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Appealing To His Base?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by mark46, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. cow451

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    Are right wing elitists better? :scratch:
     
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  2. cow451

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    You might want to switch to a straw ‘cause you go some red stuff dribbling down your chin.
     
  3. Rion

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    No, which why people generally don't like them either.
     
  4. Albion

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    That's a worthy analysis, but one fact needs to be understood, even if it sends chills up the spine of most people.

    IF the electoral vote count had been as close as some of these "could have beens" that you outlined, the Democrats would probably have been able to steal the election. As it was, several electors in Texas defected while three or four Democrats threw their votes away in a symbolic gesture they never would have done if the count had been close. Recounts were started in three states, but you can believe that a dozen more would have been contenders if the margin were only a handful of (electoral votes). As it was, Republican electors were harassed and received death threats. I have no doubt that there would have been plans to waylay a few of them on the appointed day in order to keep them from getting to the state capitol(s). Many court challenges would have been filed. And that would have been only the start of it. But because the margin was as big as it was, the effort was muted.

    Importantly, however, the general approach has not gone away. That's why I said that the Democrats will spring back into high gear with several proposals for ending free elections IF they gain control of the rest of the electoral machinery in the future--Congress and, with it, a few more Supreme Court appointments, plus the Presidency. When that happens, watch out.
     
  5. Albion

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    Sure, and Obama used almost the identical term to describe another African nation.

    I don't recall a single poster here uttering a peep about it being undiplomatic, unpresidential, disgusting, or any of the rest of the characterizations that we're read on this thread with regard to Trump.
     
  6. HereIStand

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    The way that I would approach immigration from poorer countries is that people can come if individuals, churches, or charities can sponsor them. In other words, I see a need to separate individual compassion from government policy. Our government doesn't have emotions, unless we adopt a theoretical construct of the state as an individual.
     
  7. cow451

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    True, the Trump campaign would have thrown millions of dollars into legal challenges, as would Clinton had the margins been closer.
     
  8. Enfeoffment75

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    He needs to remember he represents the most powerful, richest nation on earth. He is blasting innocent people for no reason other than personal pique.

    That isn't my America. Yes he should care about Americans, but that isn't done at the expense of anyone else for no good reason.

    You should really try to learn what a non sequitur actually is. And it is not unfair to suggest that calling someone else's country a ____-hole is dark.

    The fact that his base is attracted to this kind of thing (per your suggestion) is even worse. And no surprise. We were treated to a solid year of dog-whistle politics.
     
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  9. Albion

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    The quote was the following:

    --not simply that his alleged comment was dark. You may get an 'A' for effort, but not for accuracy.
     
  10. Gadarene

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    Except when they vote for them and give them more money while complaining about elitists.
     
  11. super animator

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    Yet, Trump is a prime example of one, as they are coned by the Donald.
     
  12. Rion

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    Most populists are elitists. I thought that was sort of given. The difference is that populists tend to either be political outsiders, or paint themselves as such during their run.
     
  13. Think like Christ

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    I thought immigrants were only prohibited from running for POTUS. Once an immigrant becomes a citizen, can't they run for any other office?

    Anyone? I certainly wouldn't label someone a racist simply for arguing against the system. That would be ridiculous. I would, however, call someone a racist if they were using racist rhetoric during the argument. If it sounds like a duck, swims like a duck, and looks like a duck, I'm going to believe it's a duck.
     
  14. Think like Christ

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    No, Trump's insults are often direct at particular groups of people who don't happen to have white skin.

    For instance, Trump's comments about Puerto Ricans after their territory was devastated by the Hurricane, or his comments about Mexicans coming to the USA being rapists or murders, or Trump's statement that almost every country with blacks is a <Language prohibited on this website>.
     
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  15. Enfeoffment75

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    So you think it was a good thing for him to say out loud? Just curious.
     
  16. Colter

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    Ted Kennedy immigration bill 1965:


    Obama obliquely referred to Kennedy’s role in pushing his influential political accomplishment: The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

    “Towards the end of his life, Ted reflected on how Congress has changed over time. And those who served earlier I think have those same conversations. It’s a more diverse, more accurate reflection of America than it used to be, and that is a grand thing, a great achievement,” Obama said.

    In this case, Obama is right: It’s worth reflecting on how much America has changed since 1965, and examine the effects of the legislation Kennedy promoted that brought it about.

    The passage of the act marked a fundamental change in America’s immigration policy: Rather than serving the interests of Americans and national unity by setting limits on immigration, the act put “family unification” as the top priority, serving the interests of foreigners first.

    Kennedy declared:

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    “First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same…

    Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset… Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia…

    In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think… The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.”

    How have Kennedy’s promises stood up to the passage of time
     
  17. HereIStand

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    Yes, immigrants can ran for any office as citizens, except the presidency. My point is that those at top rung of social ladder have to compete with immigrants for blue collar work in construction and elsewhere. Meanwhile, the left establishment in the press, academia, and politics is insulated from the problems their advocacy and policy created. As is pointed out in the Devil's Pleasure Place, our modern left is akin to the old Soviets, who shopped in nice stores, lived in nice apartments, while the mass of the Soviet working class stood in line for food and lived in leaky apartments.

    It's important to go beyond isolated statements made my individuals. Even there, people may use racist talk, as of some my older relatives did (or do), but not really have hatred toward other races. Trump is known to have opened his country club in Florida to Jews, blacks and so on. I don't think he's racist. He talks like where he is from though, NYC.
     
  18. Think like Christ

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    Um, yeah. Wow.
     
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  19. Think like Christ

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    So they make racist comments, but they aren't "really" racists. Well obviously no evidence I can produce is going to convince you of anything.
     
  20. HereIStand

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    Glad we agree.
     
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