Exo 20:1-17 Exo 20:6. I would like to believe that sincere Christians especially in the dark ages when the Word of God was not available that God will have a righteous judgement. He is also clear once we know what sin is and go away from it or cover our sins, what happens Heb 10:26-30. I do not believe God's judges us by the most popular doctrine. He tells us He judges us from the Ten Commandments James 2:11-13 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 because it is the description of what sin is 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 and it is God's standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 as we are not judged based on our righteousness. It's why we see the Ten Commandments revealed in heaven at the last trumpet right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19


I am going to trust His judgement is fair, but never in all of Scripture was it shown the majority were saved. The wilderness experience should tell us that, the majority of them fell and never entered their promise land of rest, many of them are just like we see today rebelling against the Sabbath and God's law Eze 20:13 and why we are told not to follow in their path of disobedience, sin and rebellion Heb 3:12-19 Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11

I am not in a position to judge one of God's commandments. Jesus said quoting OT to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 God commanded us to keep the Sabbath day holy, just like He commanded to only worship Him and not steal from my neighbor. God never called the Ten Commandments as the Ten suggestions or that they were multiple choice. I believe what He asks is because He knows what is best for us, even if the majority has gone away from His own Testimony. He said it would be a remnant who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony and faith of Jesus. Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12. We all have choices to follow what everyone else is doing, just like those in Scripture, it was never the majority who followed and believed Jesus.

 

[Leaf473]

God also placed the Sabbath in the context of the sacrificial system

On the Sabbath day, present two unblemished year-old male lambs, accompanied by a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, as well as a drink offering Numbers 28

May my prayer come before you like incense
may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice Psalm 141

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11- no sacrifices. No sacrifices in the Ten Commandments or in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:1-17. No sacrifices when keeping the Sabbath in the NT by Jesus or the apostles no sacrifices on the Sabbath in the new heaven and new earth, just God's people gathering around Him for worship Isa 66:23

Sacrifices was the OT prescription for sin, which were done daily even on the Sabbath because people sinned daily.

 

[Leaf473]

When the Sabbath day is talked about in creation, neither sacrifice nor commandment are mentioned

When the Sabbath commandment is given, it is given in the context of the whole block

I will never again cause the feet of the Israelites to wander from the land that I gave to their fathers, if only they are careful to do all I have commanded them—the whole Law that My servant Moses commanded them 2 kings 21

 

[Leaf473]

Now if you stray unintentionally and do not obey all these commandments that the Lord has spoken to Moses—
all that the Lord has commanded you through Moses from the day the Lord gave them and continuing through the generations to come Numbers 15

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When the Ten Commandments was given it was under the context of the Ten Commandments thus saith the Lord.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

I love how the Bible explains Itself if we allow it to. While in Genesis there is no mention of the Sabbath commandment - but God revealed this in the Ten Commandments that the Sabbath started at Creation. When God created the Sabbath at Creation, it was before the fall of man, before sin so no need for animal sacrifices.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Regardless where we see the seventh day in Scripture, we know its God's Sabbath day because God said so.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD

We can of course choose not believe God's own Testimony Exo 31:18, its all about faith and choices.

 

[Leaf473]

"This is what the Lord says" occurs in lots of different places

So Moses declared, “This is what the Lord says: ‘About midnight I will go throughout Egypt,
and every firstborn son in the land of Egypt will die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sits on his throne, to the firstborn of the servant girl behind the hand mill, as well as the firstborn of all the cattle Exodus 11

Then a man of God came to Eli and told him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Did I not clearly reveal Myself to your father’s house when they were in Egypt under Pharaoh’s house?
And out of all the tribes I selected your father to be My priest, to offer sacrifices on My altar, to burn incense, and to wear an ephod in My presence. I also gave to the house of your father all the offerings of the Israelites made by fire
Why then do you kick at My sacrifice and offering that I have prescribed for My dwelling place? You have honored your sons more than Me by fattening yourselves with the best of all the offerings of My people Israel.’
Therefore, the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I didindeed say that your house and the house of your father would walk before Me forever. But now the Lord declares: Far be it from Me! For I will honor those who honor Me, but those who despise Me will be disdained.
Behold, the days are coming when I will cut off your strength and the strength of your father’s house, so that no older man will be left in your house
You will see distress in My dwelling place. Despite all that is good in Israel, no one in your house will ever again reach old age 1 Samuel 2

 

[Leaf473]

This occured after Jesus' death obviously, which is when the false teachers claim the law was done away. They say the law was "nailed to the cross", but His disciples obviously didn't believe that, as we see here, they "rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment"

The disciples may not have understood what was nailed to the cross a few hours after Jesus died

 

[Canuckster]

I can only go by what the Scripture says- it doesn't specifically say He winks at not keeping the Sabbath, you keep isolating the Sabbath as if it is a standalone commandment when God didn't. God placed the Sabbath in the same unit as only worshipping Him and not murdering our brethren. Deut 4:13 Exo 20:1-17 Exo 20:6. I would like to believe that sincere Christians especially in the dark ages when the Word of God was not available that God will have a righteous judgement. He is also clear once we know what sin is and go away from it or cover our sins, what happens Heb 10:26-30. I do not believe God's judges us by the most popular doctrine. He tells us He judges us from the Ten Commandments James 2:11-13 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 because it is the description of what sin is 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 and it is God's standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 as we are not judged based on our righteousness. It's why we see the Ten Commandments revealed in heaven at the last trumpet right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19


I am going to trust His judgement is fair, but never in all of Scripture was it shown the majority were saved. The wilderness experience should tell us that, the majority of them fell and never entered their promise land of rest, many of them are just like we see today rebelling against the Sabbath and God's law Eze 20:13 and why we are told not to follow in their path of disobedience, sin and rebellion Heb 3:12-19 Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11

I am not in a position to judge one of God's commandments. Jesus said quoting OT to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 God commanded us to keep the Sabbath day holy, just like He commanded to only worship Him and not steal from my neighbor. God never called the Ten Commandments as the Ten suggestions or that they were multiple choice. I believe what He asks is because He knows what is best for us, even if the majority has gone away from His own Testimony. He said it would be a remnant who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony and faith of Jesus. Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12. We all have choices to follow what everyone else is doing, just like those in Scripture, it was never the majority who followed and believed Jesus.

again... stop your copy/paste text flooding which only takes you a short amount of time relative to those that have to take the time to properly respond. Show some respect for people's time. Many people have jobs, chores, look after relatives or the infirmed, or even have ailments themselves to deal with.... on top of all the other posts they'd like to review. They can't spend hours for each one of your posts looking up 30 - 40 scriptures and effectively responding to each one, only to have you reply with a copy/paste of another 30 - 40 scriptures to look up and reply to. If you can't share your truth with a couple of scriptures and 2 or 3 paragraphs of explanation it's because you don't have any truth and deploy the tactic of exhausting your opponents with text flooding... a sinister practice that's not included in your 10 commandments.