Anyone have a brief overview of what is to come?

[Petros2015]

They form the new nation of Beulah.

Interesting, I had never heard that before.

 

[Petros2015]

What are we to expect in the Future?

Our daily bread.

 

[Seville90210]

We await on the Messiah to be born in earth again.

Sorry bud, I don't think Mary is coming down from heaven to do that all over again.

 

[BobRyan]

We await on the Messiah to be born in earth again. He must to finish the rest of the Messiah prophecies in the book of Isaiah. Him being born again was foretold in revelations, and Jesus also said speaking of Himself that He would send a Helper.

Revelation is not predicting the birth of Jesus in Rev 12 - it is drawing a sequence - starting with Israel before the birth of Christ then going to the time of Christ, his ascension into heaven, the 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints that followed ... All of those Rev 12 events are "history" for the modern day reader.

All the events predicted in the OT happened in Christ's day or apply to the church age if they are events being predicted after the coming of Christ.

Nothing in the OT says the Messiah would be "born twice" on Earth.

 

[Petros2015]

The Catholics started persecuting Christians very soon after Constantine combined paganism and christianity.

Constantine didn't combine paganism and Christianity...

Christian sects in his empire were fighting over whether Jesus was a created being or part of the Trinity.

He wanted them to knock that off, so he called a council of all the bishops to sort it out once and for all.

The creeds came out of those councils.

On the CF Statement of Faith Terms of Service and Christian Forum Rules | Christian Forums

Those councils are literally where that Creed comes from.

I'm not sure where you got your information from, but please recheck and verify vs. multiple independent sources.

Nicene Creed - Wikipedia

The Nicene Creed (as posted on CF)
We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

 

[Erik Nelson]

According to the book Jewish Roots (ch 5) by Daniel Juster, Jewish Rabbis hold that every generation must have 30 righteous men to stave off God's Judgement unto Wrath. I presume the reference is to Sodom & Gomorrah.

hypothesis:
If earth becomes "Sodom & Gomorrah world" with an insufficient "quota" of righteous people upon the planet...

Then God in heaven will "pull the trigger" and flame earth with "fire from heaven" (Revelation 20:9) boiling away earth's oceans (2 Peter 3:10), perhaps turning earth's surface into a molten lava "lake of fire" (guess), and initiating Final Judgement Day... (?)

 

[Douggg]

On the contrary - that 1260 day-for-year period known as the "dark ages" is over. In Rev 13 we have the first coming of Christ - followed by his ascension into heaven, followed by 1260 years of the dark ages.

All of which have ended.

It is 70 weeks of years. The 70th week is 7 years. That 7 years is comprised of periods referred to as 1260 days, 42 months, time times half time, and 3 1/2 days.

The 1260 days is not 1260 years. You are going in the wrong direction. 70 weeks of years - not the reverse - days into years.

In Revelation 13, the 42 months is the timeframe that the person as the beast rules the world, and the great tribulation is taking place. I don't where in Revelation 13, you are seeing the first coming of Christ.

 

[Douggg]

You have a problem, the EU is more than ten nations. The EU is not making war anywhere, that’s the US doing that. And Russia has no interest in Israel. I’ve heard this old chestnut for 40 years.....any day now....for decades. It’s over and done.

It is not ten kings of ten nations. It is ten kings - leaders. It does not have to be ten leaders - each of an individual nation.

It is likely that the EU will have ten representative districts - metric system - which is based on ten toes, ten fingers (thumbs) on the hand. Some districts would have one country, others two or three - in order to more equalize the population representation.

Parable of the fig tree, puts a ceiling the length of a generation onto 1967, Jerusalem the fig tree. 1967 + 70 = 2037 minus 7 years = 2030 beginning of the 70th week, at the latest.

But one has to ask, what kind of person WANTS to suffering and evil to come to their world?? Is this a good heart that longs for these days???

Futurists are not wishing suffering and evil upon the world. That's a mis-characterization. You are making an advertising campaign for the preterist view.

God is the One Who is putting an end to Satan's kingdom overshadowing the world. To bring in everlasting righteousness to complete the 70 weeks. That is what will be taking place during the 70th week - the prosecution of Satan and his angels.

Babylon is fallen, is fallen! That is what is going to be said during that day. That's not what has happened yet, but it is going to happen. And that day is nearly here.

 

[keras]

Interesting, I had never heard that before.

The new nation of Beulah is in your Bible, but like most of the end time prophesies, they are ignored and false teachings and fables are promoted.
Read Isaiah 62:1-5, with the mindset that we Christians ARE the people of God, the ones He takes delight in.
WE are the great multitude that John sees in Jerusalem soon after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed the holy Land. Revelation 7:9-14
WE will be the people that God always wanted in His Land, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and God's Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16
Look forward to the great time of peace and prosperity, as the Lord blesses His faithful Christian people. Romans 9:24-26

 

[BobRyan]

No, we are years away from the 42 months of Revelation 13:5.

On the contrary - that 1260 day-for-year period known as the "dark ages" is over. In Rev 13 we have the first coming of Christ - followed by his ascension into heaven, followed by 1260 years of the dark ages.

All of which have ended.

The 70 week timeline started in 457 B.C.
69 weeks - 483 days - = 483 years because all apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year. 27 AD.
70th week - 7 days = 7 years from 27 A.D. to 34 A.D.
27 A.D. - Christ is anointed for ministry as the Anointed one - at His baptism
31 A.D. - midst of the week - Christ is cut off... Crucified
32 A.D. - Gospel goes to gentiles - Stephen is killed. Saul--> Paul.

We are not even at the beginning of the 7 year 70th week.

On the contrary - the 70 weeks "day for year" timeline of Daniel 9 ended 2000 years ago just like the 70 year timeline of Jeremiah that Daniel 9:1-10 begins with - ended even before the time of Christ. And obviously - all these timelines are "Contiguous" timelines. Cannot chop up Jeremiah's 70 year prediction for the return from exile and cannot chop up Daniel 9's 490 year timeline pointing to the first coming of Christ.

It is 70 weeks of years.

Precisely.

490 days --> 490 years. Because all apocalyptic timelines use day for year.

The 70th week is 7 years.

The 1260 days is not 1260 years.

Yes it is. Both Daniel 7 and Rev 12 put that 1260 year period as the dark ages after the time of Christ and before the 2nd coming -

Rev 12 shows the Jewish nation, the first coming of Christ, His ascension into heaven, then the persecution of the saints for 1260 years - just as it happened in real history.

Rev 12
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. 4 And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
The Male Child, Christ (NASB)
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

The woman is the pure church before Christ - the Jewish nation that was faithful to God - and from them came the Christ "For salvation is of the JEWs" John 4 - -according to Christ.

And Christ is "caught up to heaven" to God's throne.. He is to rule with a rod of iron -- Rev 19.

6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

That pure woman is then the saints - the persecuted church - for 1260 years of the dark ages--

 

[BobRyan]

We are close. Russia, Turkey, Iran, Syria - right at Israel's doorstep.

Has nothing at all to do with Matthew 24 or any other text in the Bible.

 

[DaDad]

Has nothing at all to do with Matthew 24 or any other text in the Bible.

Ummmmmmm, actually, what's currently in the news appears to be taking us exactly where Prophecy expects us to be, given my perspective.

As such, you might want to brush up on Ezekiel 38 & 39, and Daniel 11:40-44, because I think it can start at any moment, -- say between now and Spring, 2019, probably closer to now.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[iamlamad]

Revelation is not predicting the birth of Jesus in Rev 12 - it is drawing a sequence - starting with Israel before the birth of Christ then going to the time of Christ, his ascension into heaven, the 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints that followed ... All of those Rev 12 events are "history" for the modern day reader.

All the events predicted in the OT happened in Christ's day or apply to the church age if they are events being predicted after the coming of Christ.

Nothing in the OT says the Messiah would be "born twice" on Earth.

You are surely going to be shocked when you find out the 70th week begins playing out in our future!

 

[iamlamad]

Ummmmmmm, actually, what's currently in the news appears to be taking us exactly where Prophecy expects us to be, given my perspective.

As such, you might want to brush up on Ezekiel 38 & 39, and Daniel 11:40-44, because I think it can start at any moment, -- say between now and Spring, 2019, probably closer to now.

Thanks,
DaDad

Bob, I am with DaDad on this one.

 

[DaDad]

You are surely going to be shocked when you find out the 70th week begins playing out in our future!

Noooooooooooo!
If you follow the clues in Daniel 9 (and History), you can't arrive to your premise. NOTHING supports your assertion.

I can help explain what the actual text says, and what the fulfillment is, but it's not what you said.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[iamlamad]

Noooooooooooo!
If you follow the clues in Daniel 9 (and History), you can't arrive to your premise. NOTHING supports your assertion.

I can help explain what the actual text says, and what the fulfillment is, but it's not what you said.

Thanks,
DaDad

Sorry, but from your history here, your help would just confuse things. I would far rather go by the written word correctly understood.

There ARE clues there, and a gap, written in by Daniel Himself is an example.

 

[DaDad]

Sorry, but from your history here, your help would just confuse things. I would far rather go by the written word correctly understood.

There ARE clues there, and a gap, written in by Daniel Himself is an example.

Ummmmmmmm,:
1. Daniel 9:2 specifies "years".

2. Daniel 9:2 does not use the simple shama to perceive the prophecy of Jeremiah as though reading that book, but rather the Solomon biyn to perceive the prophecy in the BOOKS.

3. Daniel 9:25 "going forth of the word" does NOT have the inference of any edict from man, but rather an edict directly from GOD.

4. The Daniel 9:25 seven is one duration with an anointed one "coming" after that duration.

5. The Daniel 9:25-26 sixty-two weeks is a second duration with a second anointed one who is cut off after that duration.

6. The "weeks"/"week" are the inconcise Masculine gender text, which are specifically NOT 490 years.

7. The second anointed one who is cut off is not killed upon the sixty-two, but simply AFTER.

8. The destroyer does not come at the beginning, middle, or upon the end of the seventieth "week", but "shall come" AFTER the seventieth "week".

9. The seven, the sixty-two, the seventieth, and after the seventieth are chronologically connected, with NO ~2,000 year gaps.

10. This prophecy is shut up and sealed until the time of the end, which is approximate to 1948.


Honest scholars observe the clues, but can't explain how this Prophecy can be fulfilled. And both Scripture and ancient History contradict the Classical interpretation, -- which you assume is reliable.

I'm merely pointing out that what you believe is false, and I would propose that you find a better solution than their "best lie".

If you want more evidence as to the failures of the Classical interpretation, I'd be more than happy to give you multiple "warning signs" from these same commentators. Or if you want to know the TRUTH about this Prophecy, again I'm more than happy to provide sufficient guidance so that you can arrive to an understanding of exactly what this Prophecy depicts. -- And I prefer not telling you what the fulfillment is. I'd rather allow you to reach your own conclusion based upon the EVIDENCE.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Douggg]

The 70 week timeline started in 457 B.C.
69 weeks - 483 days - = 483 years because all apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year. 27 AD.
70th week - 7 days = 7 years from 27 A.D. to 34 A.D.
27 A.D. - Christ is anointed for ministry as the Anointed one - at His baptism
31 A.D. - midst of the week - Christ is cut off... Crucified
32 A.D. - Gospel goes to gentiles - Stephen is killed. Saul--> Paul.

You left out the destruction of the city and temple - which happened in 70 AD. After which, comes the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The messiah is cutoff. fulfilled
The city and temple destroyed - 70 AD. fulfilled

Next verse...27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

unfulfilled -
The prince who shall come shall confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant with many for the one week, 7years, as required by Moses in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13 on the 7 year shmita cycle.

 

[iamlamad]

Ummmmmmmm,:
1. Daniel 9:2 specifies "years".

2. Daniel 9:2 does not use the simple shama to perceive the prophecy of Jeremiah as though reading that book, but rather the Solomon biyn to perceive the prophecy in the BOOKS.

3. Daniel 9:25 "going forth of the word" does NOT have the inference of any edict from man, but rather an edict directly from GOD.

4. The Daniel 9:25 seven is one duration with an anointed one "coming" after that duration.

5. The Daniel 9:25-26 sixty-two weeks is a second duration with a second anointed one who is cut off after that duration.

6. The "weeks"/"week" are the inconcise Masculine gender text, which are specifically NOT 490 years.

7. The second anointed one who is cut off is not killed upon the sixty-two, but simply AFTER.

8. The destroyer does not come at the beginning, middle, or upon the end of the seventieth "week", but "shall come" AFTER the seventieth "week".

9. The seven, the sixty-two, the seventieth, and after the seventieth are chronologically connected, with NO ~2,000 year gaps.

10. This prophecy is shut up and sealed until the time of the end, which is approximate to 1948.


Honest scholars observe the clues, but can't explain how this Prophecy can be fulfilled. And both Scripture and ancient History contradict the Classical interpretation, -- which you assume is reliable.

I'm merely pointing out that what you believe is false, and I would propose that you find a better solution than their "best lie".

If you want more evidence as to the failures of the Classical interpretation, I'd be more than happy to give you multiple "warning signs" from these same commentators. Or if you want to know the TRUTH about this Prophecy, again I'm more than happy to provide sufficient guidance so that you can arrive to an understanding of exactly what this Prophecy depicts. -- And I prefer not telling you what the fulfillment is. I'd rather allow you to reach your own conclusion based upon the EVIDENCE.

Thanks,
DaDad

Only in your mind is the gap there false. It is there for all to see. Go ahead, don't take my word for it: READ what events come AFTER the 69 weeks but BEFORE the 70th. I did not insert those events in, DANIEL did.

 

[DaDad]

Only in your mind is the gap there false. It is there for all to see. Go ahead, don't take my word for it: READ what events come AFTER the 69 weeks but BEFORE the 70th. I did not insert those events in, DANIEL did.

Yep. The time of the end was some 50 years after the text was written, while the ink was still wet. So I guess the Millennial Kingdom has also already passed, and we're what remains of the last rebellion, -- left to perish when we collide with the sun.

... And I was hoping to finish that crossword puzzle ...

Thanks,
DaDad