ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[FredVB]

What’s your point?


I gave you the scriptures from the law about the required sabbath commandments of that day.


Do you believe the Church is required to observe this commandments?


Here they are again.



Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30





And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15




Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36


‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10


Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

I do not. They were imposed on the early Israelites there who had come out of Egypt and were the most stubborn. In the time of grace with the gospel open to the gentiles we do not observe those things which are not after all in the ten commandments. But why dismiss the commandments too?

God has a reason for creating His Sabbath for men. In part, it is to remind them that we are preparing in this life, for what comes after we die. Preparing food during the week, to partake of on Saturday is a perfectly reasonable and good way to keep our mind focused on what is important.

Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

satan is against God's Sabbath for this very reason and uses religion to turn people away from HIS instruction, and towards worldly religious philosophies of men who despise and pollute God's Sabbaths.

For those who believe in the Christ of the Bible, who created all things including the Sabbath, they see what Isaiah is talking about.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

For those "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but live in lawlessness, they can not understand because we are saved by "Faith/belief", and they don't believe the Word's of the Christ.



In your attempt to convince others to reject and pollute God's Sabbath, you choose to cherry pick scriptures in order to shed a bad light on God's Commandment you have Judged as unworthy of your respect. It is a popular religious tactic, and effective for those who do not put on the "Armor of God".

But if you were being honest, you would also present these scriptures.

Ex. 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

Ex. 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Ex. 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Ex. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

So I would ask you the question, "Do you believe the true Church of the Christ should lay with beasts? Smite their father? Kill other men? Steal men and sell them?

So why do you place yourself as a Judge of God's instructions? And more importantly, are you His Judge? Am I to listen to you and your judgments? Or should I "beware" of your religious philosophy and place my Faith in the Christ of the Bible?

I know you are simply furthering the teaching of modern, popular religions of this land. I am hoping you might consider all the warnings God and His Son gave you, specifically regarding religious men who call Jesus "Christ".




"The wages of sin is death."

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

How did Paul know what sin was? How did the Commandment come? Was it not through Moses and Joshua, and the Prophets? And did they all not all Spiritually stone Paul to death?

This is why I posted the Word's of Jesus instructing you to eat His Blood, without which no man shall be saved. Where did you find His Blood and Flesh to eat? Of course it is Spiritual, and you are fine with that, until God's Laws and Sabbath become the topic. Then you are not so willing to accept the Congregation stoning a man with "stones" is the same Spiritual language this same Christ used when HE instructed you to eat His Flesh.

It would make for a fascinating discussion, but you are here on a Jihad against God's Holy Sabbath, so sadly, no real discussion will be had.



You do know that the Lamb of God has come, Yes? You do know that the Levitical Priesthood was a temporary Covenant God made with Levi "because of transgressions", Till the Seed should come, Yes?

So why would I still be advocating the Sacrificial "works of the Law" of atonement of the Order of Aaron, when Jesus is my High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek?

So then for this reason, in God's True Church, unblemished Lambs are no longer sacrificed on God's Holy Sabbaths.

But we still don't kill folks, we still don't steal, and we still remember to Keep God's Sabbath Holy. At least Jesus and His Disciples did.

Do i believe i can Judge some of God's 10 Commandments as irrelevant and unworthy of my respect? NO! I don't. God created His Sabbath for my sake, no doubt. He had a reason to create it for me, just as HE had a reason for creating the Law " Thou shall not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the grain", or "Thou shall not kill".

I know the reason because I placed my Faith in Him and HIS Righteousness, and didn't listen to all the "other" religious voices in the garden, who do Judge God and some of His Laws.

For these reasons, I choose not to Judge God's Sabbath as unworthy of my respect.

The only lamb who is killed for us is Jesus who came for the atonement meant for us. We do not need to contribute to Any killing with our choices, observing anything, now. Sabbath is still made for man, as Jesus said, not man made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is to benefit us, that we draw toward God and not have work which distracts from that, anything secular or profane.

It is indeed Sabbath every seven days, observed jointly in community, and others observing it would not have some other day observed as the seventh, every seventh day for Sabbath is still in the ten commandments. Early Christian believers observed it too and at the earliest with the apostles there they gathered joining the Jewish congregation at the temple or in synagogues that were around.

 

[Studyman]

I do not. They were imposed on the early Israelites there who had come out of Egypt and were the most stubborn. In the time of grace with the gospel open to the gentiles we do not observe those things which are not after all in the ten commandments. But why dismiss the commandments too?

The only lamb who is killed for us is Jesus who came for the atonement meant for us. We do not need to contribute to Any killing with our choices, observing anything, now. Sabbath is still made for man, as Jesus said, not man made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is to benefit us, that we draw toward God and not have work which distracts from that, anything secular or profane.

It is indeed Sabbath every seven days, observed jointly in community, and others observing it would not have some other day observed as the seventh, every seventh day for Sabbath is still in the ten commandments. Early Christian believers observed it too and at the earliest with the apostles there they gathered joining the Jewish congregation at the temple or in synagogues that were around.

I think it's important to acknowledge that the reason why Jesus instructed the multitudes and Apostles to "hear the Pharisees and the Scribes" on the Sabbaths, is to hear Moses, not the Pharisees. He seemed pretty convincing to me that the Pharisees were not teaching the Truth about God, but Moses was. The Bible foretold of a time when the Priesthood would vanish, and we would all have God's Word in our hearts. And I don't think anyone can deny that we all have the Oracles of God in our own Homes, and therefore, "WE" now sit in Moses seat. And now "WE" can "Hear Moses and the Prophets" as Jesus instructed, without the the filter of a religion "Who professed to know God, but lived in disobedience to HIM.

After all, Jesus did say, "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[BobRyan]

What’s your point?

I gave you the scriptures from the law about the required sabbath commandments of that day.

Do you believe the Church is required to observe this commandments?

Here they are again.

Ex 16 -- BEFORE the TEN Commandments spoken at Sinai
WHILE Israel is in the dessert and under a Theocracy

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

So if you were there in Ex 16 - you would live in rebellion at that point in Ex 16 or you would accept God's Word at that point?

Mark 2:27 according to Christ "Sabbath was made FOR Mankind"

Matt 4 "Mankind shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

Both the Sabbath and mankind were made in Gen 1-2;3 and Ex 20;11 points directly at Gen 2;1-3 as the origin, scope and authority for the Sabbath

Is 66:23 declares that for all eternity after the cross - in the NEW Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

 

[BobRyan]

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10


Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

1. No animal sacrifices in Gen 2:1-3 when the Sabbath was made as a holy day
2. No animal sacrifices in the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 where vs 11 points right at Gen 2:1-3 - without animal sacrifices
3. No animal sacrifices in Is 66 :23 where we are told that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship
4. No Animal sacrifices after the cross according to Heb 10:4-12

 

[FredVB]

"Animals were made to be our food". Not quite said in the Bible. The one thing God said was very good has Genesis 1:29 included in it, this is God's will, and God does not change. How many species of animals are there? They say over seven million. How many species do you eat from? Again, animals were made to be our food is not said in the Bible. Changes later from what God said to start with are accommodating human fallenness with their stubbornness and hard hearts. But God cares for animals, as their Creator. If you were right that they are made to be your food, you would be eating most of those species. But just how many species do you use for food?

The Bible shows the design for us, and Adam cared for the animals, and was the steward God meant him to be. Proverbs 12:10. Sacrifices which were done to animals God cared for were not to continue, they only had use to point out the need for Christ who came for the atonement that was needed.

Sabbath is just about rest from secular work in the world for coming to God more. This is what God provided for all of us.

 

[FredVB]

Jesus saying the Sabbath is made for man, meaning anyone, was showing it is for our benefit, so Jesus does not mean there are legal requirements that would be a burden. No animals have to be sacrificed, or other specific things being done, but real rest is in it for us, with being in Christ, in whom there is fulfillment. This fulfillment means there is no judgment to us who are in Christ, but that does not do away with Sabbath or any commandments, which show what God's will is for us, and it shows anything we need to repent from, as we are not to keep sinning.

 

[FredVB]

There are those who say the commandment is for you to have a day of rest every seven days, whichever day it is that works for you. But the commandment is not saying that. God meant there to be a corporate day of rest for all, that those in community would share, and that day God said is holy. So it could not be another day some others observe, there is the one seventh day of the week, for all. Nothing changed that in the Bible.

 

[Canuckster]

There are those who say the commandment is for you to have a day of rest every seven days, whichever day it is that works for you. But the commandment is not saying that. God meant there to be a corporate day of rest for all, that those in community would share, and that day God said is holy. So it could not be another day some others observe, there is the one seventh day of the week, for all. Nothing changed that in the Bible.

So what do you think happens to those who don't rest on the seventh day, do they get thrown into the Lake of Fire?

 

[FredVB]

So what do you think happens to those who don't rest on the seventh day, do they get thrown into the Lake of Fire?

How do you conclude I would possibly be thinking that? Have I not mentioned grace from God? But God's will is greater than what God permits to us.

 

[Canuckster]

How do you conclude I would possibly be thinking that? Have I not mentioned grace from God? But God's will is greater than what God permits to us.

So according to your teaching those who chose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset may receive grace and not be thrown into the Lake of Fire