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Appealing To His Base?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by mark46, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. Ygrene Imref

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    Holding your nose and taking it, and just doing your job, is often time much worse than those who are the oppression. When everyone else is GONE, no one will be there to help those who claim not to be his base, but also support his policies. You can' separate character from policy, because it is the character that drives policy in the first place.

    I often times find people like that much more reprehensible than those who will just qdmit, "I am prejudiced against [insert here], and I also support Trump. There is no shame for me."

    Someone admitting that - especially those who think they are actually as slick as their words sound to them - Would be a positive step. But, I feel something against people who ride the fence while people are literally dying.
     
  2. HereIStand

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    Trump did object to foreign programmers replacing American programmers at Disney. His point otherwise is that if immigrants are let in, then they should be able to support themselves. Contrary to popular belief on the left, Trump doesn't care about race. Nor do we need another conversation about race. Keeping the topic in the news is a good tactic for the left to divide and conquer the voting base though.
     
  3. mark46

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    I do disagree.

    For many Republicans (and Democrats), what is important is the changes in law, not the words of the president. What is important is the nomination of judges, what is included in the tax cut, any healthcare rules or legislation, details of the DACA deal, and the details of the CR to be passed next week. Obviously many other regulations and laws matter (where will drilling be allowed?). Finally, the 2018 elections matter. In the end, Trump words are low on the list of importance for Americans.

    And yes, I would feel differently if I were a citizen or leader in an African country. Trump's ignorance apparently know little bounds.

    I know that Trump is a racist. I also know that the was elected by the people, and that elections have consequences.

     
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  4. mark46

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    When one prefers those from Norway to those from Nigeria, the issue is race. Africans (and Nigerians in particular) are among the most educated of immigrants coming into the US.
     
  5. HereIStand

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    For Trump, it has to do with economics, not race. If Nigerians can support themselves, then it shouldn't be a problem having them here.
     
  6. JGG

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    I don't think Americans want their neighborhoods 'flooded' with anything.
     
  7. Larnievc

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    Yes it does. Have you missed the rise of the far right in Europe due to issues around immigration?
     
  8. RocksInMyHead

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    Is there any evidence that they can't?
     
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  9. cow451

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    What about.....? Nice to see the “attempt” to catch yourself......:ebil:
     
  10. HereIStand

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    I don't know. This is the first that I've heard about how better educated they are in than the average Trump voter.
     
  11. Rion

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    I'm just saying... "Surely if I keep insulting these people, they will vote for my guy in 2020" is a really bad strategy.
     
  12. Ygrene Imref

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    Let's assume Trump was only prejudiced, instead of racist.

    His appointments to the SCOTUS, his cabinet members, his advisers, his speakers and handlers - these will all be influenced by the prejudice of Trump even to the point of sharing his views completely. That means it will trickle down hill: go into systemic issues, social and economic issues, political issues and ultimately a possible skirmish. If the foundation is backed by prejudice and racism, then there is definitely a problem with holding your nose and supporting only his actions. You are passively approving everything done.


    No one likes those people who say, "I was just doing my job." History has shown that mentality gets entire populations killed through that passive mindset. If you know what is going on and you look the other way, you are ignorant at best, and complacent in general.
     
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  13. RocksInMyHead

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    If you're going to rail against immigrants while saying that they're welcome if they can support themselves, but have no evidence that the immigrants you're railing against are in fact unable to support themselves, perhaps you might want to take a step back and do some research.
     
  14. Basil the Great

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    The base is probably shrinking, though not as much as some would like. However, hang in there friends, for we have not seen the last of 2018 yet. It is only mid-January.....
     
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  15. Albion

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    Not by a longshot. If Norway and Nigeria were identical in all other respects, you might have a point, but the president was apparently saying that they are not (which is obviously true). In addition, he is not saying that Africa is the place we need to be cautious about. There are other problem states, and their residents are racially unlike the Nigerians.

    Besides, we all know that he was being gracious to his guest from Norway. We don't actually long to have more immigration from that country.
     
  16. Enfeoffment75

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    This is a very good point but misses a bigger point: as leader of the free world and leader of one of the countries that has benefitted immensely from global immigration regardless of source, the President should NEVER EVER EVER say ANYTHING even remotely like that!

    I was troubled when I heard it, not because I think Haiti is a great place, it's not. Places like that are severely broken. Many sub-Saharan African nations are also horribly broken and certainly in those cases it is the wealthy West that helped do that when these countries were (often brutally) colonized by European powers in the 19th century and before.

    The President of the US can have an opinion on the "quality" of various countries but he HAS to remember that there are ways to say things that make it more obvious we are a caring nation.

    I would never vacation in Haiti or Nigeria or Niger etc. But that doesn't mean the people are somehow "bad", it means that we as the wealthiest nation on earth should work to make these places BETTER, not denigrate them with foul language.

    Trump stood in judgement and execution of these countries. In doing so he revealed a stunning lack of compassion and an even more stunning lack of knowledge of world history.

    Trump showed a darkness in his soul that few would find virtuous to reveal, even if they had it in there to some extent. It certainly does nothing GOOD in the world.
     
  17. Albion

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    People forget that the president is running a nation, not a Salvation Army soup kitchen. He has a responsibility to see that the United States prospers, is protected from enemies, and is just. He is not supposed to discriminate against Americans because he has a soft heart for everyone in the rest of the world who admittedly would be better off they were here on our welfare rolls, treated for free in our emergency rooms, getting free education for their children although they have paid no school taxes, and so on.

    And THAT is the kind of non-sequitur that is most unfair of all, but which does keep his base loyal. That base does notice the difference between a simple policy disagreement and vengefulness on the part of those who wanted the other candidate to win the November, 2016 election.
     
  18. cow451

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    Hillary won the popular vote! Oh, wait. Dang. Why didn’t that work out?:preach:
     
  19. Albion

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    They know how the electoral system works. They just don't like it. But they will love the system if a Republican wins the popular vote some day but loses the Electoral College vote.

    They are, as we know, laying plans to make that impossible in the future, however.
     
  20. cow451

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    Both parties strategize based on demographics, voting, trends , etc. The winner on a close race loves the Electoral College, the loser hates it. It’s silly to pretend either party has some noble belief in any strategy but the one that works.
     
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